Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Messica]

Hello Guys. I have been reading this thread for some time now. Thanks for being informative.

I just wanted to know, how would rank  Sistar's Soyu, fx's krystal, 4minute's Jiyoon, Gayoon and Miss A's Fei and Suzy. 

soyu>Fei>Krystal/Suzy (take this with a grain of salt)>Gayoon>Jiyoon

[Messica]

No.

 

This chart is sooo biased based. An really has nothing to do with technique but what that person perceives as better.

 

The fact they pretty much just kept the template of mine and just edited a few things is proof of that.

 

What makes ock joohyun better then Sohyang? On a technical level speaking not like Ock and So are far apart but there are few differences that makes Sohyang more skilled then Ock.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

OMG Horribly inaccurate list.

 

Why dafuq is Joohyun above Sohyang? Joohyun's great, but Sohyang's still better. Sunye above Sica? WTF! And Jo Hyun-ah above Ailee? WTF

I know that Joohyun is great. I know shes the best veteran singer in Korea, but still why is she above Sohyang?

 

I know im biased as hell towards Jessica, But I was like WTF? Sunye>>>>Jessica. Im glad younghyun is in it. But Jea isnt that close to Ailee tbh. I think shes gotten worse over the years.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

He's good until a G#4 and he knows his comfort zone and doesn't really do anything outside of it. Zhx told me he has a couple of resonant F#4s, that means he's decent. I haven't heard much of him, but he's decentish.

 

 

Definitely D.O, he's been open throated, resonant and kept tonality on some belts.

 

 

 

Nice. He did well, some resonant moments, pitch was nice, there were some parts where he wasn't open throated, but healthy (but that was out of his comfort zone).

 

Fei > Suzy/Min > Soyu > Krsystal > Gayoon > Jiyoon

 

Fei is better than Tiffany, Suzy and Min are around Tiffany's level (possibly better). Therefore they are average. Soyu is quite an airy singer and lacks proper support, so she's below average; Krystal is also below average and Gayoon and Jiyoon are screechers with very bad support.

 

A very huge grain of salt.

 

 

Ga In knows her limits and doesn't really belt very often. She's a crooner, like the others have said, the best person to judge her would be Josias because he's a huge BEG stan. But, I wouldn't be surprised if she has improved.

wtf was I on putting miss a below soyu?

[Messica]

D.O. <3 unfortunately lol 

 

 

the naming is cute lol but wtf Navi shud not be even close to as high as she is, where'd u find this lol 

 

 

she's in Tier 2 bby <3

 

 

no he means that that person perceives nasality and nasal to be difference vocal aspects... his english makes him confuse nasal, which really is mask resonance, and nasality which is being nasal or singing nasally... either way, gimme a moment and I'll listen to ur video

 

 

*sigh* kongwee, I told you. It's called mask, and I'm only pop centered, not classical, so please stop saying this is classical because I'm definitely not.

 

 

LOL 

 

 

 

 

am I like half half. LOL

 

 

sounds good to me :3

 

 

not exactly..  a crooner is someone like an acoustic vocalist who might be able to practice and sing higher, but prefer to stay in a lower range and sing yknow smoothly, jazz singers and such.... not someone who isn't good at belting so is automatically called a crooner.. It's someone who sings ina style that doesn't require belting and where she doesn't belt. Soyeon could pull it off, but it's not what she is atm.

 

I can't find the thread, but there was a thread this morning (sorry trying to adjust to LA time from Sydney time)

http://onehallyu.com/index.php?/topic/24074-what-do-you-think-of-this-female-vocal-ranking/

 

It apparently originated from kayo forum

[Messica]

I'm inclined to believe 3:33 might be. 3:24 though, too much reverb, I can't tell.

*Sigh* DB5K > SHINee > Super Junior (All 14/15) > EXO-K > EXO-M

Even if Yoochun drags DBSK down, Yunho > Key, Yoochun > Minho. Jaejoong and Changmin are lower Tier 2 vocalists, Junsu being superior in skill only in some aspects, the proximity is clear... Jonghyun and Taemin also are sorta even... Onew being the weakest one alongside Changmin here, they're pretty much sorta even with DBSK leading a bit. And all the suck-ish vocalists in SuJu drag the whole group down. 

I wouldn't say he's good, he doesn't do anything anything impressive. He's like Paul McCartney, yknow, a songwriter who sings, as opposed to a vocalist. 

