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Everybody's ignoring my request :cry:

I didn't see it. What was it?

 

thanks  :chu:

 

It's kinda embarrassing to ask but is it possible to learn what you guys know through self-study? have u all taken vocal lessons?  :unsure:

sorry if I'm bothering you too much with my questions 

I've never had a vocal lesson in my life. It is possible to learn vocal pedagogy through self-study, because I did it by following a lot of vocal people on the internet and watching the allkpop vocals thread. If you're talking about applying the knowledge to your vocals you can do it, it just takes a bit of time :).

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Are head and mixed voice supposed to be harder to get a good sound out of than chest?  I ask because I have problems trying to produce it, but I'm not sure if it's because it's so much harder for me to reach notes beyond B4 without sounding awful (I'm a girl so that's ... -_-... makes me sad to hear people hit C5+ so easily)

No. You were an alto in choir right? That just means your chest voice is more developed than your mix and head voices, meaning that you find it easier and more comfortable to do notes in your lower range. I have the same problem.

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Yes it's harder unless you speak in it... I mean, you speak with your chest voice....so.. lol  Not your head voice... mix is hard.. lol Everything is somewhat hard lol Yknow ..lol

Not necessarily. Many people find it easier to sing in mix/head than they do chest. Are you referring to SLS?

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I have no intention of working on my vocals :D

you just followed people who know about vocals? didn't study any books or read any blogs? 

 

I read a blog called singwise and there's this YT'er called BZBlaner. There a lots of YT'ers actually that you can learn a lot from.

 

 

Oh I mean yes, you might find it easier to sing in chest because we speak with chest voice... I was just using logic really... It's normal for most ppl to find chest voice easier since we speak with it, so it's logically more developed...but head voice... is head voice......well some ppl find it easier.. tbh it's just what you use more frequently and have more developed, if you don't sing at all, your chest voice will be more developed because that's what you speak with, if you are used to using smth more than the rest, it will be more developed, like girls who mostly use head voice or falsetto... 

But we utilize different parts of registers for speaking and singing, when we speak we speak in our chest but it doesn't have the same effect as when we sing in it. Like running a lot is going to make you more fit, but your breath control and support could still suck. If we are so used to speaking in chest surely everyone would have a decent lower range because it's really developed? I think she finds it easier to sing in chest voice because she was an alto in choir.

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thanks guys...

hope I can use your help more in future since it doesn't seem easy at all <3 

Come here any time you need help or won't to ask us anything! <3

 

Btw, what does coloratura mean and how to achieve it?

I read somewhere Sohyang is not on par with the holy trinity: Whitney, mariah and beyonce because she isn't a coloratura or something?

 

also, how to differentiate between a falsetto, head voice and whistle, which one is healthier. Iirc, someone claimed whitney had super control on her head voice and mariah was lacking on her/had underdeveloped head voice therefore defaulted to utilize her whistle reg.

A coloratura is someone who can utilize dynamics, ornamentation and colouring of the voice with ease, and an aspect of agility.

 

Well I'm singing alto rn in choir and I'm defs not using chest. LOL

 

It's not that complicated, you just have to be open minded~ ^ ^

 

Coloratura is like really quick and agile in the upper register and stuff like that. Oh No, Beyonce isn't a coloratura neither is Whitney, she's not on par because she's jut not good enough, but Sohyang is similar to Beyonce's level

 

Head voice is the healthiest. Whistle is disconnected and it sounds like a whistle, and falsetto is breathy, weak head voice, with no dynamics, usually tense, think christina aguilera singing really high lol Oh no no Mariah carey has an underdeveloped head voice and uses falsetto which can be damaging.. lol but her whistle is used cuz she goes very high, head voice/falsetto cant hit C7's like whistle can

Excuse me? What are you talking about? Beyoncé and Whitney are Coloraturas. Please, refrain from spreading lies.

How many of you guys actually have a "degree" ( studied it ) about vocals? Dunno how this is called..

Or did you just read some internet articles and now think you can hear everything with your ears when in facto you're just amateurs?

Tommy, go send love messages to Rika - she's fasting.

 

And about Mariah Carey's head voice and constant use of falsetto. Mariah has an underdeveloped head voice and can only extend it up to a D6 because when she was a baby she screamed so hard that she got vocal nodes, and vocal nodes make it harder to develop the head voice and extend it further. She uses falsetto a lot because her nodes prevented her from connecting her cords to produce a head voice. A Whistle register sounds like a whistle and is never counted as part of the comfort zone due to it being a disconnected part of the voice.

