Tsabar 245 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, NoelVys said: Also, I'd like to ask what are all of your thoughts on the argument of belting and mixing being different laryngeal mechanisms and the mix ratio of chesty and heady being hogwash, because I'm kind of convinced that the arguments are true, but I'd still like to expand my perceptions @C.Y. It will be really interesting if you can write a bit about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ZRH23 said: Ah, I just realised I haven't answered anything Swan related lol. She had a recent cover right? Holawn lemme find it. Thanks for checking her out ! @ZRH23 what did you think about the upper register in 2:05 ? in the video you looked at ... Edited December 3, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, thepariskid said: you see this is so biased like if jinni is low average than why did you tie her and karina also can giselle support A4 like sullyoon? no In both cases we lack material for the singers from both groups. Based on the material we DO have Karina's support quality is more on the average side but she didn't sing enough on the A4-B4 range to say much about her supported range. Gisele support more shallowly, Sullyoon is fairly shallow as well, when the vocalists don't support well it doesn't matter as much if they can handle a very light and shallow A4 or not ... that's how I personally understood the way this person ranked them. Anyway no need to be rude/angry ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, thepariskid said: no you guys are biased towards aespa it has to be said Ok, no body is stopping you from saying that, I personally don't even stan Aespa, some ppl here do, I hope that you feel better now that you said it... ? If you do want to say why you believe Karina isn't average feel and actually say your own opinion instead of criticizing others feel free to do so. Edited December 3, 2021 by Tsabar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, thepariskid said: it doesn't look like you can see very well eat a lot af carrots and maybe go see a doctor They didn't understand you well, you said that YOU called Lily the worst person ever, not the thread. But you are way too rude, it really isn't that serious... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, thepariskid said: got the whole squad being active on the thread Yeah but you didn't bring up the discussion you wanted bcoz you are more busy in insulting ppl... you didn't say one vocal related things since your first post... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 1 minute ago, thepariskid said: Didn't we both end our conversation minutes ago?? why you still quoting me I didn't know that we ended it... our amazing relationship just started, I am so devastated 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 is this women really consistent above C#5/D5 ? ppl give here G5 but she is so rough on some Eb5/E5.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ZRH23 said: You'll find that a lot of AAs have questionable moments tbh. The main difference between P and AAs is how much of a handle they've got over their technique imo. There's some better moments in the vocal range video of hers. But no overall it wouldn't be a high AA based on mixed alone, but still better than Wheein and the gang. Is her mix better than prime Wheein as well ? 0:45-1:15 is it just her style/tonal quality ? those G#4/Bb4s doesn't sound that different than how some of the A-AAs approach them (it doesn't sound that full and focused)...same with the sustained ones at 2:42 and 3:00 Edited December 6, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) @ZRH23 I have two questions, one is how good is Minzy's mid-range ? I think that her analysis gave her Bb4 in mix, and I remember that Bazz said that without her lows she would be more of a mid average, but I think I heard decent consistency with fullness from her and she also have some decently nice moments up to C5 it seems- 1:38 not bad on C5 ?, 1:42 nice Bb4. 0:32 that C5 is not bad at all. 2:33, 2:52 My second question is, if her mid range is truly only mid-average worthy with Bb4 and she is boosted to a-aa just bcoz of her lows than isn't Monday enough for A-AA as well despite her consistency issues ? Edited December 10, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, thepariskid said: hi everyone hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Someone who claim to have trained for 10 years as a counter tenor wrote this about Felix from straykids, thoughts ? @bassinzo @ParkHyoLee @ZRH23 Quote one other flaw about this comment: voice types are NOT and never will be defined by vocal color/tone/timbre. Voice types are determined by one's natural passaggio, or the notes in which the voice naturally (meaning not strained or forced) transitions between chest to mix and mix to head voice. That being said, a tenor's natural passaggio lie at E4/F4 for chest to mix, and G#4/A4 for mix to head. Felix is definitely not a tenor because he can hardly sing an E4. For baritones their passaggio lie at B3/C4 for chest to mix, and E4/F4 for mix to head voice. Considering Felix can hardly sing an E4, I don't think he falls under a natural baritone voice. He might be an underdeveloped baritone, but my guess is he's a cusp between a bass and a baritone. In the classical world, Bass-baritones are a real vocal position you can sing. It's not a true voice type, but it's close enough to one to have different passaggios than a baritone or bass. Bass-baritone passaggio are at Ab3/A3 for chest to mix, and Db4/D4 for mix to head. Do I think this is accurate for Felix's voice? no, because even as low as a G3, he sounds like he's straining a bit to reach it. That leads us to Basses' passaggio, which lie at G3/Ab3 for chest to mix, and C4/Db4 for mix to head. Realistically, I think this is where Felix's voice lies because 1) he has the lowest range in kpop right now and can project in the 2nd octave a million times better than anyone else in his group (albeit strained). 