 

I wonder who.. 

Isnt it that Changmin is about Onew's level or less? I dont think hes 2nd tier yet. Maybe like Seohyun's level, like slightly worse than Jessica, but hes definitely better than Key. I heard that he and Changmin are the same level, but I doubt that.

 

Apparently lts [look at quote] . I have know clue who that person is and ive never been to that kpop forum.

 

 

 

it's Riley's ranking from kayoforum.com

 

 

 

I'm sure it is SHINee>DBSK, because SHINee has both TaeMin and JongHyun, TaeMin is like Decent and JongHyun like Ok or Decent, TaeMin is probs a little less than Junsu(not by much though), JongHyun is better than JaeJoong, Onew is better than Changmin(I'm pretty sure) Key is Key, I think he is pretty thsn YunHo..and y'know Minho...lol So yeah. SHINee>DBSK. Tbqh, I think DBSK Yoochun is worse than Suju's worse, considering how someone told me SNSD's dance line>>YooChun. And y'know KRY>Junsu>JaeJoong, but then SuJu kind of just flutters, I don't know how the other vocalist would rank compared to the others, there's just TOO many of them, it's REALLY hard to compare them fairly. The other vocalist would SungMin and Donghae(?),I know they are both less than Jessica,SeoHyun,Onew...but I don't really know WHERE they are I think Sungmin is better than Sunny ? Donghae is less than her ?, and apparently Zhou Mi is above Jessca,SeoHyun,Onew...sooo. Super juinor is hard to rank amongst the other groups.

Zhoumi is definitely 2nd tier, like just. And I think Ahmin told us that SNSD dance line>>Yoochun.

 

So the SM ranking is

 

Kyuhyun > Lina> Ryeowook > Taeyeon > Junsu />Yesung > Luna > Dana > Taemin > Jonghyun > D.O. > Jaejoong > Zhoumi/Sunday > BoA/> Chen > Baekhyun > Jessica /> Seohyun/Onew/ Luhan >  Stephanie > Sungmin > Changmin > Yunho/Henry/Key > Tiffany/Sunny/> Donghae > Krystal > Kangin> Sooyoung/Yuri > LeeTeuk > Siwon > YoonA/>Hyoyeon > EunHyuk > Sulli > Victoria > YooChun > Minho

 

Is this correct? Someone dont forget to add the other EXO members.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

No I'm sorry Changmin is like lower Tier 2 or upper tier 3 going into 2, but definitely above Jessica/Seohyun and no that was Drew who said that. I don't think Zhoumi is Tier 2, to me he's kinda tier2/3 area... I won't comment on that big ass comparison but uhm no, Eunhyuk, Sulli and Victoria are most definitely not better than Yoochun... yknow comparing men and women is really hard, including men with different voice types against one another... Luhan is not even close to Seohyun/Jessica and Onew is better than they are.. Changmin is most definitely NOT below Sungmin, Key is hardly better than Tiffany/Sunny.. Krystal isn't exactly better than Kangin either...even Eeteuk is better than Krystal... Siwon is more even with Krystal... I will just stop talking this is too much. It's easy to compare vocalist because they have obvious qualities but comparing non-vocalists makes it so. so. hard. I won't correct it because I'm just personally against this comparison.. but there are so many mistakes in there.. 

thank you. So who is in the tier 2/3 Area?

[Messica]

Nicole is not a human being. It's official.

[Messica]

I don't even know what a run is lol. Thanks for attempting to answer, though! It sounds accurate~

a run is a melisma.

Its a rapid change and transition of notes. Its an ornamental device. 

Forexample, when Beyonce goes OOOooOOoooOhHhh etc. Queen bey is the queen of vocal runs. IMO

 

Edited September 25, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

I don't remember.. lemme just tell you again, a solo or a live performance usually helps more, but it's okay cuz I know her somewhat.. she isn't bad, she has her problems here and there, some gritty moments (also the whole PCD drama) but overall she has pretty nice control and is resonant, controlled....sometimes gets throaty and raspy from what I've heard, but has a lovely head voice and a very nice range overall.. I'd say she is a good vocalist, if not good, then a very capable one. But I'd say she's good. 

