Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[C.Y.]

ah ok thanks. Perhaps I'm not used to deeper female voices or different styles lol. It doesn't sound as powerful as Ailee's too.

 

That woman has a larger voice than Ailee.

[C.Y.]

I don't get how people can hate low notes...there's an unhealthy obsession with high notes in contemporary singing. I like high notes myself, but to the point that you have a terrible lower register and sound hilariously weak when using the low to lower-middle area of your voice? Meh. That's just as bad as having a strained upper register to me.

[C.Y.]

this is Ann's song actually lol Originally and yes he's a baritenor according to Josias and his sources, to me he's a type of dark tenor or baritenor, but definitely not a true baritone.

Yeah to me he's always been a tenor, there is no chance he is a lyric baritone which he's listed as on the front page. The only thing that really confuses people is that his voice is darker than most of the bright tenors you hear, and people always think dark means baritone or lower. His weight is light as hell, his placement and tessitura has always been that of a tenor's since he was young. Another huge pointer is that his lower register is relatively weak, even for a tenor. I don't think I've heard him support below C3 properly, let alone resonate. His live performances of one of his songs (don't know what it's called in English) with B2s are always barely audible, and not in a stylistic way either. I've heard him trail down to a G2 for a split second in a duet and it was also just reaaally whispery.

[C.Y.]

That needs to be corrected. Neither he nor Rain are baritones, they're darker types of tenors but they're certainly not baritones. People have to stop linking weight to voice type, placement is more important. I mean if your voice is thick but it sits in a higher tessitura naturally, you're not a baritone... like Park Hyo Shin's voice isn't even that heavy, it's dark in color but it's light in tone... like again me case, my voice is bright but it's heavy and is placed lower than a tenors, it's quite obvious if u hear me sing.... oh yeah it is not that strong I've heard him sing A2 and it wasnt bad but it was not like baritone-like.. not like John Park lol OH G2?! WHERE.

 

 

one is at 2:03, I think the "GO back" is a G2 and A2. It's hard to make out though, very airy.

second one at 4:23

 

I'm pretty sure John Legend is a baritone who is popular in contemporary music. He seems good too, he makes weird stylistic choices sometimes but I've heard him resonant from around G2-G#4 live.

G#4 at 4:25, Bb2 at 5:04

 

Edited July 20, 2014 by C.Y.

[C.Y.]

On a side note, I thought this was a splendid performance by Eric Nam. I was going to mention that he had nice low notes too, but Uji went down to C#3 and Eric only down to D3 so... I'm going to eat my words a little haha

 

 

haha, I used to talk to him in the soompi performers forum when we were teenagers posting up our singing. Cool to see him living out his dream.

[C.Y.]

Freddie Mercury was a tenor, so is Bolton for sure. I lean more towards Hwanhee being a heavier tenor.

Edited September 10, 2022 by C.Y.

[C.Y.]

Kingdom hearts? That was sooo 12 years ago.

 

**** I'm old.

[C.Y.]

i remember my little sister got 0.1 on that pitch test...but she has perfect pitch so she's cheating, F her.

[C.Y.]

 

Sounds to me as much of a baritone as Park Hyo Shin, in other words, not at all.. lol at least not to me that is

I skimmed through some of his performances and he sounds completely baritone to me, he has good lower and middle notes and has ease singing in the 2nd and lower 3rd octave. His voice has a better ring to it from low to mid; his mix is thin and light at G#4, he'd have much more ease keeping even tone quality if he was a tenor. 

 

As a tenor Park Hyo Shin's voice is better in his upper range, he wouldn't be able to sing that song well at all because his lower range is too weak and the Kim guy is comfortably singing A2-G2-F2 in the verses.

[C.Y.]