2) this makes the most natural sense for him since his voice breaks at E4, meaning that's likely his limit in mixed voice. A baritone would be able to sing an E4/F4/G4 relatively well even if it's strained in mixed voice. Since Felix can't, I can only assume he has a lower voice type than a natural lyric baritone. I'm sorry to say this youtube comment is inaccurate, and the commenter clearly doesn't know how to classify voices. Hopefully you can gain something from this long breakdown this is Felix Edited December 18, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, exodus05 said: His voice screams tenor!!! Thats exactly what I though, he is breathing E4s and even F#4s are not that forced for him ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said: And you belived his 10 years story lmao ? I didn't lol, an online friend asked me what I think Felix's voice type is and after I said tenor he sent this to me, I wanted to ask here to see that I am not messing anything. (This essay is quite wrong though for Felix as an individual, he can sing up to F#4, he doesn't even struggle that much on the G3-E4 range that this person pointed out.) Thanks for replying Edited December 18, 2021 by Tsabar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Sarah Oon said: Adding on to this, but I've read that Olivia has Bb4/B4. Is she a low average? She doesn't sound like a high one to me. Why do you think she is a low one ? from what I heard she sound stronger than IU or Jeongyeon ... (I could be wrong ofcourse) 14 hours ago, Sarah Oon said: But her mid-range sounds underwhelming, nor she's as developed with her chest coordination as I thought. Anytime the song required some chest depth, she opted for going light and heady. She is a weak vocalist so idk what you expected in terms of chest presence from someone in her level, I would say she did ok here up to A4 but she is shallow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ZRH23 said: Mmm no I wouldn't say she's the top in Average now. Even in the 3rd Gen, I think there's someone who's better and stronger around A4-B4 range than her. Can I ask who are you talking about ? My guess is Somin ? Edited December 25, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Devoux3817 said: is ning ning’s Bb4 resonant? 2:08 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Lovelinuz said: Is it possible to permanently lose some of your range after being sick? My falsetto is super airy now and I can only sing consistently without cracking until around D4 (tenor) and it's been like this for almost a week now From personal experience the certain part of my voice that is gone after being sick usually return after two weeks max, idk how it will be for you. Anyway I think that to lose the ability to hit a note you need to really damage your voice not just be standardly sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) So I wondered how good are the best Vietnamese vocalists, I found this video by Fabulous Watermelon And Thu Minh who is regarded as the best vocalist (0:05-1:58) sound light and a bit small on anything in the 5th octave, I wondered how good is she ? just based on the belting ... I am really not sure if its the light mixing that confuse me or if I am right but she doesn't sound too good to me. Edited December 29, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 3 hours ago, BAZISSINO said: Are those Eb5s (and the F5) carrying support ? Or is it just good mixing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ZRH23 said: Thu Minh... Well, these stans aren't exactly known for reliable hearing . I listened to the video a bit and even C5 was riddled with tongue tension everywhere with not a lot of good stuff going on aside from that. As she goes above that, her voice gets lighter and lighter and tighter and the sound is very small tbh. Reverb was the only thing saving her . Yes, it's light mixing and no she's not...good. Yeah as I thought ... I wonder if any of the others in those videos is better than her, can you please look just at this time stamps above C5 and tell me if they are supported (some of the others have better coordination than Thu Minh below C5 but I wonder if anyone do well past that) ? 5:35 D5 and Bb4 5:50 D5 8:37 C#5 8:45 Eb5 8:50 Eb5-E5 Edited December 31, 2021 by Tsabar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 How well did Monday do here ? 0:31-0:50, 1:10-1:29, 2:38-2:47,2:57-3:34,3:43-3:54, 4:00-4:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, NMSyamin said: is this falsetto or head voice? 2:41 1:17 2:15 2:36 what note is that? is that support? doesn't sound that much shrill to me 2:02 3:11 head voice? Correct me if I am wrong but I remember better moments from Eunji in her upper register, those sound rather thin to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 52 minutes ago, Renner said: A bit random but I just realized 1:15 Goeun’s approach reminds me of Jihyo lol it’s that similar sort of chest pulling-projected to the nose somewhat muffled sound. what do you think about those B4s ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsabar 245 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Thoughts on the "supported" F3s and Eb5s by Wendy ? They also did this ranking video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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