Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Messica]

this question does not have to do with technique, but at 9:31 and 9:39 that has a lot of reverb right?

 

not @ u lowkey asking for a resonance question.

[Messica]

Honestly, what do you want me to say? Because I will say "You're right." if you do in fact want me to, I will. I don't disagree you aren't wrong so I don't understand what I am supposed to say like okay, I see. We can both be right, we can think and evaluate. Really, this is no personal attack on you and I did not make the post with the intention of you responding, I am not petty like. This wasn't a conspiracy, I do like you despite what you may think. Bit anyway, I get it and I understand and I am not just saying that.

C.Y and the others in the team dont have a good history just to give you some context, so dont take it against C.Y if he gets defensive.

[Messica]

LOL dude i've known this "K" for a long time, I don't have time to give random interwebz people serious attitudes for no reason. i'm sure some people might have figured there must have been something that happened beyond the thread, it's not like I was here for 2.5 years getting along just fine and then it all just started getting real tense between us because of vocals lol. It is HARD to get on my bad side.

 

what? you're focusing on the least important part of my post, that's not even a big deal. I don't do this so people can tell me I'm right and it boosts my ego, I just like finding truth in vocals, even if it means that I get proven wrong and I learn something myself. This is an objective vocals thread. I don't see why debating something has to be bad, as if agreeing to disagree on everything is what nice people do, while being assertive and argumentative automatically makes you a butthole.

 

what's wrong with thinking someone else is wrong, why do we have to both be right? why did you say Dan was wrong when he said the thing about full lyrics and mezzos? Why can't he be right too? It's because he wasn't, and you know it. I'm just not following your logic here, Judy's note was much worse than Patti's or Whitney's. Now if you still think it's right to say it was an excellent pop head voice even when it is possible to do it much better, then okay. I don't think I can convince you with anything else. 

yes but you have been on the bad side of people here

[Messica]

late responses but I am busy af

 

 

nah i think i learned my lesson from PM'ing you rofl

 

the host? I thought this was like a public thread where everyone could discuss objectively about vocals.  I thought it was like a place where people could do things together, like I don't know, have fun singing collaborations together without feeling like some "hosts" had to take charge of everything. You didn't even make this thread, you even have issues with the ACTUAL host who made it in the first place LMAO and now he and the others don't comment here. Talking to me about hosts and shit. You are just confusing me, you said we are both right and yet our ideas contradict one another. You are saying you don't disagree...but at the same time you think you are still right.

 

You asked a question. I answered it. You tried to say my comment was "irrelevant", okay whatever since you're one of the "hosts" then anything you say can't be considered a bit hostile. Then I proved that my comment was relevant. you guys jump the gun way too fast about what I'm trying to say in my comments, sorry I get a bit intense

 

no one is going out of their way to be hostile with me...that is some selective memory you have here, seeing as how your good friend called me garbage some months ago for asking her to discuss why Son Junho was a baritone. I only did that because she tried to take little jabs at me for thinking he was a tenor. Which has now been proven correct, which isn't even a big deal since it is actually very, very difficult to discern someone's voice type with the way he was singing. But again...jumped the gun too fast there, so then we had a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me explain again, something happened which you are unaware about which is why it is tense between us. You don't know if they may be rightfully on my bad side and me wrongfully on their bad side, because you don't know what happened.

 

 

it's just jargon people have for classical singing lol, it means artificially dark or artificially thick

 

My point is that its tense already so be careful ( to K, but thats what i thought he didnt know)

[Messica]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAsEFoFS0D0

 

hows her C5s at 0:35, 0:40, 1:39, 1:43, 2:10, 2:25?

 

snatchedt by her serving choreo tho

Edited November 6, 2016 by Messica

[Messica]

They aren't bad, but she could really be a lot more open and she's pushing a little bit.. I really need her to come back with a more developed technique lol

even on the opened vowels on LOVE?

 

yes, she HAS to

[Messica]

hey babe

omg did you give your wons??

[Messica]

this is old but you guy can add Kyungri to list of female idols who have sung above the 6th octave

3:03

 

thats lipped over BEG's track....

 

Im saying this as a MINE

[Messica]

Haha no problem! Why don't you try singing something like Strong Enough by Stacie Orrico? Or something within a similar range? Like Part Of Your World? 

omg Stacie Orrico

my go to for Christian jams

[Messica]

Yoo guys so Jessica might be coming to NYC for the opening of Blanc & Eclare soon in Soho.

I might not be able to go because I go to university on Long Island but my friend will.

 

So anyway I'm planning on giving her the printed version of her vocal analysis on your page (if you guys don't mind) (and btw two of the best performances are missing).

I was wondering if there's any like advice suggestions or what she can do to improve (like I want to add that to the end of it). Most importantly which is raising the soft palate/turning off the nasal sound. 

DOOOO ITT, make it a pretty letter so that she would read it.

Also probably edit it to make sure she can understand what its saying for any jargon.

 

I would actually do this if i were to meet her.

 

Tell her to practice those C5/C#5s

[Messica]

Wow! She's expanding to NYC? That's a great business decision, I really hope she's doing well.

 

Really? You're going to print it out so she can read it? Lol. Um, I am not against, but I guess it's odd if she actually reads it lol. I fixed the performance issue. Well, really, Jessica needs to work on opening her sound up more and just really remaining more open through support. She just needs to become more support conscious and really just rely on her support more. Of course, focusing on lifting her soft palate would be amazing and what not.

we need to write her a separate letter because i doubt she will know what 'lifting the soft palate' means

[Messica]

I feel you are doubting her intelligence. Jessica took lessons for many years and what you're telling me is that the concept of lifting the palate never was brought up? That's hard to believe. Also there is no other way to describe that other than that.

well thus she must be conscious of what she is trying to do.