Actually wow okay sorry, ignore me. It was 3 am last night and I was running really low on energy. I could be totally wrong, he could very well be a baritone and I could be wrong, I'm listening back and although I find his F2 G2 area of his voice to be a little too weak for a baritone, it's very possible that he is one based on where his voice shines in the upper mix and where it sounds high for him... I mean cuz I remember he can hit A4's too so Idk he could very well be a baritone. C.Y. you're right sorry, I think he could be a baritone but based on only one song I'm not entirely sure because he doesn't sound like a lyric baritone to me, like Key, Park Jung Min, Jang Beom-Jun, John Park....they're all very lyric sounding to me and Kim Dong Ryul might not be as lyric so I'm not sure what his voice type is, but he might very well be a baritone yes. You're very right no, Park Hyo Shin and this guy absolutely do not have the same voice type and I apologize that I said they did.

lol no need to apologize   , I only thought so when I saw him do some Ab4s live. I was unsure based on the one studio recording.

 

It sucks that there aren't enough good baritones to compare other baritones with. Technically a very well developed baritone voice can mix around Ab4-Bb4 perfectly, which is like when a good tenor mixes around C5-D5 properly. But finding even a good tenor is rare, so finding a good baritone is even rarer seeing as how baritones in the contemporary music industry are as common as short people in the NBA. 

[C.Y.]

Okay,this is a serious question..what does SoHyang hit and how is it in this video around the end of the videos I think? LOL

 

 

Ouch, all those male singers should not even be attempting Michael Bolton's shit.

[C.Y.]

 

 

OMG he should just start recording a full album with just re-arrangements of this song LOL

 

HAHAHA

 

I swear it's like he wakes up singing that song everyday and before he goes to sleep ever since SG Wannabe was big in the mid 2000s. Those TV channels probably don't even think he is relevant to show unless he is singing that song over and over. I feel like a dick now though because that guy in his group committed suicide and he may be always singing that song in remembrance or something, idk. 

Edited October 12, 2014 by C.Y.

[C.Y.]

Now I realize... He's singing with no problems on C4.... Is he truly a bass?

 

basses can sing C4, very good ones can even manage around F4.

[C.Y.]

A4 like I said. C5 is like a G5/F#5 area

I look at C5 as the tenor note and G5 for a soprano as well.

[C.Y.]

Hwanhee has a way thicker and lower placed voice... I still think Hwahee is just a baritone who sings high cuz he still sounds too heavy to even be lyric but idk he could be a dramatic tenor lol jk but yeah baritenor or not, Michael Bolton doesnt sound like him

Honestly him being a low tenor is way more likely imo. I don't think Hwanhee sounds like a lyric baritone either, but he's not a dramatic baritone because that's what I am and I'm familiar with what they sound like. The way he sings in the second octave doesn't suggest he's a baritone, he also mixes up to C5 and C#5 live, though strained it still sounds like a tenor straining and not a baritone straining. I have a highly classically trained tenor friend who has heard him and said he sounds like a tenor as well. 

[C.Y.]

So Im subscribed to this guy who sadly only has 2 subscribers but has subscribed to me like tonight.. I dont remember when I subscribed to him but anyway he posted this and hey for some reason we all missed that fact that PARK HYO SHIN CAN FUCKING HIT G6 SAY WHAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKW7QWxL1hI

C2 ~ G6 for male ranges, including Chen's Fry C2

am I going deaf? I'm hearing a strained D5, not a G6   poor sound quality though.

[C.Y.]

Actually guys I think it's not G6, it sounds like A6 to me...

 

you're talking about the very end of the video right? The highest note I'm hearing is a D5 in mixed voice 

[C.Y.]

I guess Hwanhee really isn't far from a tenor =3

 

Both Bolton and Hwanhee sound completely like low tenors to me, Hwanhee being even lower (heavier). Personally I avoid labeling contemporary singers too specifically, so I just call anyone that could potentially be spinto or heavier, if they actually sang opera, a low tenor, and anyone possibly lyric or lighter would be a high tenor. 

[C.Y.]

wow I didn't know Pokemon was still big. I played pokemon red on my gameboy when I was a little kid. There were like 150 pokemon back then...now there are like...15,000 or whatever, like how the **** can you catch em all.

 

off topic, so..I umm..like singing. 

