Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Chungie]

LOL

but as jiyul said, sHe flubs above C5. That's actually quite Nice of you.

But I don't get how SEO and sica have a "roasted bitter" quality. Is that meant to say rough, unrefined?

please extrapolate.

Minkyung is alright not mediocre.

When did I say Seo has roasted bitter quality? If you read my comment I said "Seo's the same" after  the Minkyung comment i.e I find Seo's voice curdled as well.

 

Sica has the roasted quality to her voice, listen to her voice in songs like The Boys or My Lifestyle.

[Chungie]

Oh yeah, Minkyung is 3rd Class Ok~....but wouldn't BoA also be OK then, or 'Alright' since she is above MinKyung.

Jessica's voice is like a cold tea with not a lot of sugar, but has a healthy amount of honey~

BoA is alright. She isn't mediocre really. She's like lower 2nd tier.

 

Her voice is so not cold. It's warm.

 

 

my name is Matheus, not matthew <3

 

srsly let's really just stop with the 3rd class 1st class thing, it's just confusing... 

PREACH! Aly stop with it already.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Shinagawa

[Chungie]

There's no difference. Just  Fany's tone makes her nasality sound like that. Nasality's basically the same.

 

That guy, SG Wannabe's Kim Jo Han is Taeyeon's current coach from my knowledge.

Edited August 8, 2013 by Shinagawa

[Chungie]

That guy's Kim Jin Ho. So nvm.

[Chungie]

Y'all need to shut up with the class system. It's effing annoying now.

 

And The One "took" Taeyeon under him. SME didn't make him teach Taeyeon.

[Chungie]

someone asked. What would you like us to do about it next time someone asks

Tell them how good they are and elaborate on the technique. No need for the useless class system. This is vocals not a RPG.

[Chungie]

 

jsuk. when they say she doesn't have a lower range, it's an exaggeration to a point LOL it's not like woops A3, voice stops working, but the voice gets unsupported, the cords are poorly connected and the sound is muffled and quiet.. I mean I get that hey Amber is obviously a lesbian so she must be a low voiced singer LOL but she aint. lol I've heard her singing F#3's and G3's and they were pretty weak...

 

he saw in her what we all see in her but then. life happened and UGH IKR. I mean it's understandable but it's also so stupid.. lol 

 

yes, it's just D.O. tends to be the healthiest because he strains on C5, but he doesn't try to sing higher, whereas Chen and Baekhyun think it's cute to sing E5's and above in mix with a larynx up in heavens. But overall they're all the same.. lol 

 

two things. I'm not good at determining voice types, but would Jeon Soyoung be considered a mezzo? Her voice does get quiet down low, F3 sounds great, but below it's quiet but still sounds connected in a way BUT MY ACTUAL second question is. Above G#5, u included exclamations as notes, would that be considered fair? I personally don't consider exclamations or screams in vocal ranges (except in Jessica's video which was for fun but not in her range really), so why'd you include those?

 

It's not understandable, it's plain stupid.

 

Well Jeon Sooyoung is a Lyric Mezzo. And her exclamations weren't screamed out. I personally wouldn't count them but they are passable in comparison to the G6 and G#6 by Hyorin and Sunny which were both screamed.

[Chungie]

You people never let me have any fun >.>

Well this isn't a game thread.

 

I mean they did sound like notes, no doubt, but I just don't count exclamations as a range...and it's understandable because RPG makes it fun LOL but like it's also stupid...

Her exclamations were in her ran ge though.

 

Does Hyorin have a good lower register?

One of the best among female idols.

[Chungie]

 

tbh I would like to address this.

 

This is not an RPG, this is not a personal thread for all of us to have fun, we're here to analyze and give good examples of vocalists, not to always discuss Jessica. When Jessica achieves open throat, when she has control of dynamics, when she actually show a head voice, sure come and show, but otherwise, let's just stop it. I ain't mentioning names, but y'all know who you are.

