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So the top five is still - Kyuhyun, G.O, Ryeowook, 2AM Changmin and Woohyun. Are the gaps big within the top 5? 

 

Haha damn that is pretty huge. Does that mean Sunggyu is very mediocre? Would he be around 2PM's Jun.K/Junho level?

 

Wow, I'm surprised that Taemin is way better than Changmin.

Yes that's the top 5. Hm, the gaps are there and it's pretty easy to tell who's the best, but G.O is Kyuhyun's biggest rival. Woohyun could do with some improvement.

 

Junsu and Junho are bad lol, he's not on that level. I'm not too familiar with the male rankings but I'd say he's somewhere around Soyeon's level.

 

A lot of people are :lol:

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Oh i see lol. Wow that's pretty amazing, especially if you're not really fan of the groups.

 

So is Taemin>> Jonghyun>> Changmin/Jaejoong? or Taemin>>Changmin/Jaejoong>>Jonghyun?

 

 

 

More like their company....SM has been exploiting Jonghyun's voice since 2008, forcing him to always go outside of his range and making him do crazy adlibs, now that they're done with him, is Taemin's turn :soul:

Tamin>Jonghyun>Changmin/Jaejoong

 

Nah, fans want it do, SM are only feeding da fans are SKoreans love da high notes. BTW it isn't outside of his range it's outside of his comfort zone, you can't produce sound if you're singing outside of your range. Hm, I hope they don't do that with Taemin.

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Hah.  I think it's a weird thing with vocals like speed is with piano -- people who don't play always say things like "wow he/she can play so fast!!"  <--- speed is not any indicator of a skilled pianist -_-

It doesn't matter how fast they play if they hit bum notes.

 

ok

.I have other more videos but i can't find it.I'm sure that you only watch 2-3 tvxq performances / year.You can't even make an opinion out of that .

Dear, i'm not delusional like most cassies.I know that most of them say crap all the time and i even discuss with them

Wow, I can't believe I actually watched this, but this actually supports my statement that Changmin strains. Changmin's larynx was not in a place that was healthy which means it was strained. God knows how many perfs I've watched of them.

 

Oh okay. It would be good to see Woohyun improve, I like his voice. Really? I thought they were mediocre. Bad is like Taeyang :O. There goes my poor fan girl heart LOL. Its all good, sometimes we need the plain truth :)

LOL Taeyang is terrible lol. I want Junho to get better because his voice is pretty.

Changmin has not resonated unfortunately.

Only backs up my statement that he strains (yesssh!)

 

lmao!!

At least SuJu had 3 main vocalists to split the adlibs in title tracks xD

 

My bad, i meant comfort zone :3

Well WSS promos were really hard on Tae, cause he had to do Jjong's parts too...he started to strain in some performances.. Hopefully SM will split the hardest parts in the future (or give them a better song?)

I don't think Jonghyun is fully recovered yet, and the tour is not really helping both of them, i'm worried :/

 

and probably you're right, SK seems to be crazy about high notes .__.

Yeah, hopefully that doesn't happen again. Overworking vocal cords is not a good thing.

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I got really curious now, so how is the the whole rank between the DB5K members and the SHINee members (i mean the 10 of them)?

Junsu > Taemin > Jonghyun > Jaejoong > Onew/Changmin (not sure about these two) > Key/Yunho > Minho/Yoochun

 

AhMin correct me if I'm wrong please.

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Lol the classifications goes as low as terrible? Poor Taeyang, the guy has nice songs but his vocals are not going to save him. 

 

Yes, Junho has a pretty voice. Hopefully he can improve after doing his solo promotions :)

Yes lol. I agree.

 

Hopefully. The problem is that 2PM are a dance group so JYP didn't get a f about their vocals, he focused on training 2AM.

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lol yeah i know some pretty awesome Cassies ;D

 

 

 

Poor you lol.

I don't even have the energy to argue with my own fandom lol

 

How big do you think is JongTae gap with Yesung? I know Ryeowook and Kyuhyun are like really far above.

