KoreaxxLove 194 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Can someone help me figure out what notes are being belted in these performances? Around 2:43 ish Around the three minute mark And ... Around the 1:50 mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Bb5, C6 and A5 respectively. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Can anyone tell me what notes are being hit between 3:09 and 3:15-ish. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Can someone help me figure out what these notes are? Thanks. 2:18 3:35 Around 2:00 Around 3:25 Around 19:25 Song starts around 00:51, note around 1:01 Edited March 8, 2014 by KoreaxxLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 First, thanks to everyone who always answers my questions. I really appreciate it!! What is the note around 2:30 in this video? The video quality is crap (cellphone fancam, I guess), so maybe it's harder to tell. Also, is it whistle register? Thanks so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 E6 I'm really indecisive as to whether it's falsetto or whistle register... I wanna say whistle register... Thanks! She sings E6 and higher without the whistle register quite often, so it would surprise me more if it were whistle register than if it weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yes I was~~ Yeah but there's a difference cuz one can have musicality without musicianship~ yeap~ Yeap E6 and to me it was not very good, kinda uncontrolled and unstable... and to me it was falsetto but I also find it hard to tell due to the quality but I don't think it's whistle register, I vote for falsetto. She's got great control in her upper register. It's hard to judge the quailty of a note with recordings like these. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Well, Christina Aguilera's used whistle register before, but she uses falsetto 90% of the time. I didn't say it precluded the possibility of a whiste note--just it would surprise me if it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 When someone refers to a "high G" in music, is that referring to the G5 note or the G6 note? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Usually G5. G6 is fucking high. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 It depends on the context in which it is used. Ex "My range goes up to High G" that normally refers to G6 yknow if that's a girl here's another example "All Sopranos must hit the High G" is referring to G5. Most people specify though like my teacher will say High C above middle C when she is talking about C5. Hmm, I had a friend translate a Chinese article for me the other week, and in it, the guy wrote that the woman with whom he was recording said she used to "sing the high G" all the time, and he said he didn't believe it and was surprised when she did. In this context, I would assume there would be no apparent disbelief that someone could sing a G5 and is referring to G6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Why do some singers' heads shake when they sustain a powerful note? The singers I'm talking about are generally pretty resonant, so I was wondering if this is related to technique or not. Example (around 2:30): Edited March 26, 2014 by KoreaxxLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It has nothing to do with technique, it's just a performance expression. It looks to me as if she's not intentionally doing it, though. It happens when she belts, too. That being said, I'm not saying I don't believe you. I don't know enough about vocals to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 That is beside the point here. You still haven't provided strong arguments about Sohyang lacking technically. Yes, I listen to Huang Qishan. She's good, but she actually has a few technical issues in terms of tone production. It's not perfect. Her vocal tract isn't optimally shaped. Not all her resonator chambers are fully activated and balanced between them. Her resonance isn't perfect compared to Sohyang's. I can identify a few tense notes here. She doesn't produce a perfect squillo. Her agility is mediocre. No idea why you linked me to this performance out of all of her performances. The only thing this performance proves us is how mediocre her head voice is. Not as vibrant, resonant, clear and well-placed as Sohyang. Sohyang > HQS still. I thought you were rather HILARIOUS for using a lie that you made up about Sohyang supposedly being known for cracking to refute the whole point of the discussion here and claiming that poor technique produces good sound, but that part about the implication of Sohyang straining in a performance of Hero just surpasses it. Either you need to stop trolling or you need to fix your speakers and get some hearing aid. Okay, I wasn't going to get into this because I was just curious about Sohyang (and other singers who do that like The One), and I wasn't trying to hate or anything, but I have to admit that Huang Qishan is my bias, and I think you're just being full of crap. Mediocre agility? No, she's not trying to sing that song with agility. Check out some other performances (I think I've posted one here already) where she does a series of runs ending in D6 and E6 notes within a matter of seconds. Tense notes? No, there aren't any. They're all resonant, and her head voice is great. I can link you to other performances if you want. Her tone production is absolutely fine, and she's able to swiftly switch tones. You're really off-base in this comment. China's premier vocal coaches have any applauded her tones, saying that no one in Asia can sing this way. I don't know if you can read Chinese, but if you can't, I'd highly recommend you to look at her vocal analysis from Chinese professionals, and you'll see that Huang Qishan's technique is "unparalled" (I put it in quotes because these are the words of a nationally-renowned vocal coach, not a onehallyu user). As far as her vocal tract, there's nothing wrong with it, and she's able to sing freely up to a G#6 in it (again, something a music insider in China thought impossible until she showed him). Huang Qishan is also forty-four in that performance, and sings it very well. Nothing about her head voice is mediocre. Fine, you like Sohyang, but you don't have to lie about others to make Sohyang look good. It's funny how you mention her resonator chambers not being active when Chinese vocal coaches have also analyzed this aspect of her voice in a manner very contradictory to yours. In short, just in case you don't bother to read it, it mentions her ability to have perfect resonance throughout her register, both high and low. Am I saying that Sohyang doesn't have good resonance? No, just saying that you're not right about Huang Qishan. So again, I think you're full of it here, to be quite honest. Poor technique CAN produce good sound--look at Whitney. Does it make you sound perfect? Of course not. But good? Sure, it can. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 That is beside the point here. You still haven't provided strong arguments about Sohyang lacking technically. Yes, I listen to Huang Qishan. She's good, but she actually has a few technical issues in terms of tone production. It's not perfect. Her vocal tract isn't optimally shaped. Not all her resonator chambers are fully activated and balanced between them. Her resonance isn't perfect compared to Sohyang's. I can hear a few tense notes here. She doesn't produce a perfect squillo. Her agility is mediocre. No idea why you linked me to this performance out of all of her performances. The only thing this performance proves us is how mediocre her head voice is. Not as vibrant, resonant, clear and well-placed as Sohyang. Sohyang > HQS still. I thought you were rather HILARIOUS for using a lie that you made up about Sohyang supposedly being known for cracking to refute the whole point of the discussion here and claiming that poor technique produces good sound, but that part about the implication of Sohyang straining in a performance of Hero just surpasses it. No, actually, now that I think about it, the whole poor technique can produce good sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either you need to stop trolling or you need to fix your speakers and get some hearing aid. If you can read Chinese (or if you can't, you might want to find someone who can), you can read a more official analysis of Huang Qishan's head voice and resonance capabilities, which I'll post below here: 头腔共鸣是美声æŒæ‰‹ä¸ºäº†èŽ·å¾—è´¨é‡å¥½çš„高音在高音区使用的一项很难的技术，她的共鸣ä½ç½®æ˜¯å¾ˆé«˜çš„，在软è…以上，而且需è¦å’½ï¼Œé¼»ï¼Œå–‰ï¼Œæ‰£è¿™å‡ 个共鸣腔产生一个很强的音é‡æ‰èƒ½å¼•å‘头腔共鸣　　头腔共鸣ä¸æ˜¯ä¸ºäº†å°±èŽ·å¾—一个高度的高音，他最é‡è¦çš„是高音区的润色问题，当然也能解决音é‡é—®é¢˜ï¼Œä»–是唱“好â€é«˜éŸ³çš„一ç§æŠ€æœ¯ï¼Œä»–对æŒæ‰‹çš„技术è¦æ±‚是很高的，声音ä½ç½®é«˜è·Ÿèƒ½åœ¨é«˜ä½ç½®äº§ç”Ÿå…±é¸£æ˜¯ä¸¤å›žäº‹æƒ…，然åŽï¼Œæœ‰å¤´å£°è·Ÿå¤´å£°è¿›å…¥å¤´è…”产生共鸣也是两回事情，å¯ä»¥è¯´åœ¨æµè¡ŒèŒƒç•´ï¼Œæœ‰å¤´å£°çš„ä¸å°‘ï¼Œä½†éƒ½æ²¡æœ‰å¤´è…”å…±é¸£ï¼Œå› ä¸ºè¿™ç§å…‰é 声带带出的音é‡æ˜¯ä¸å¯èƒ½å¼•å‘共鸣的 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 She's literally cracked twice in her whole career and once it was because she burped (because of her fantastical breath support) and the other was just an off-day. It's not she strains her ass of on a daily basis like whoever this woman is. FYI cracking is a lot more healthier than strain so take a seat on the floor. She doesn't strain. She's actually used as a model for singing in Chinese vocal classes, even by some of the most renowned vocal coaches in China. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 You're literally either tone deaf or so caught up in your bias that you don't know what strain sounds like. This is like me trying to tell people Lea Salonga is better than Sohyang lmfao. I'm not so caught up that I'm not hearing it. Am I saying that she hits EVERY note perfectly? No, but neither does ANYONE. But, does she strain all the time? No, she's got great technique, and unless you can present qualifications that top China's vocal coaches, you can take a seat and find something better to do with your time because you won't convince me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 1. Her voice is not agile. 2. Yes, there are tense notes. She doesn't maintain an even scale and a full consistent column of sound in that performance. 3. Funny how her tone production is supposedly fine when there's no optimal resonance there. 4. Read my post again. I'm implying her tone production isn't perfect. The vocalization is good, but it could be much better. LMAO at "vocal coaches" and tones. kii. 5. Again, you need to read my post another time. Her vocal tract isn't optimally manipulated or shaped, which is why she did not achieve maximum resonance. I'm talking about sound output in a technical sense, not range. 6. Lie? Where are the lies though? You haven't yet proved me wrong. 7. If all her resonator chambers were balanced and fully activated, her resonance would sound as great as Barbra Streisand for example. Obviously, you can't hear that in her belts. Perfect resonance is an overstatement when I have heard other singers with the same anatomy of voice as hers who are able to maximize their resonance way more than HQS. Your biasness is showing tbh. I don't even like Sohyang's singing as I have mentioned once in this thread. I admitted that HQS is good, so I don't know why you're implying I'm full of it here. Again, lies. Poor technique can't produce good sound, unless you have untrained ears. Whitney's breath support was comparable of a normal opera singer, like Josias said. She maintained an even scale from bottom to top. Her sound output in her midbelts is one of the best. Her head voice was operatic, vibrant, clear and fully resonant. You're clearly not familiar with Whitney's technique. But do continue embarrassing yourself here. 1. Her voice is agile, and you've not done anything to prove your point other than stating that. 2. "In that performance" As a whole, she does, and I still don't hear ANY tense notes. 