 

Sorry, I don't mean to be mean nor make you feel bad, but that's just so confusing and messy to me >_< who's in that area? I'd say Onew, Jaejoong, Changmin, BoA, Chen, Baekhyun, D.O. and Sunday area, they're either in between, or in upper Tier 3, or in the lower Tier 2 touching the Tier 3 line.. I would even go as to far as to say Zhoumi could be there too, but he's still prolly Tier 3.. except for the ones I just mentioned, everybody below BoA in the line u put is in the Tier 3

Its fine, im learning from you as my Ssaem, so I gladly take any advice and criticism. So Zhoumi is about Jessica's level since theyre both upper 3rd tier?

[Messica]

I'll act like I know what a melisma is and go with it.

Oh lord, runs sound beautiful~

This is even more beautiful

[Messica]

Zhoumi could be more or less even with Onew, and I personally consider onew to be better than Jessica and Seohyun since he's less pitchy and less nasal and a bit more consistent in his healthy notes... I'd say Zhoumi is about the same...and Seohyun and Jessica are upper Tier 3, but not quite touching the bar... lol cute usage of the word Ssaem <3 lol 

 

did you watch the video LOL

 

People tend to love runs and high long notes. Apparently they think that makes one a good singer. In my school some black guys like to sing adding runs to every line they sing and it annoys me because I can't enjoy the song since it's a run-fest instead of an actual sincere melody, you feel me? lol I like runs when they are tasty, yknow adding to the song, instead of taking away from the music. Also you gotta be able to do them accurately in pitch and precision.

Really? I find it the opposite as I find onew as less consistent and hes just as nasal. His head voice is beautiful, but his falsetto is more pitchy and isnt as smooth as Jessica's or Seohyun. But thats just me. If I were to make a compilation of healthy notes, Onew would probably get 1:30 or 2 minutes max. Where as Jessica, I could actually get a length of a song. At least 2:15 seconds to about 3 minutes max or perhaps more as the tour progresses. Jessica recently is getting closer to touching the bar. Wait till their comeback, she could probably pull another decent note. (LOL im reaching)

 

I hate it when people try to make a song out of melismas like STFU. Its an vocal ornamental device, ITS NOT THE SONG, ITS NOT THE CHORUS. At our school's talent night, this chick was making too many discorded nasal ass runs and I was about to tell her to sit down. If she wasnt in Yr 7 I wouldnt have told her off. Plus I would be killed because apparently people find that amazing.

[Messica]

shouldn't that be 4/15 for suju? it seems like Zhoumi is considered above SicSeo, so it seems unfair leaving him out. doesn't really change the overall rank you did if it's just vocalist/total nomber of members since 3/9 still>4/15, but it might if you'd take comparing TaeSicSeo to KRYZ into it too ^^ (not that it matters much, i just think it's unfortunate for Zhoumi that he's always forgotten, even when people do count suju as 15...)

IMO zhoumi is rather SicSeo level. Imma bring the math.

3/9=33.3%  4/15 = 26.6%

 

33%>27%

 

therefore soshi > SUJU

LOL, im just using a stupid argument.

[Messica]

@Bringtheshitsout

 

I watched the first 30 seconds and had to stop. I'm tired af, I'll finish the whole 11 minutes tomorrow~

 

 

I have no clue what a G5, L7, LG3, Z2, F(x), etc. is 

 

Well maybe you should teach em' how to do it. 

qurl that was mean af. LOL I know you kidding.

 

I just watch for first two minute. Beyonce is better in running notes.

LOL

I wanna see Josias' opinion on this.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

well he's suju-m, so counting him in K-Pop is hard...he could potentially be around the same as SicSeo but he's still not terrible lol

 

Oh is that so? I hope they're better vocally than 2PM and I hope this boy learned how to control his voice better ^ ^ His voice is pretty <3

 

LOL Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si Do, C D E F G A B C, those are notes lol I posted the videos for nicole, didnt you watch? lol It has the name of the notes as she hits them lol G5 is a note lol , it's a G in the fifth octave of a piano lol and uh I'm not good at runs, I barely ever do runs cuz I lack pitch accuracy for that, but at least Ik that. LOL

 

Sorry, I will admit I forget she exists quite often. Her voice isn't my cup of tea, to me she's an above average vocalist, not bad, I have very few songs with her singing...her tone is very unique, like Park Bom unique, but she has decent control of it~

 

Well I don't personally remember his falsetto being used much...it's used more than Jessica's and Seohyun's and for that, more in tune but not a great amount overall.. it's not a note or 2 or 10 decent healthy notes that will make her touch the bar, it's consistency within one single performance... LOL but yes ppl go like WOW PREACH DAMN U DO THAT RUN GIRL. and I'm like. k.

