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That's such a backwards way to think.  The fact that there's an american/western standard and a kpop standard makes absolutely no sense.  Everyone should be judged on the same scale regardless of what country they're from/what language they sing in.  

That's how it is tho. It's a way of sugarcoating for idols sake lol Becuase if we judge them on american standard they're all meh... It's nicer to use kpop standard

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I don't confuse the american standard. The word mediocre means medium but it has taken a bad meaning. If the american standard is that high, why do so many people fall under average and weak in the american market anyway? Currently who in the american market classifies as "decent" in the k-pop standard? Not many, so I take it as a world-wide standard. I haven't confused anything, I've just argued that really the standards are the same worldwide, nobody amongst idols classifies as amazing or great or excellent but there are korean singers who do, so it's worldwide either way. Beyonce and Sohyang are excellent, Lee Yong Hyun, Ock Joo Hyun and Bada are great, gimme american singers CURRENTLY, not in their prime, who would be great. I've been saying this for a while Peter, have you been reading the forum at all? >_< lol 

It's american pop and kpop. Beyonce, Mariah, Whitney, Jordin Sparks and a lot of others good and great american vocalists sing pop music for mainstream public, Sohyang, Ock JooHyun and the other ones you mentioned don't, that's why we have kpop standard. For them their best right now is Beyonce, for kpop the best is Ailee and the difference between them is quite big. Also, we have like 4/5 kpop vocalists at best that can be considered good for american standard. In America there are a lot more of POP singers in this category. Also lots of american mediocres are as good as kpop's good/decent (Demi for example). 

But if u want to use just one standard then do it, I prefer to use the two different standards =p

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Well, we still ahve to be realist, calling Ailee amazing even if for kpop standard would be too much... And I don't think the people who consider Ariana mediocre would consider Taeyeon decent tbh lol I always saw our chart as kpop standard with Ailee-Haeri being "good", JeA-Dana being "decent, Sunye-MinKyung being "ok", etc. And then American/Universal standard would be a different level, but maybe that's how I saw it then... Then there's no point for you to argue about Ariana Ahmin, 'cuz on worldwide standards she's definely mediocre =p

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Uh... I believe akisame and zhx do actually. Yes the they're those terms, which I don't use anymore because I don't like them myself, I use the good - capable -above average - average - weak - bad terminology. No I will argue cuz if "world-wide" as you insist she's mediocre, then Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry and stuff are horrible and that's not the case, they're yes horrible if you wanna be a bitch, if they're just really weak, they are on the same level as ...I'm gonna stop. 

I'm not talking about them lol I'm talking about people like Josias or BZ etc lol 

AND IDK KATY BUT OMG 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL65_O6aQqA

SHUT UP IF U DON'T CONSIDER THIS HORRIBLE LOLOL

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Starting from when she got on IS2, basically? How was she at debut, then? Was she significantly better/worse than Yuji/Uji was when Exid debuted?

She was on Narsha's level when she debuted I'd say... she had trouble with D5s and everything past this was VERY strained, but in her comfort zone of like F#3-C#5 she was ok, resonated a few times. After joining IS2 she got more consistent, expanded her tessitura to D5 and developed a good pitch with time and she stayed like this till this year when she started working on her upper belts and she's slaying the Eb5-F#5 range =P jk She still needs some work but she improved A LOT within little time
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So, what about Taeyeon's Improvement through the years?

She was ok at debut, but quite inconsistent, had trouble even on C#5s sometimes, everything above was bad and she was rarely resonant. After 2011 she started improving, right now she got more consistent singing on her comfort zone, resonating on C5s and C#5s is a usual thing for her and she can belt good D5s and Eb5s sometimes. Edited by taegang0508
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She expanded her tessitura by a half-note? XD;;

 

Thanks for the thorough answer~~

It seems simple but its quite hdifficult xD She's trying to expand it to E5 or F#5 right now, and she's improving so fast that I wouldnt doubt seeing her belting resonant G5s like nothing in one year tbh lol
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You can arguably say her tessitura ends at D5 as of now. So no, she expanded a whole note.