3, 4, and 5. It is fine, and unless you've got credentials better than someone such as Pan Naixian, you're not going to convince me otherwise. She sounds perfectly resonant, and her tone is fine. I find nothing to suggest that it isn't optimally resonant other than you are saying it isn't, while others say it is. 6. I would say that you're lying about the tone and resonance. 7. And Sohyang is as resonant as Babs? Again, if you take the time to read what I posted from a more credible source with better-informed information than what I believe either you or I can offer, you'll find there's nothing wrong with her resonance. Huang Qishan's head voice is operatic and vibrant and clear, too. Whitney had technical issues. She sounded good, not perfect, as I've said. But Huang Qishan has strained in all of the videos that you've showed us. Furthermore, you said that HQ's head voice was stronger than Sohyang if I remember correctly, that doesn't really matter as Sohyang's middle voice is incredibly strong and her tessitura is incredibly wide. The middle is the most important part of the voice and she never strains - unlike HQ - making her the better vocalist. Also, considering the fact that she's a Spinto Soprano her agility is great. Oooh, ad hominem, how sporting! No, she hasn't. I'm not even sure where you're getting that, to be honest. I don't recall me saying it was stronger. I've been making an effort not to compare here (and, if I did compare, oops). Huang Qishan doesn't strain, either, and frankly, I haven't heard her strain, but I'll allow that EVERYONE strains from time to time, so I'm not going to say that she (nor anyone else) has NEVER strained. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) oops quoted myself. Edited March 26, 2014 by KoreaxxLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 But you said she never strains, therefore this current post is contradictory to what you said in your previous post. #Swerve I'm allowing that she strains sometimes because I'm of the opinion no one is perfect every note. Personally, though, I don't hear strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 He did not once imply that, he was simply giving you an example of what HQ's resonance would sound like if she used her resonating chambers to their full potential. Get a grip. And, my point is, Sohyang's resonating chambers aren't blasting away like Babs, either, and the only reason I am commenting again is because Huang Qishan (rather erroneously) was attacked to make Sohyang look better. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 It would be excusable if it didn't happen so regularly. For example, Whitney Houston's sharp note in her early days was excusable because she didn't do it more than once, but in her later days her hot-mess vocals were totally not excusable. RIP to The Voice. Well obviously you need to educate yourself on what strain sounds like. No, I know what strain sounds like. I don't know THAT much about vocals, but I at least know that much, and she doesn't strain regularly, and saying she does is like me saying Sohyang has no head voice. Both are ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Lol bae, I said that cracking was healthier than strain and then you went ahead and tried to accuse me of saying it was a good thing. Don't try to spin this on me to save face. I don't see where my reading comprehension skills lack :o Lee Sun Hee's voice isn't shaking, that's her vibrato. But there's no need to bring up a third party into this "argument". "So I'd say she has more natural resonance than Sohyang (even if Sohyang resonantes technically as she should)." - literally, wth are you talking about? Sohyang resonating as she should be resonating is the most natural way of resonating. Now you don't even know what you're talking about. I've got Circle Theorems to solve, I'm no longer going to waste time with someone who doesn't value the true core of vocal pedagogy: the technique. Goodbye. Just a note on vocal technique: å•Š,我å¬åˆ°äº†ç»ˆæžçš„完美! æ–‡/潘乃宪 一生从事声ä¹ç ”ç©¶çš„æ½˜ä¹ƒå®ªæ•™æŽˆæ— æ•°æ¬¡å¤§å£°ç–¾å‘¼äººä»¬å…³æ³¨é»„ç»®çŠï¼šé»„ç»®çŠæ˜¯å£°ä¹æŠ€æœ¯æœ€å®Œç¾Žçš„典范，高音区的高度ã€åŠ›åº¦å’ŒéŸ³è‰²çš„å˜åŒ–ï¼Œæ²¡æœ‰äººèƒ½ä¸Žä¹‹åª²ç¾Žï¼ 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) She wasn't attacked; OP was simply giving a comparison. Furthermore, isn't Sohyang being attacked on the basis to make her seem vocally inferior to HQ? She strained in every single performance that was posted on this thread tho... You can type it until your fingers fall off, but that doesn't make it true. Not from me she's not. Edited March 26, 2014 by KoreaxxLove 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreaxxLove 194 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 I'm not Chinese, nor do I read Chinese, but thanks for highlighting that aspect of my post so I could fix my phone's auto correct . You can find someone to translate it for you if you wish. Basically, a longtime vocal coach in China who coaches vocals in university, is highly regarded, and has produced novels in the study of vocal technique and voice (and who specializes in Chinese style, bel canto style, and Western style singing), and has studied vocal technique for more than five decades (at least) praised Huang Qishan as being a model for vocal technique. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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