Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Messica]

Seohyun and Jessica are not okayish they're just average, mediocre vocalists.

 

BoA has quite a few moments where she has raised her soft-palate and opened her throat, tyvm. FYI having one moment where you are singing with an open-throat doesn't make you an above average vocalist, there are a lot of other vocalists involved in it, too. I'm pretty sure Minkyung has had quite a few open-throated, supported notes, also she's got an OK E5 that has a stable larynx and a raised soft-palate. Yerin has got notes where her soft-palate was raised.

ok, thank you very much. But yerin's case should he mediocre, because Jessica has sung quite a few notes and songs where she has a raised soft palate.

 

also, how can you tell if these open throated and supported moments are not flukes?

[Messica]

Jessica's only done that once or twice.

 

Because it's regularish.

so there's the bomnal live one, the AMLIFY one and I remember ahmin saying her palate was raised in all I want for Christmas is you, and someone else said the same for heaven and then I think one RDR perf or the recent forever perf.

 

But then these are all decent notes. So someone must be consistent in doing decent notes to be an okay vocalist, and that consistency in okay notes are not enough?

[Messica]

Wait...Jessica's been open-throat once or twice ? But nope, I was talking about risen soft palate..which she has done a couple of times..not enough though lol.

 

CONSISTENCY IS EVERYTHING !!

Soz guys, thought he said open throated. I'm getting a bit confuzzled and tired today.

 

Yeah, you have to be consistent. You should be able to do these things consistently, not once in a year.

 

Probably Josias or AhMin.

so consistency in decent notes?so same goes for decent vocalists that they need to be consistently producing good notes?

 

also jiyul, you forgot Bomnal. Because of akisame I'm starting to get confused why u say Jessica is top mediocre when she isn't even close to minkyung or yerin. Is it basically because she's starting to get more consistent in producing okay notes?

 

@akisame: What? SHE OPEN THROATED BEFORE?

[Messica]

When was this ?

 

CAN I GET AN AMEN !!

AMEN!!

our queen needs to read this forum because her consistency sucks.

Josias said he resonated a B4, and I've heard AhMin resonate a G#4.

I remember reading a convo between them and tl;dr, they're about even.

I've yet to hear josias, but I really love ahmim's singing.

 

Love u qurl.

[Messica]

Oh OK. Can you link it to me, I want to listen (some day).

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1vgrNjgFIpR

 

@2:42

 

its quite a miracle and rarity for her that I sleep to it.

Edited September 22, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Made the new audio for nothing....

what? A new one? What do you mean?

Bomnal ? When did she sing that song..isn't that the SeoHyun and Yonghwa song ? Well, she;s at the top, because she's better than the ones below her, but she is below MinKyung and Yerin, because she is isn't as good as they are. She isn't even like at theee top, she below YeEun..and someone else.

 

that's banmal.

 

I'm referring to her bomnal perf that sy wrote. Its the one without yoona. @2:56

 

WAIT! Hold up! Hold up!

 

 

*coughs*

 

 

I'm so confused, my throat hurts.

your answer wasn't clear on whether consistency in producing okay notes is the bare minimum to be an okay vocalist.

also another question, for someone to be a decent vocalist they must consistent in producing good notes. Eg Taeyeon?

Edited September 22, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Bomnal ? When did she sing that song..isn't that the SeoHyun and Yonghwa song ? Well, she;s at the top, because she's better than the ones below her, but she is below MinKyung and Yerin, because she is isn't as good as they are. She isn't even like at theee top, she below YeEun..and someone else.

 

I was informed that yeeun is okay or okay-mediocre (like u said about sica which is actually false now) So in what way is she better? She open throated before? Is that 2nd person Solji from EXID?

 

on the bright side Jessica is starting to be able to do okay notes and i think lift her soft palate (wait no this bit probs wrong) every 1 or two concerts and her D5s are getting less tensed and that OST taeyeon tensed D5 was not a fluke. Her D4 to D5 in Forever in Jakarta a tad tad bit tensed and followed by an okay C5. Something tells me that she's been taking more lessons and practicing more recently. I do think she raised her soft palate more than one during her Jakarta concert. I forgot the perf. Or was it just an okay note.

