Shinki 5,610 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) On 10/3/2019 at 5:16 PM, munyuna said: Β seriously. i love discussions about vocal technique but does anyone seriously bother to read whole ass bibles in this thread? jesus I don't think so, just skipped everything Β __ Β anyways i have a question. Does not having one of your hearings affect your understanding of pitches at all? I feel like I can tell when the pitch changed but it's so messy other times. Edited October 14, 2019 by lgbtshinki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 12:49 AM, MightyBee said: I only read it if it's related to kpop...I don't really care about classical or opera singers... Β Β ...btw @lgbtshinkiΒ who's in your sig? you tagging failed so I didn't see It's Monsta X's Wonho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 With the stuff I've heard so far Bora is just overrated as a main vocal from Cherry Bullet for being able to yell high notes, nowadays that's the standard of the debuting groups. If you're able to just yell this high, then you're a main vocal. For more than I like rocket punch, they're also like that. On top of my head I can also mention cignature. It's like they aren't really caring for the technique at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 hours ago, WheeTaeLover said: Speaking of 4th generation groups, this is ONEUS, which is the junior group of MAMAMOO (being under the same company and whatnot).Β I love them as they're my most favorite male 4th generation group (debuted in 2019) and they have pretty vocal tones (especially Seoho), but I don't think any of them properly support? Keonhee seems to have issues with nasality and jaw tension (like look how he protruding his lower jaw when he sings) and for jaw tension, maybe Seoho to an extent (?), Leedo seems to have issues with airiness (I think there's a good chance that he's a baritone but with the airiness it's so hard to tell lol), and all or most of the members seemΒ to sing purely with their throats (which is notΒ support at all and bad technique lol). Xion is hard to tell because he doesn't get a lot of lines and Ravn is a rapper so I don't expect much lol. [Yeah, my mind is not working properly today lol] First top video: Seoho - blonde-haired dude in left bottom half; Leedo - navy blue-haired dude in right bottom half; Keonhee - middle in top half; Hwanwoong - middle in bottom half; Xion left in top half.Β Second bottom video: Seoho - black-hair dude in left bottom half; Leedo - dirty blonde-haired dude in right top half; Keonhee - silver-haired dude in middle top half; Hwanwoong - blonde-haired dude in left top half; Xion - orange-haired dude in middle bottom half.Β Just need help with clarification (as my mind is not working today).Β Thanks! Β Leedo is definitely baritone lol overall I think only Seoho really shows any support at all, Leedo sounds more relaxed than keonhee most times which is odd since heΒ has to go on top of his range sometimes. Here's more of them singing Here Leedo covering Seoho's lines which shows him definitely straining to reach the notes (lmao) if anything they just are as "vocally" prepared as any other idol debuted since like 2015, i'd put Seoho on Kihyun level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, BAZISSINO said: since 2015 ?there's some average tenors here and there like NCT 'Taeil,doyoung,jaehyun ) ,DK , Kihyun , one of the main of verivery is also average too and then there's Seungkwan who's like let me debut with supported G#4Β the one on the right can handle F#4sΒ there's also the Vromance tenor who is also averageΒ Β the up10tion mainΒ is also averageΒ Β Kihyun was on top of my mind at that moment, and I did specify that was "as prepared" which means there might be other average vocalists debuted since then (5 years in of course there is).Β Seungkwan is one of the best idol vocalists debuted since then, not arguing with that. DK arguably is Seoho's level afaik. If I have to make a sense of the mentioned (of those i know) Seungkwan > Kihyun > DK-Jaehyun-Taeil-Hwanhee-Seoho > Doyoung (not by much anyways). Doyoung is more of a stylistic vocalist tbh, really like his vocal tone but boy apparently skipped all breath support classes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ZRH23 said: Well, there isn't really any need to rank these vocalists if they're on such a similar level lol. It's just Seungkwan that hasΒ considerably better technique. Taeil is not consistent or just has not caught up with the good vocal habits that he had had early in his debut. I remember him having nice G#4s and decent placement up to A4 but that's abandoned now lol. Doyoung isn't that bad, when he's not purposely being airy, his support is pretty solid. He's had good moments too. Jaehyun I'd keep a closer eye on, it seems like he has better connection in his middle range but maybe it's just his deep voice lol Β Yeah i'm not exactly ranking, but if I had to say which have better moments or consistency i could arrange like this; it might be faulty though. Jaehyun seems to be pretty solid overall, and what you said about Taeil is very true. He has developed such bad habits, reminds me of Taeyeon tts debut circa (thankfully she came back to her better days). About Doyoung, yeah he's not bad even though it could be interpreted this way when I arranged the vocalists like that. But I do hear him straining more than Taeil pretty early on his range, could be wrong though. Hopefully SMNGG will have a better vocal line than NCT. Edit: welp i did say he skipped the classes but i was jokingΒ Edited April 21, 2020 by Shinki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 3 hours ago, BAZISSINO said: i''m okey with covers if they're done in solji style but just jumping on the trendy cover train is boring it was speechless then into the unknownΒ i just hate it so much lol especially the floppy tenors trying the original keyΒ Β we love a screaming compilation 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Late to the party 2: I can relate to Ahmin's