 

As for the classes thing, I would like it if you consider yourself a vocal specialist at all, or a leaner, to be keen on specifics. It's much more than just high notes, it's more than range. I mean seriously, y'all be loving that Taeyeon performance where she sang Oh Holy Night, I get it, our baby was sick but she resonated E5, big shit, cuz she was flat and pitchy throughout the whole performance. I don't see anybody commenting on that, which is an important vocal factor. It's more than just, she has a stable larynx above that note, she can resonate there. If she's mask placing her voice, it doesn't matter how high it goes, some people don't have high ranges, but can be very good vocalists overall, and develop their ranges with time. Let's stop with the classifications, Tier 1 2 and 3 make sense, they're average, above average, weak, capable, good or bad vocalists (my own personal terms), that all makes sense. It doesn't matter how much better than another average vocalist Jessica is, she's still average as fuck. We can say why exactly she's better, but bitch ain't "1st Class Mediocre" .. whatever. From Sunny to BoA, they're all pretty average vocalists, pretty much most vocalists sound like that, that's not just Korea, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry, Rihanna, all them bitches would fall under that category too. (excuse my ghetto talk) Below Sunny, Soyu, Krystal, Minah, are all weak vocalists, they're below average, and above average are those who stand out but aren't really bam in your face. It's an obvious difference, now within their own group, fuck it who's better 1st class, second class or third, they're still not good anyway.

 

I would like it if we just really concentrate on being professional here more than being all fandom-y, not always but mostly, because it's driving many of us away and some people need to really take a second look on their attitude and the way they might consider themselves superior. Be humble and patient with questions and answer them throughoutly, not arrogantly. 

 

 

Yeah because they weren't strained, but they weren't sung either, I meant.

 

 

My points exactly. Bring up Jessica when she does something good. Don't bring her up all the time. It's annoying.

 

Well she can sing them. But I meant unlike the Hyorin/Sunny exclamations it wasn't screamed. I don't consider screams as a part of range.

who has the best F#5 (in mixed v) among taeyeon, luna, hyorin and eunji?

Prolly Luna,

[Chungie]

What I find funny is that people say SME is only looks no talent and YGE is only talents. In reality? SME has some of the best vocalists in idol  industry whereas YGE has  some of the worst. Big Mama don't count as they were no longer under YGE when they disbanded. And Gummy's the only exception to this because she's good.

Edited August 10, 2013 by Shinagawa

[Chungie]

and Gummy's contract expired and rumors are floating around that she wants to sign with another company. (I don't blame her, YG did near nothing with her for the past few years.)

I hope so. She can sing well. She needs more promotion.

[Chungie]

Hmm but does it make any difference when performing? She's never out of air or struggling. I think she sounds just as good as, if not better than, Haeri when not belting.

Minkyung has never sung on Haeri level. I made Haeri VR video and she's barely nasal which means a good placement. And she sings open throated a lot of times as well. She rarely strains. Her tessitura is upto E5s but she can sing open throated F5s too. Minkyung on the other hand is quite nasal.

[Chungie]

I see. But Minkyung plays a supportive role so I don't get how it hurts their performance.

 

Makes sense

 

Yeah but how does nasality matter during performances? I can't notice anything wrong with Minkyung's singing. Her performance level doesn't drop.

 

Basically nasality means one is not open throated. Also Minkyung strains a lot. She's not bad nor mediocre. She's alright but her and Haeri has a huge difference.

[Chungie]

Hmm... but the question was how it affects the performance.

 

She always sounds great, even if it's supposedly nasal.

Luna probably did well vocally on that performance but it wasn't anything special anyway, IMO.

Nasality is a technical fault, it means no resonance. Intentional nasality is okay. Unintentional is not. Nasality means the placement is not proper and it also means one is not fully open throated. It affects a performance's technical level.

[Chungie]

But doesn't do much in terms of sound?

Read the OP you'll understand the difference between an ideal tone and a nasal/not fully open throated tone. An ideally placed resonant vocal will always drown out the non-resonant sound.

[Chungie]

I did... so the only real difference is power? And that it can be more difficult to hit the right note if you sing nasally?

I don't think I've ever noticed Minkyung missing a note... So as long as you know how to handle it nasality isn't and issue?

 

Also why would you bash Sunny so much in the OP? She's a very good singer IMO. In my top 2 in SNSD...

Note: not vocalist, but I'm sure she's not one of the worst there either...

Sorry but Minkyung's sense of pitch is not that good. I've heard her go sharp/flat a lot.

 

It's not bashing. Bashing = "Sunny sucks" without any explanation on how she sucks.