Herm, not very big, but there's still an obvious difference.

 

 

Wow, i'd never had imagined it before o:

 

So they are more or less around the same level, wow, interesting  

 

 

lol

Yes, they are. Just one group is incredibly overrated.

 

True fact. I like 2AM and all but sometimes over-listening to their ballads makes me depressed LOL.

Same here.

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Taeyeon better than Junsu??

 

Then I guess all those Junsu vs Khyuhun threads back in AKP was a waste of time since they are not debatable.

Yes, she doesn't go nasal like Junsu and is more consistent.

 

Can we pls rank 2ne1 and snsd vocally  :hehe:

LOL

 

Vocal line > Minzy > Sooyoung > Yuri > CL > Yoona > Hyoyeon > Dara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bom

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Top class, meaning if she resonates in the future then she would be ranked in Tier 2?

Yes.

 

SooYoung and minzy are on the same level ? I thought she was only PArk Gyuri level...her being Minzy level puts her above like Hello Venus's Alice,Lime, $minute GaYoon,JiYoon,Minah...etc.

Error it was meant to say Minzy > Sooyoung.

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If we were to rank SNSD (singing line) and BEG, would it be....

Jae < Taeyeon < Narsha < Jessica < Seohyun <Gain < Fany/Sunny??

 

I believe I'm right :stud:

 

*Jea lol.

SooYoung will eventually be Minzy level, y'know if she keeps doing what she's doing...she might even support and A4 or Bb4 one day in maybe the near future and when(if) she does we can break out the sparkling Apple Juice again..since we wrongly brought it out for Jessica v.v She tricked us with her D5....WELL at least it was TaeYeon tense and not Jessica tense, because Jessica tense D5s make me laugh so hard...

LOL. Taeyeon tense instead of Sica tense was a good enough reason to break out the sparkling apple juice tbh

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Keke, no worries. Oooh Spanish, how cool! We didn't have it in my high school, man I don't even think we have it at our Uni either. Lol, the vocals thread is more fun  :lol:

Vocals is so much more interesting.

 

It's sad how excited we get when she does notes above C/C#...

LOL

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*Ignores everything to do with Jessica VS Seohyun*

 

Who is the most experienced at this? I'm thinking Ahmin cause you guys seem to ask him whenever you are not sure about someone xD.

Josias >>>>>>> Errybody else

 

Skip to 3:05

 

Does that sound like Falsetto to you ?

That's definitely head voice.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJk9Jd3enI4

 

 

YAAAAAAAAS. It's out.  :ahmagah:

 

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Stop lying. I never said that.

AMAZING SHE'S SLAYING EVERYTHING IT'S JUST SO GOOD LIKE WHY? WHY IS SHE SO PERFECT? Her dancing is awful though, so stiff lool.

 

How is ock joo hyun as a vocalist in comparison to Ailee or even Sohyang?

Sohyang > Ock Joo Hyun > Ailee.

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What would you guys look for/what questions asked when looking for a vocal coach?  

 

I'm not interested in singing professionally or anything, just want to improve my high range and not sound so bad after A4 / be able to hit notes higher than C#5 consistently/properly if possible, learn how to breathe and use mixed voice / head voice better.

I'd ask them about what they think about Christina Aguilera, if they say she's good, run like the wind.

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Ah yeah  :._.:   I live in the middle of nowhere in the USA, so it'll be harder I think.  I'll look up SLS, tyvm for advice~

 

 

 

 

Re: C. Aguilera - haha :D  I also want a strict coach (I don't like coaches who try to be nice and not say what needs to be said sometimes, I can take the criticism.  My piano professor was a complete dragon, firebreathing scary person :omg:  If I repeated any mistakes from a previous class she'd be all  :fyeah:  :donthinkso:  :omgwtf: and hammer it into me not to do it again  -- was so awesome.)

SLS is not reliable.