How do you train someone to be consistent in lifting the soft palate?

 

Give her exercises?

Listening to her, how strongly do you think she knows the concept of lifting the soft palate?

How aware do you think she is when she does it?

 

We can tell that Taeyeon is very aware of what she is doing and what she needs to fix. How can we do the same for Jessica?

[Messica]

"lift the thing that thingy hangs off of in your mouth" 

id just give her a link of her best high notes and tell her to keep doing that. Whatever she felt physiologically, try to mimic that sensation over and over again during practice

[Messica]

Its probably impossible to remember how she felt singing years ago, I'm confident she could understand her analysis.

 

I think sometimes people just have to be reminded improvement is possible.

Speaking on that, we should also encourage her and that its never too late to improve as she has shown that she has improved before.

The thing is i realised that Jessica (her being trained) knows how to familiarize healthy vocal sensations with a sound. 

She would easily recognize "Oh I actually sound better, since ive done those several times before I think I now have a clearer understanding of what I need to do".

 

That she she pretty much needs to work on consistency with lifting her soft palate and supporting her C5s and C#5s would be enough to get her to reach above average, which pretty much guarantees her as a very respected vocalist putting her under the same level as people she is quite familiar with like Yesung, Jaejoong, Dana, Sunye and Minkyung on a subjective technical scale.

[Messica]

Says the person who doesn't understand how to spell a name.

*checks your username history

[Messica]

Says the girl who spells it differently in every social media she got.

[Messica]

 

 

for some reason I think Yenny sounds like Sohyang at 4:50 (tone wise) 

i hear it LOOL

[Messica]

AhMin and K, have you guys ever tried to support/resonate higher than your supported range using helium balloons?

AhMin and K, have you guys ever tried to support/resonate higher than your supported range using helium balloons?

[Messica]

Taeyeon who?! Ailee?! (jk love you girls)

this fuckery!The battle starts with Eb5 LOL im dying these girls just slayed my existence. 

 

thank you for sharing this

[Messica]

 

 

eunji, 1:41 -  resonant, 4:35 - strained:

the first note had a bell like kind of quality and sounded relaxed but it sounded like it faltered a bit at the start and at the end.

second note i head throatiness, like i heard a little scratchy thing, but it doesn't sound squeezed or tight to me.

tiffany - strained:

it sounds shouted to me, but i also know that i tend to have trouble differentiating between what is being caused by a singer's voice and what's being caused by the tech that they're using

chen - strained:

he sounds like he's pushing really hard to get projection in his voice.

baek yerin - supported

this one im also pretty unsure about. like it didn't sound strained to me but it also didn't sound resonant? it didn't have the same bell quality that eunji's first note had.

 

 

 

1:41 resonant B4 very round, relaxed and opened sound

4:35 strained E5 strained, high larynx

2:51 strained D5 strained, shouty, high larynx. very tight

3:09 supported A4-Bb4 relaxed but could be more opened

0:45 supported C#5. It was definirely supported. Just lacked the openness and her throat shaping was not optimal but it was relaxed enough.

 

 

[Messica]

 

4 people asked about this so I'm going to copy-paste. lol Y'all need to wait until I reply to one person and check the comment section lol

She is using a better approach and fuller, she is lowering her larynx here and there and I don't recommend that. 1:12 and 1:14 those C#5's weren't bad at all! They have support. 1:22 strained E5's, down to a throaty Bb4 because of the closed aye vowel. 1:29 not bad on the C#5, but strained on the E5. She has a couple of other strained E5's here and there throughout the performance. 2:04 closed throat C#5, pushed. 2:18 F#5 strained, followed by a sloppy run. The E5's prior were also pretty tight.

0:16 slightly tight on the Mamamoo song, it was D5 I believe. I have some issues with her general openness and the way she shapes her vocal tract. It could be more natural but I feel like there's a bit of obstruction on her glottal area. But this isn't anything new. These performances don't show anything new. She sounds somewhat supported, lacks fulness, lacks openness, has some inconsistencies with her throat shape, larynx position and stuff. 1:38 F5 to Eb5, tight very tight.

 

is her fullness in the first performance due to more chest in her mix or more forward placement/consistent support or both?

[Messica]

Kind of both

thanks

 

Anybody looking for a Korean bass? Here you go.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6dMkxsnTLA

ooh yess indeed

[Messica]

is she a mezzo?

 

 

welp maybe not, her upper register really sounds like a soprano

Edited February 18, 2017 by Messica

[Messica]

Wendy's vocal teacher talks about Wendy as a trainee and that she used to push so much because she wanted to debut so badly and that he told her to just use her head voice. I guess thats why she has a nice head voice too i guess.

 

starts at 7:00

 

[Messica]

Isn't vocally challenging but still requires skill? Think Rain by TaeYeon, Love and Affection by SeoHyun something that isn't overly difficult, but still requires you to sing. Also how you write great affects it's difficulty level, not the range it self. Because Gee and Can You Hear Me have the same range of A3-Eb5 y'see lol? What are you going for style wise? Like do you have any songs that you have in mind that I can sort of base things off?

Love and affection is a shower song LOVE IT!