tone. MyΒ voice sits pretty lightly on tone despite being a baritone 100%Β (and I have airiness problems due to my vocal chords condition, which even speaking for a long time can be a problem). Also not taehyun's clip also being here I got nightmares with that On 5/30/2020 at 4:31 AM, sweetwatermelon said: Joy support A3-A4 consistently than Krystal I mean shouldn't these two be somewhat at the same level of support? I don't think there's much of a difference at all. Joy can't project at all, she always seems so afraid of herselfΒ while singing. She's shallow, yes, but so is Krystal. They're like... the same. Edited May 31, 2020 by Shinki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Β 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 What yall think about CLC's Seunghee serving those screamo notes in Helicopter? Rockstar queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 1:29 PM, galhadineas said: at least she triedΒ Β u gurl no that hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 The problem I see with Jungwoo is the stylistic choice. It's like they want him to sound way too fragile, soft and so. I mean he already got a soft voice/tone so why go on and make him sound even MORE. It's not like he's got no support at all, but there are moments his pitch is all over the place. I don't remember which song was but on their Beyond Live there was a ballad and Jungwoo could not for the life of his stay in tune. Btw wasn't Taeil pretty much average... When did he got better?Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Can my fellas in here confirm if keonhee is hitting G#4s? That's what they sound to me, but I could be very wrongΒ By the way, he sounds pretty good lol more relaxed imoΒ Β Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said: no keonhee hit A4s and he sounds shallow in comparisonΒ with their strongest vocalist singing in the same range @1:20Β Ugh my first guess was A4 should've trusted my guts But yeah he does sounds shallow but less tense idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Hexox said: His tone is so pretty but why does he sound so tight? He sounds like he's trying to grab on something Β Like it was said in the clip maybe because it's been a while since he sang it, and I'm just throwing a guess here, he lost some proficiency on dealing with a language he isn't fluent so while singing trying to stay relaxed is a bit harder. I said guessing because of course he used to train before a lot more and overcome the language thing by practicing over and over. But that's just a guess again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) On 10/24/2020 at 12:52 PM, miracleggo said: this sounds live so i'm putting here lol. they put all nct's "vocal" line in one unit. i'm surprised jaehyun and jungwoo aren't here. jaehyun especially since he was promoted alongside taeil and doyoung as the "vocals" of nct. but then again i remember he's getting less and less lines each comeback lol. jungwoo is straight up underrated even by sm themselves even though the guy can actually support Β this is pre-recorded so I wouldn't put my bets on it Their music bank performance sounds the most "legit" live so I place my bets THERE. Their inkigayo performance didn't sound live LIVE either. Β edit: So lmao I was watching the tokopedia live and it sounds exactly like the MCD performance Β Edited October 26, 2020 by Shinki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 So we agreeing that Taeil > Doyoung > Jaehyun-Xiaojun > Jungwoo-Haechan, basically? I think that jungwoo still falls behind Haechan, but that may be because Jungwoo has not showed much at all and when he showed it tended to be messy. By the way, I thought Kun had some sense of support? It sounded like at least, to me. Shallow, but well. Β Here's a 100% real liveΒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 10/31/2020 at 7:41 PM, ZRH23 said: Plus, her enunciation and jaw tension hasnt gotten better but i dont think they hinder her much in the midrange area. Β it's actually ridiculous on her new album, I could barely stand it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Β okay wait is this his hightest "note" lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 We love 17 minutes of baritones straining in tenor language https://youtu.be/p-ALfDYBVUU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Hexox said: he sings like he's trying to imitate V ;;; very shallow voice he's not lmao he's really airyΒ but that's it, this is his actual tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 btw lets discuss the arguably best vocals to ever exist in 48G Β 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, Wdojcdid8 said: Omg PHilipIn0e PriDe uWu Β Reveal hidden contents If anyone thinks this is racist I'm Filipino lmao Β lmao you okay there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 hours ago, BAZISSINO said: oh i didn't know they created that same sys in other counties ...there's definitelyΒ more support engaged by those girls than the the Japanese group , the center one and the one who was singing at 1:59 Melody are the strongest , the 4rd video isn't live there's some parts where they get caught .. i think it prerecorded or somthing yup they have in thailand, philipines, vietnam, indonesia & teams in taipei and shanghai. There would be teams in Delhi and Mumbai but it's on hold cuz of corona lol But yeah some of these girls can sing and pretty damn well. Sheki is an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinki 5,610 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, naomi24 said: Also, too lazy to backtrack, but what was the vocal ranking for NCT vocalists? I saw some people saying Taeil in reddit, but who's after him? If you look back a few pages you'll find us discussing just that but i'll spare for what I remember Taeil > Doyoung > Jaehyun-Xiaojun > Jungwoo-Yuta >Β Haechan (arguably) Edited November 23, 2020 by Shinki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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