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Ah  :._.:   I didn't even know there were different teaching methods, I was reading up on it and saw posts like classical vs SLS --- it's like suzuki method (for instruments) then? It's popular but controversial... I didn't use it when I was younger because my grandmother hated that it didn't focus on learning how to read music early on (she plays piano too).

Classical is the best technique, SLS is singing like you speak, which is stupid because you use different registers for singing. SLS barely talks about breath support either.

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I'd like to know everyone's opinions on Baekhyun D:

He's one of my motivations and I like his style of singing.

 

It's just that er I'm inexperienced and not really knowledgeable as much as some people here in critiquing technique.

I think his highest note is a mixed F#5 in their performance of Mirotic? People say it was Changmin but they could just have a similar tone in their higher ranges. He hit an F5 in What is Love live anyways, and several live E5's in Wolf, so its believable to me.

 

Can anyone give any opinions on everything else about Baek's vocals? 

 

(This is my favourite clip)

 

(And I like this cover too even though his high notes aren't very resonant here... start listening @1:45)

I'm not being rude or anything, but I don't think he should be your inspiration because he's mediocre and struggles a lot. His style is also similar to YSS.

 

Baekhyun has a lot of technical issues, he's incredibly nasal and he doesn't hold his jaw in the correct position at lot of the time causing tension in this throat. He has problems with his diction causing air to be trapped in his front teeth. His breath support his rather weak which is why he gasps a lot during performances. His intonation needs work and he strains a lot because he likes to belt in his upper range. I consider him to be the Tiffany of EXO, I foresee him getting vocal nodules in the future if he continues using this far from decent vocal technique.

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Could this be what y'all call 'the ring'? Like, he ended the note with his microphone near his hip yet he was very much audible.

 

At 3:36

 

 

 

LOL

Yes, it's the ring.

what are the indications of resonance? how can you tell if you're resonating or not

 

It's like a bubble in your head, apparently.

Oh okay I thought along the same lines too but I wasn't sure. Thanks!

 

 

Uh.. sorry but who is YSS? I'm not good with acronyms. 

 

And ah, okay. I hope Baek improves in the future because I really do like his voice. Thank you :3

 

 

Hm okay. You're talking about EXO on weekly idol, right? And yes Baekhyun's voice is lovely! 

Don't worry by the way, I'm not trying to make my tone sound like his. I'm a baritone anyways and my highest belt is F#4 (I think that's where real chest voice ends, so it's convenient to remember~) so I could never hit Baekkie's notes anyways lol. When I listen to singers I like as role models in kpop, all I really get influenced by is their unique tendencies and habits with runs and inflections, which is different from person to person. It sounds silly, but I actually self taught myself how to do a basic voice inflection and vibrato by listening to Jessica.

 

I know what you guys mean about Tiffany :P

 

For real technique... well, my favourite vocalist ever is Whitney Houston... and I know for a fact that in her prime, she cleanly belted and was almost always resonant, with proper support and clarity. I love her melismatic singing :) Although we're completely different, I sing her songs to practice so maybe her technique can rub off on me EHEHHEHEHEHHEHE.

 

Thanks everyone ^^

 

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edit:

 

*_*

YSS is an SM produce and vocal trainer, I think

 

Yes, I have actually! That means you're eternalsilverlight on YouTube? I'm a big fan of your videos actually.

 

 

Uh... can I PM you lol

I rarely have chances to sing freely at home so when I do I have to quiet my voice, and I usually record lying flat on my stomach on the floor... but I'll pm you anyways 8)

 

My YT is AkisameF5 I make females sound male and males sound female.

 

By the way Ahmin how did you digest the fact you could most likely be a tenor?

He vomited a lung.

Why don't you work on your Ailee video instead of wasting your time, trying to come at his D?   :donthinkso:

/dead

 

Apparently she's a screecher, I think she's like decent to good though. Like Jennifer Hudson is decent, people just exaggerate her flaws, Celine dion is like okay to decent too... 

No.

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