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I'm still banned though

Answer my question and don't reply with Off-Topic replies

I unbanned you ages ago, you fishcake. What question?

 

So you like boys.. I see LOL and Uhm the other ones do know their shit n tbh ppl in my college don't know much... Ik prolly as much as some teachers bcuz of the talking and stuff here...

No Sunny uses falsetto as well but mostly head voice and no Whitney n Mariah are on pair n beyonce n Sohyang are similar too

Whitney > Mariah. Whitney's developed head voice puts her slightly above Mariah.

 

Whitney was a coloratura too? lol. And I think that we can't compare Sohyang with Beyoncé, they're very different.

Yes, I've seen many a person say this (Drew and others). Why can't we compare them?

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As far as ik Mariah is the only one officially classified as a coloratura.. That's what I meant n I also thought coloratura as to do with all those abilities mostly in the upper register

Officially classed? By whom? The only thing that Mariah Carey has been "officially" described as is an alto. I thought you were just talking about agility in the upper register.

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*Sigh*

Whitney>Mariah>Beyonce>SoHyang

Beyonce is a coloratura so that makes her >>SoHyang

Beyonce isn't much better than SoHyang though..

Seriously though, who comes after Beyonce in vocal ability, I know it isn't SoHyang.

Currently? I think it's Lara Fabian.

 

Oh I meant on BZ videos, like she is a coloratura, Whitney was like .. I forgot what n beyonce a lyric mezzo? I don't rmbr

Don't patronize me u heartbreaker. Lol

Well, that is just him not putting it there, but they are.

Because some voices can't do complex ornamentation, say that a vocalist is better than other because of a coloratura is the same to say that a dramatic is better than a lyric because this one has less power.

Sohyang is a Spinto and so is Whitney, but Whitney was a Coloratura. Also, there are many dramatic voices in opera (Maria Callas) that were Coloratura's. Tina Turner is a dramatic but can be compared to Beyonce, she may have power but she lacks true resonance.

 

I can't see the you know what I mean, what you're talking about I just visited you know what I mean again nothing

 

Become the vocal teacher of Sohee please

Check now.

 

LOL OK.

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Lara Fabian is the Light Lyric Soprano right ? I remember saying/being confirmed that SoHyang was better than her because she had more agility in the belts.

No, she's a Full Lyric. I'm not too sure, maybe Anastasia, then...

Doesn't work

I will make a new you know what I mean begins with a when it doesn't start working in a few days

I asked Iko to sort it out, if it doesn't work then make a new one.

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I don't think that Whitney was a real Coloratura, and Whitney turned a lyric mezzo too, right?(well, Whitney never had a Spinto range tho) But compare a dramatic coloratura with a dramatic in pop music, Cheryl Lynn and Monica Naranjo, Cheryl has the power, but she's way brighter and lighter than Monica and even Patti...

 

 

 

She's a Full Lyric

I wasn't sure about Whitney being a Coloratura but zhx was "But she is., but she was a Spinto and what do you mean Spinto range? She was a Soprano with a hybrid voice who had a steely quality to her voice, but still retained agility and warmth. Hm, I see your point.

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Like, Spintos have immense power and endurance in their voice, that's why Sohyang can belt in the 6th octave, however Whitney couldn't belt this high, by her G5s you can tell, that was her limit. (but I know, range isn't used to decide a voice type).

 

 

Minnie Riperton? xD

Whitney's problem was not using head placement to belt higher than G5/G#5 because she extended her mask to G5/G#5 (I can't remember the semitone). I don't think she learned to use head placement (I could be wrong), but her head voice was still fantastic. I'm not saying this is fact, by any means, because I'm not too sure myself.

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True. In MY opinion, now, I'd say that Whitney was a coloratura lyric mezzo with this steely quality... just wondering, I think that Josias could help with this :meow:

 

 

I know, but endurance and big power in the highest registers are features of a spinto too.

But when Whitney became a Mezzo, she no longer possessed the steely quality to her voice.

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Good point xD, so coloratura is pure ability? Well, even if it's pure ability or a born feature, I think lighter voices can develop a coloratura easier than the heavier ones. And do you think that Whitney was a coloratura too?