[Messica]

Idk them that well but none of them is above Tier 3 so...as far as I've heard and Idk their ranges but no no no.. Tiffany, many r better than her, Boa is but she's not better than Jessica and Seohyun...Bohyung is..

 

....use your head voice? ._. you have to start on notes where u use pure head voice and just sustain it for a bit, then go down a semitone, sustain, to first start strengthening the muscles, don't jump into scale exercises yet lol

 

 

Actually IU was resonant on notes below Eb5

 

.........

 

LOLLOL

 

and I'm a baritone. LOL but it was G4, I wish G#4. No points for consistency though.

 

 

 

There'd be no good vocalists then LOL only Ailee and Lee Haeri, since SeeYa disbanded and all.

 

Actually they are not trained with 100% proper technique and they're not always just practicing singing, they do modelling and dancing, amongst other things too... it comes from everybody's own interest and learning how to sing by themselves, it's not just K-Pop, it's pop nowadays...in my school too, u'll see ppl who improve and then u see ppl who stay the same cuz they dont give 2 fucks.

 

The Seeya's main vocalist isn't bad, she has a pretty voice but I haven't accessed her like in detail..

 

 

omg Free! lol anyway nope, most pop singer are barely classically trained as far as I'm aware.

 

 

Actually, that is why many don't improve once they debut, because thereafter they're celebrities, they have hectic schedules, time to actually practice their singing is slim and they are supposed to be more public appealing than capable at singing..

Occasionally but nobody is trained to sing that unless it's gonna be their main genre

 

 

 

that's banmal LOL

 

thank you. Thanks for the tip. I was doing scale for a few weeks and its not working on my chordal strength and stability. It is good warm up tho. Edited September 22, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Aly, Layla and Bringthesnacks out Jessica was never open-throated and she has a lot of ok notes (with raised soft palate) not once or twice or 5 timed, actually enough to make a 2 or 3 minute long compilation. Now singing a whole song with no nasality that a whole different story. We have came to these conclusion thousands of times already....

we already confirmed she's not open throated before. But akisame brought it up and me and jiyul thought it was a perf we've never seen, but actually we've seen it and it was just decent but not open throat. But yes, I agree, we can make a 2-3 minute compilation on her okay notes. WE NEED TO GET STARTED ON THIS.

All her parts in All I want for Christmas is you had no nasality IIRC.

[Messica]

You are confusing me. YeEun has better B4s/C5s. *Meant to say Mediocre-Okay*

Have majority of her D5s gotten less tense ? Or are we just talking about the ONE D5 ?

Two actually. (her ost one and her forever one, I'm trying to find her less tensed dancing queen D5 tho)

But she doesn't normally go above C#5 anyway. There's only two other songs this year where she's sung above C#5, IGAB and dancing queen.

[Messica]

No... and Melanie is better~ <3 She's still Tier 3 though.. >_< better than Tiffany I'd say though lol and OMG. LOL 

 

 

what did we say about bringing Jessica up. LOL Okay it's just about being open throated, it's about consistency and keeping tonality...since most of these girls have the same voice type, it's easy to compare keeping tonality, one who can keep tonality up higher than the other one is obviously a better vocalist although that one may not be a resonant vocalist. Taking into consideration that one has good stability and intonation within the range with which they can keep the most tonality on and have better projection and placement too. These are reasons why YeEun > Jessica or Yerin > Jessica, Hyorin > Taeyeon > Luna

 

 

but yerin is better than Jessica, because although we can make a compilation of jessica's okay notes the length of a song, yerin can actually be consistently okay in a single performance.

 

I kno I shouldn't bring her up, but she's just improving this year. Akisame said yerin is okay.

[Messica]

....okay..? lol I mean as in like sure? lol I mean I've saying Yerin is like Minkyung level and Jimin is like somewhat above like IU level ._. lol

 

you just said that YeEun > Jessica or Yerin. And YeEun isn't okay yeg, she's half way.lol Edited September 22, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

No, no, he meant YeUn> Jessica YeRin>Jessica~

WTF? LOL

you guys arent making sense to me. How the hell is Jessica in there twice?