People were like standing and clappin and im like.

 

But dw hun, Jessica will be consistently okay in their next comeback. Please anticipate.

[Messica]

Lol im just gonna keep calling Ahmin "Ssaem" now.

[Messica]

Did he lie tho?

 

the only members that show some sort of musicianship is JeTi.

[Messica]

I've found a chart on a social forum:

I actually quite like this ranking a lot more accurate than the one a few pages ago. My only problem is that eunjung is wayy to low. She should be around Sunny's or soyu's level, and jooyi should be closer to sunye Edited September 25, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Not really. Sunye has been resonant. So she's still way better.

 

 

 

 

That's very accurate except for here and there.

but jooyi and sunye are both decent-okay tho. And Jooyi has been resonant too.

[Messica]

You Raise Me Up. C5s.

 

 

Where? Also Jooyi is like Narsha okay.

IIRC she was resonant in her rihanna-stay cover. Edited September 25, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Taeyeon zero musicality? What do you think?

Taeyeon just karaokes and does pretty much exact covers.

Oh LOLOL

 

Bohyung is placed too low. Dana should be higher (Around Sunye/Luna/Eunji area). Soyeon is better than Sunny. etc.

Eunjung should not be below raina. She's like Sunny's/Soyu's level. Yeah bohyung is more like Narsha/Jimin ok tho.

 

But as with Raina, IIRC I think she was resonant and consistently healthy. Her E4 was resonant, and I think she resonated A4 and G4 IIRC. Narsha isnt as often as resonant.

[Messica]

Everyone time someone tries to do math to make it seem like one group is above another I just shake my head. Somehow a ratio makes a decent argument. LOL That's never been a rational argument because it ignores so many things and makes a conclusion that at the end of the day, doesn't say much.

 

Like 3/5 is better than 5/10. The fact is you have 5 singers better than 3. Ratio my ass to be honest. It has always been a fail argument. Focus on the substantive issues whether it's singing or whatever.

 

Lol I even said myself that I was using a silly argument.

*coughs* I am from the neighbouring country (and territorial enemy *coughs* #Don'tHateMe

 

 

Jaejoong has resonated and Chen hasn't....so....

thanks boo. Jaejoong and Chen are both tier 2/3 vocalists right. Like they're just around the line.

i tried to follow the SM vocalists comparison convo that was running but i've lost track lol

 

anw to whoever said that Yoona and Hyoyeon are better than Eunhyuk, you should reconsider

 

 

they definetely are not, not that it really matters

 

 

 

as for Sungmin, i really find his position in all of this to be confusing, i have yet to see someone give a proper analyse of his vocals using recent performances and i dont remember anyone posting videos about him, asking and geting answers

 

if anyone is interested

 

 

 

 

these were from last year

 

and this is from 2 months ago

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0MqhZhqkiQ

 

 

come on now guys, he can't be below Sunny and Tiffany  -_-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anw i find the comparison to be really wierd, how can you count the vocalists per group when those vocalists are in different tiers to begin with. i mean you can't really compare TaeSeosica to KRY because only Tae is in the same tier as KRY etc

 

 

 

 

 

SJ are not 13 or 15, SJ are 11 or 13. Hangeng and Kibum are not members of SJ anymore and people still count them just to bring the average talent of the group down. if you are gonna leave Zhoumi and Henry out then SJ have 4 legit vocalists aka KRYS and if you are gonna count them then they have 5 aka KRYZS

no one ranked sungmin below sunny.

[Messica]

OMG, my friend has been doing singing lessons for 5 years and she's still sooo nasal and pitchy. She doesnt even know what lifting the soft palate is. OTL

Plus she did music in her final year of music and her for her major assessment was her singing and she is marked by a strict government board music markers. If technique is on the criteria, shes doomed. She can deliver tho.

I need to have a talk with her teacher.

[Messica]

try VIXX, I think Leo and Ken are decent too, esp Leo, he's far from good but he has a potential to be good I think.

Yeah Chen doesnt really have any intonation issue and he doesnt strain either.

lol it's been a while since I talked about vocal things, I've forgotten all the terminology that I've learned back then on akp's vocal thread.

hes consistently healthy up to A4 He's like tier 2/3. Edited September 26, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

 

lol at will.i.am praying for an exorcism to calm fergie's larynx