 

 

 

So I don't know Whitney well, do you know any music of Whitney that she belt high being a mezzo?

 

I only know like 2 of her songs, sorry.

Do you guys think SoHyang might become a Mezzo ?

No.

 

She's good, resonant and nice larynx most of the time. Nice :)

 

NVM Drew answered it LOL

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M80un5o-l0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4iSI2EGEk

 

 

Cheryl lacks the power of Monica and Patti. A dramatic coloratura will not have the true power of a Dramatic voice.

 

As for Whitney, she was a Coloratura. And range is not used in mainstream to type a voice. Her vocal weight and color was that of a Spinto, the creamy, huge voice.

I knew it.

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I have some questions about nasality :3

 

So are there more kind of nasality? Because for some reasons, i can't stand it in male singers but i'm not sure if what bothers me can always be considered "nasality".

For example i usually can't stand Beast or Infinite songs because they have many nasal singers,

 

 

 

 

 

 

are they nasal or am i using an incorrect term and just don't like their tone?

 

 

 

but is there a difference between someone who has a "nasal" tone and is always nasal (or something like that) and someone who gets nasal only when out of his range?

I mean, SHINee are my bias group cause i like their voices and their songs the most and Key is not usually nasal in SHINee songs, but he becomes such when he sings his american pop songs (Gaga, Katy Perry..etc).. Also Jonghyun's voice is probably my favourite out there together with Matt Bellamy's but some people call him nasal...i'm confused :derp:

 

sorry for the many questions and general messiness lol

OK, I think I know what you are asking.

 

I don't think anyone can have a nasal tone, but many people think that those who are using mask placement are nasal because the vibrations are at the front of their face. In Infinite all of them are nasal except for Woohyun and in B2ST Yoseob sometimes produces a non-nasalized tone. There is a difference between someone who is always nasal, and someone who switches to nasal placement when they leave their comfort zone. For example, Taeyang is always nasal, but Kyuhyun sometimes goes nasal (very rarely) and the difference between them is quite large. About key, he's always nasal, it's just a bit more obvious when he sings in English. Some people's nasality is hard to detect because their tone is usually heavier meaning it disguises their nasality which is why most people think that Seohyun and Tiffany aren't nasal.

 

Sorry if I don't make sense, I am sick.

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where did sooyoung do better than tiffany?

One of their Express 999 performances during their tour in Japan.

Thank you for answering, i hope you feel better soon!

You made lot of sense actually, i guess i understand now.. Basically nasality bothers me when it's really obvious, sometimes i have a hard time detecting it tho, like you said, i never noticed that Key is always nasal, same with Seohyun.

Last question, Is it possible to be nasal on purpose? For Ring ding dong Jonghyun sings differently and he sounds nasal to me, especially with the "babeeeeee" lol ..and he does it also when he sings hip hopish songs i think

Aw thank you :).

 

Yep. Singers who use nasality for affect don't lift their soft-palates. I think Bada does it for affect because she removes her nasality when she's belting, but I'm not too sure.

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Is Infinite's Woohyun decent or okay? How is he in these performance? Is the gap between him and Sunggyu really big?

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, again  :lol:

Woohyun is decent, I think he's in the top 5. Omigod the gpa between them is big, it's like the gap between Taeyeon and Jessica, but a bit bigger.

 

Really? :O

I'm surprised lol

What about Changmin (TVXQ)

Taemin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changmin.

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I don't think that jae is at the same level as changmin.changmin is so much better .Also yunho improved and he is better than jaejoong now. As for taemin, i don't listen to him so i can't know

 

No.

the first time i see someone saying that changmin is mediocre.  Even tvxq haters say that he is a good vocalist

Most people think that screaming really high notes with nasality and poor support = a good vocalist, but I'm afraid it doesn't. What you have seen for the first time is the truth.

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typical answer.Honey, it's not the truth just because you told me so and i'm not living in denial

Pfft. Give me evidential proof that Changmin does not strain his ass off. Do you know a thing about vocals? Nah you don't, neither do most Cassies.

How do you guys judge consitency? Do you stan them/watch every vocal performance in order to compare them?

We watch so many live performances, I hate MuBank now.

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Why do people care so much about high notes?  It's not like wide range automatically = good singer (or having a high voice...)  Never got the point of high notes battles either or forcing idols to sing notes they can barely reach because their fans want it..

Can I hug you?

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