[Messica]

You're better than Tiffany and Jessica?

I didn't know Melanie was that good.

Ahmin has resonated quite the amount of times. He's like IU's level imo.

[Messica]

OH MY GOD YEEUN AND YERIN ARE BOTH BETTER THAN JESSICA !

FINALLY MAKING SENSE!!

lol

[Messica]

No no I said Yeeun > Jessica, Yerin > Jessica, not that YeEun > Yerin omfg. r u blond. LOL

 

 

Melanie is better than Tiffany but like..LOL and Yes I am sorta.. I'm a resonant vocalist consistently up until like D4 and often up until F4 I'd say, my intonation lets me down and I suck at runs tho LOL I'm okay, but I can get pitchy on them...

 

so yerin and yeeun > Jessica

[Messica]

God bless you coloraturas

 

 

 

Dominat chords by default is chord V in a major song. the 7th is the Fa of the major scale. It is a color. It is being used in jazz. Pop not that much cos F/G is being the substitute chord for V7 much often. There are many other 7th chord being. You might hear people call it jazz chord cos this is what being used often in jazz.

What is unused chord progression, example Ib7-V-II7-F7. Ib7 = flat 1st 7 chord.

Back to I-VI-G-I. It will sound pop cos it is too simple. If I do it IM7-IV11-V(b9)-I7, the underlining basic progression is still there. Just that I add color note to "cover" the basic chord. It does not disturb you using major scale. Practically I will use a lot of color chord on slow song and basic one on fast song.

Based on vocals, which contemporary genre is closest to classical vocals?Early Jazz?

[Messica]

Could you guys please rank the F#5s in this video. Thank you!   

 

We all know Slayhyang is No 1   #tho.

[Messica]

I disagree with the fact that you say that EunJi is the only good one in the group before you even listen to them to see who is good and who is not. That was also uncalled for. Like I said, I would like for you to rank them from best to least best. Are you unable to do that?

If you want another video, then here:

 

Ahmin is right tho. The rest of the girls are very nasal. Their live performances have a lot of intonation issues, and foremost lacking and very little breath support.Their lower registers are weak and undeveloped falsetto. However, the member who is most comfortable in the middle range other than Eunji id say is namjoo. So definitely Eunji is the only good one, well she's decent like Luna's level.

 

I think its Eunji >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Namjoo/Bomi > Naeun > Chorong > Hayoung

 

Cant really differentiate the last 3.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Hm, thank you for your opinion. ChoRong does a high note in one of their songs from their previous albums called "I Got You." She sings at 1:39

 

 

 

After listening to this, do you think NaEun is still a better singer than Chorong or would you still keep the same rank you have?

 

 

It's not that I have sass, it's just that I was answering his question. I wasn't aware that I had to give out more than one video. I just thought that one could judge based off of one video.

 

 

Omg her note in Like A Dream is phenomenal 

Ive just swapped Chorong and naeun for you boo. I just didnt know much about Chorong naeun and hayoung,

 

excuse me Ahmin but you forgot to put yoona :p where might she be there? 

I think shes more or less Siwon's level. But shes better than Dasom.

 

I was also responding in the same way that I talk. I just thought that the NONONO MV would be a good way to listen to them because members like NaEun and HaYoung, whom are deemed incapable of singing, show a bit of their vocals during their lines.

 

In a thread where you are expected to help the OH! Community by responding to questions in a manner of criticizing or some other form of judgement, I would definitely expect you to be professional. It's a place where you respond to everyone the same way, no matter who they are. I do not like to bring in personal things into a thread like this, but since you are curious, I will answer. I come here and ask questions because that's what I'm supposed to do. Even if I disagree with you all, I am still curious about your answer. All I said was that this thread is biased. If anything, you should be happy that I'm still coming here to ask questions because it'll be a good way for you to prove to me that my accusations of you all being biased are wrong. It's not that I was upset that you said that EunJi was good, but at the fact that you, off the top, stated something before I was able to give you my video. I found that to be a bit disrespectful.