[Chungie]

Tom _/ pls Lee Hi IS NOT better than Bohyung FYI. You really needs to stop saying shits tbh

[Chungie]

I think in Bom's case, unless you can post an instance where she sings in legato, ppl here are just going to assume it isn't happening. (Chung, do you follow 2ne1 closely enough to be able to notice if it were to happen? XD)

She was horrible during ILY comeback. And I haven't been able to watch their FIL and DYLM lives. She was clearly better in her pre debut though.

[Chungie]

How was she in her predebut days? Mediocre or slightly below that?

 

Bad.

What's the lowest note in that performance?  (Or what is it supposed to be/what did he actually achieve?)

 

I was gonna say at some point that Badman is a terrible song performance-wise for Daehyun, 'cause it goes both high (F5) and low (A#2), and his first verse in Crash (which went to maybe D3) wasn't that hot during lives... but I'm hoping that they are somehow getting sleep during this promo period (hah!) and they'll produce something reasonable for evaluation on a radio show.

 

(So is that 2 octaves, 4 notes, and a semitone, or...?)

 

(I once lulzed at Daesung apparently not being able to go below D3 or C3, BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT REALLY UNCOMMON.  99% of kpop idols suck, exhibit 123893429871.)

 

You "haven't been able"... like, you haven't had the chance, or is it more like the body is able but the spirit is not willing? XD

Too busy for things like this. And really  2NE1 lives aren't worth the time in my hectic schedule.

[Chungie]

Y'all need some _/  Luna and Hyorin are like on same level. But both are CLEARLY better than Taeyeon. Accept it.

[Chungie]

have you done MinKyung or Haeri yet?

I did Haeri. Aly wanted to do Minkyung but scrapped it.

[Chungie]

I'm not sure. It sounded full, it didn't sound strained to me. I was seriously trying not to be biased towards her as possible. That high note (I think its an F#5) at 0:56 sounded quite nice and full.

Oh wait yeah, I think my ears are lying. It doesn't sound any better than Jessica's less tensed (still quite tensed) F#5. Yep, yep she's mediocre. But she seems more okay but no resonance. Like I'd put her at YeEun/BoA/minkyung okay.

 

Filipinos are some of the most proud people. There's even a common OPINION by non whites that generally Filipinos can sing better than most races. Its overhyped to be honest. I just headed a B4 next to my friends while waiting, and then they told me,to join effing xfactor. I'm like WTF, I'm really bad for a tenor, I mean I struggle with simple mix notes. They were serious. at youth worship, i belted a F#4 inbthe crowd where my voice can be heard by only a few (from background noise) and then they want me to sing in stage because they thought all filipinos can sing.Im like hell no. But also with the charice vs ailee, it was really unwarranted for them to compare a mezzo soprano and a soprano for really low notes for females.

Charice is actually not mediocre. She's alright.

 

Every Filipino divas except for Lea Salonga are overrated. Regine's terrible, that Sarah girl is bad, same with Jonalyn etc. They seem to think that belting notes with heaven-high larynx is "power". Like hell to the naw!

[Chungie]

coughcoughtiffanycoughcough. But yes, our vocals are overrated. What about that Kris girl?

 

so was I right about how okay she was?

Tiffany? Kris... the one Sica follows? Bad.

 

Yes, kinda.

[Chungie]

sica follows Kris?

Yes.

Well it's not that you have to whistle or you'll hurt yourself, I believe it's just head voice doesn't really exist beyond a certain point

 

and honestly I've met musical singers and one opera singer before and all of them recommended me to get a (good) teacher because they can see and hear things that you can't so I'm going to take their word for it. The vocal teacher (she's a classical singer) who's house my family is buying didn't explicitly say anything about having to have a teacher, but basically told me I have to be careful if I'm self learning and if I feel tension or something does not feel right to stop.

Using falsettos that high is unhealthy. So if you can't access whistle note, it's better to not go that high.

[Chungie]

Lea Michele is like Ailee-good. Resonant below E5s like Ailee and inconsistency above E5s. Though her lower range is better than Ailee's. Ailee has the agility though. She has no musicianship though.

by follow you mean Jessica tries to follow her technique?

 

Sica listens to her music and follows her.