 

Also..you laugh it and throw her achievement to the side, but it's a lot harder to expand one's tessitura and to support notes than you think.

True, Taeyeon been trying to get better with her D5s and Eb5s since the start of this year and she still has lots of problem with these notes =/
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How did Luna do compared to the first performance of this song?  :smile:

New performance tad better (the first one was not bad tho), her vibrato was better, her throat was more open (I hear resonant/open-throated moments) and she sang it a bit differently (showed a bit of musicianship I thnk? lol). In the first performance she belted a strained Eb5, in the recent one she just did it in head voice instead, which was a good choice. She improved. My only problem is that her transition to head voice wasn't as smooth in this new performance... but it wasn't bad and she didn't use falsetoo so no problem lol

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so could someone rank them please :D

Most of them were resonant, so it's not really needed to discuss who's more or less resonant. But for the ones that weren't I'd say Dana's>EunJi's>SunYe's>Boram's. I'm not sure if JeA's, Luna's and Baek Ji Young's were resonant tho

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how good are little mix? 

who would you equate them to kpop-wise? 

 

here's a video showing their range from their first album - 

 

thank you! :-) 

Their low notes are not bad tbh, a lotof belts were tense, but there were some -I think- were fine. They are an average group, much better than 1D but they ain't that good too =/

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I don't understand why you guys are so against growling like if it sounds good then it's good. Singing isn't always about proper technique, but actually expressing. Growling is a very effective way of emphasizing certain lyrics of a song, thus, leading to a more connecting performance.

I don't recall we saying growling is bad, as long as it's intentional and not overdone no problem
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After thinking about it. What's really the difference between a decent vocalist and an okay vocalist, I mean they're all somewhat resonant, but is it just consistency and other basic issues (strain, tense) that decent vocalists lacks less.

 

if so, what's the difference between a good and a decent vocalist?

Decent vocalists have resonant consistency ( well looking at taeyeon and early 2013 hyorin).

But is it that good vocalist extends this consistency to a much higher range and other registers and are less likely to encounter basic issues?

 

Like I still don't see how Hyorin is considered good. Her lower range in reality is just decent, she still goes throaty or tense more often than ailee. She doesn't have a developed head voice. Is she really resonating all those F5s? IIRC doesn't taeyeon have a more developed head and falsetto?

 

TL;DR, I don't think she's really in the leagues of haeri and ailee. I imagine her as just a better version of taeyeon. Like equal to Lina.

 

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG. I should be wrong somewhere.

Actually the whole thing was quite wrong ;)

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I was expecting that. Thats why I asked the questions.

She has a developed head voice?

 

Id really like it if someone actually corrected me tho.

Ok, now seriously, first thing, ok vocalists haven't achieved resonance and if they had it was once or twice, it's not like they know how to do it all the time, this is pretty much the difference between them and the decent vocalists, the consistency on their comfort ranges. Not to mention a lot of other thing, actually we don't really have a rule that says what makes someone decent, bad, good, ok or w/e, we need to look into every vocalist individually, each one of them have their own stregths and weaknesses that will make them worse or better than another vocalist. But anyway everything resumes into consistency.

 

And about Hyorin, she's a whole different level compared to taeyeon now. It's not about lower range or head voice/falsetto. Hyorin is now able to consistently belt good notes above D5, which she wasn't capable of before, and Taeyeon is still not able to do that (Lina wasn't very good past E5 too, I can't be sure about her now due to lack of material). Hyorin doesn't get tense and throaty anymore as u said... well, actually she does have some F5s that go raspy and she avoids some F#5s, but that's just because her voice is not 100% used to that range YET (even though she still resonates these high notes most of the time), it's just a matter of time tbh. not to mention hyorin's overall singing has got tad better, her vibrato is more stable and present on simple lines, she's supporting and placing all her range better now. AND Hyorin showed that she has a quite good agility and pitch accuracy for runs, which HaeRi and Taeyeon have not shown at all as far as I know.

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