 

 

 

 

Please, I'm a gaydess. 

 

qurl we know you Bi. You just love Nickhun more than anyone.

 

Not really, they're not really a troll, just someone who confuses me... and uh... Siwon > Dasom > Hyuna > Sohee > Dara/Minho > Sulli > Victoria > UEE > Hara... I'm not 100% this is pretty rough off of memory lol 

 

lol 

 

They're right though, if I wanna be respected I should be a professional, me being the only one actually venturing into the music industry.. I did take that honestly.. but thank you >_<

Ahmin, could you please rank the F#5s in this video. Thank you!     

 

We all know Slayhyang is No 1    #tho.

[Messica]

Oh I did sorry >_<   Siwon > Dasom > Hyuna > Sohee > Yoona > Dara/Minho > Sulli > Victoria > UEE > Hara...again take this with a huge grain of salt.

 

I never questioned you expecting me to be a professional like, oh whatever I shouldn't be one. I just apologized to you, as a professional. I don't think coming in here and me asking why you're here is personal really, but if you feel so, I'm sorry if it makes you feel uncomfortable to tell me so. I'm sorry if I seemed disrespectful, but it ain't like I don't know A Pink, I listen to their music and I'm familiar enough to know that nobody else ever stood out to me. I'd appreciate it if you didn't call...well I'm not everybody else, I'd appreciate if you didn't call them biased, but mainly, I can only defend myself so it'd be nice if you didn't call me biased. I answered your question nonetheless and if you can't hear the things I pointed out... then I guess you could call me biased... but if you can hear what I said, then you might see I'm not biased. Btw you should not feel as if you're supposed to ask questions here, if you don't like us and do not want to know what we think, you're welcome to leave ^ ^ come back whenever you want too, be opened minded. Again, one more time, I apologize if I ever come off as rude, arrogant, biased or disrespectful. 

 

Usually though, we go from live performances instead of MVs, unless it's a main vocalist or a solo singer, because then you can hear stuff, but on a group with 6 girls where Eunji is the only one with really challenging lines, it's hard to judge accurately. 

OMG I MEANT THE POP WORLD IM SORRY >_< LOL

Woah, hold up. I know YoonA is better than Dasom and Sohee. Cos I dont think them two have supported an A4 and all three are equally pitchy and nasal.

[Messica]

 

QURL THEY'RE ALL BAD. CUT ME SOME SLACK. LOL I said take it with a grain of salt. A huge one. 

 

I'm annoyed I forgot to add that Sunye F#5 on my video. LOL

Sohyang > Jea(? can barely hear it) Yoari > Hwayobi > IU/Sunye > Narsha/Jessica > Taeyeon > Tiffany 

tbh tho Jea's and Narsha's were hard to hear lol 

 

 

You literally would have had to look for and the download the movie to watch it so dont worry boo.

 

Im surprised he didnt add Seohyun's F#5. I totally agree with this ranking lol. Thanks. In the youtube comments, people were putting Tiffany as third and about half of them put Jess in top 5 lol. In Jakarta Sica was saved Seohyun's F#5.LOOOOL

 

Narsha's seemed a bit weaker than sica's tho, but I blame that on the audio quality. It was hard to hear. But for me even though Jea's F#5 was silent in the background, it was actually quite stable, but still  audible. I was actually impressed. Was it open throat?

 

There you go hun.

 

qurl, But you as a sone and vocal lord, i thought you'd know she was better.

 

Other than that, pretty accurate. So you good boo.  

[Messica]

YAYYYY 400 PAGES!

[Messica]

Who ever made this needs to burn

Who dafuq puts Joohyun above sohyang and Jessica above Sunye, gain above Jessica. There are certain things that are correct tho. Queen rank is the quite accurate. But the titles.  

Edited September 24, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

sorry i got curious with your post haha what did you mean by that?

Jessica saved seohyun's F#5 in their twinkle performance in their recent Jakarta concert. Seohyun has always cracked or at least intonation issues or at least tried heading her F#5 in twinkle (Ive yet to hear a F#5 by her that is on pitch, please show me one), and Jessica kept it on pitch by joining her on the note.