Edited November 23, 2014 by C.Y.

[C.Y.]

I noticed the OP listed Hwanhee as a baritenor. Since it seems to be a mix of baritone and tenor, where exactly do you think the range of a baritenor would be? 

baritenor is slang used for contemporary singers, musical theatre or in more casual classical settings where they need a tenor who has a darker sound or a baritone who can sing high. It's also used in opera as a placeholder for young singers (20s is still young) with developing voices.  

 

But if you are a pro opera singer, there is no such thing as a baritenor. It's not a proper fach; it's been used before in some circumstances but biologically speaking, they were just heavier tenors who were needed because they had a certain color to their voice. The closest terms that are used now are heldentenors and dramatic tenors, who are biologically the same in weight and tessitura except they sing different opera with different style.

 

so if Hwanhee was trained to sing opera he would just fall somewhere in spinto or dramatic/helden, though it's pointless to call someone so specifically if his technique is inconsistent in his upper mix, so I'm just gonna say he's a low tenor. It's definitely not like his voice is lower and heavier than dramatic tenors or something.

 

Lower tenors have noticeably lower tessituras than lyric tenors, that's why you need to be careful if you're judging dudes with heavier voices vs lighter voices. Hwanhee singing around C5 isn't the same as Park Hyo Shin singing around C5, because PHS's voice is high and relatively light. 

[C.Y.]

wooooo u kill it girl. thank u. So help me out since u seem to have some sense, u also think that Hwanhee is either a baritone who sings too high or a tenor with a thick voice right? I actually wouldn't disagree that he's a heavy tenor...so what should we call him? A low tenor? Cuz if he's not trained classically, I think it's only fair to call him that, don't you think? I was actually thinking about being less specific in the analyses altogether and just call some people "low" or "high" because you can't be 100% if they're not trained in order to fulfill the role of a specific fach... don't you think?

I'd call him a low tenor, he sounds like one and his tessitura is like one (in between high baritones and high tenors). He has a tenor's squillo, you wouldn't hear the same sound in a baritone's resonance on very high notes. It's like if you compare a soprano's high notes to a mezzo singing the same notes.

 

someone posted him doing B4 along with the Bolton video, the note was very tense but it still had a noticeable amount of chest in it. If a baritone was that tense on a B4, it would sound very thin and heady. You seriously need excellent support by opera standards to be a heavy baritone bringing your weight up that high, you can't possibly have tension and still have noticeable weight on B4.

Even the best operatic baritones stop at A4 in performances, I can think of a few who have done Bb4s, and just one off the top of my head that did a B4.

[C.Y.]

Yes 

 

He trained to become one. Some people say that it's unhealthy to do that, but then others will bring him up. 

 

Domingo is a tenor naturally though. Quite a lot of tenors started off as baritone because were young and misidentified. He's chosen to go back and sing baritone stuff over the last few years, but it doesn't make him a baritone now just because he feels like it lol. He clearly sounds like a tenor singing baritone arias and it doesn't sound at all as intended by the composer or anywhere near as good as a great baritone singing the same stuff, but he can get away with it because he's popular I guess...

[C.Y.]

 

 

Is this song sung in piano, pianissimo or mezzopiano? or forte? lol

 

it's sang in whisperissimo

 

Good movie by the way, lol

[C.Y.]

I hear A6 but I now also heard that D5 you mentioned, it's like a further away sound and it's because he pulled back the mic and so now I'm thinking Park Hyo shin has no A6 and that the A6 we hear is an interference of sound as opposed to him singing in whistle and I do hear a strained mixed D5

 

oh that's good, thought my hearing might've been going bad 

[C.Y.]

 

oh shit, did Hwanhee finally do a good C5 at 1:02? They were singing in unison though, so I can't hear it clearly...and there's a loudass backing track of his own singing playing at the same time as well lol. I skimmed through the last few pages btw, if we are trying to be specific then I agree with you on the other dudes, but I still think Hwanhee is something lower like around a spinto tenor with inconsistency issues.