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Nah, Hyunsun needs to stay around with that deep voice of his.

 

 

 

 

just at 0:29. Is he straining, or is there just not enough support (despite him holdin it for a while)? His vibrato sounded pretty steady so I'm questioning the strain lol...(don't ask about what was really goin on lol)

Yes, it is a strain. It can be a permement strain even he does the so call 100% supported note.
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every vein was at attention LOL! I was just wondering because I know often with strain, your vibrato gets messed up, but his was pretty steady still.

I dunno the vein will tell you anything about the strain. The only thing I can tell if he does it again. It can be solved just by clearing his throat.
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I'm not sure but I remember hearing that if you're relaxed you wouldn't get so many veins at attention.

 

When I do people vocal recording, I don't take a notice on the veins.

It is easy to tell whether they are straing by looking at the shoulder, next thing is facial.

However, I don't look at people while recording, I listen to the tone.

If something not right, I look at the person.

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Thanks everyone. Looks like 2ne1 is really doomed in terms of good vocalists.

 

Minzy is stills young, she has time to improve.

 

lol they are.

actually even though Minzy is bad she's actually the best vocalist in 2ne1.

2NE1 is not gonna change the way they sing. It is their trademark voice.

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That didn't make any sense. They don't need to play with dynamics. They just need to support their singing - less pitch problems automatically.

I don't watch a lot of 2NE1 performance, I don't like the way they sing.I dunno whether they really tried to "support" their singing. But going through many solo concert, I assume this is what they want to do it. I base on what I see on their comeback every time.

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They cannot support their singing with bad techniques.

 

They don't hurt themselves, it is fine. It is "bad" technique to a particular group of vocal professional, but it is never in production. You must know 2NE1 beside their appearance, it is their voice too. When 2NE1 debut, you know tons of fan grew from the way of singing. It is very "cool" singing for them.

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Bad techniques hurts their vocal cords.

 

The 2nd sentence doesn't make sense. How does bad vocal techniques relates to the production of a song?

 

I have argue a lot time in this thread. Anything say in the OP is final, but to me I have different viewsl. What you thought is a bad technique, it is a fine to many professional and industry in general. Do you really think 2NE1 got hurt the way they sing?

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Even if you think their vocals are good enough for recording, it doesn't mean that their technique is good. They'll still hurt themselves with bad technique.

 

Couldn't it have been their songs and how they presented themselves rather than how they sang that got them fans?

 

Do you ever see a 2NE1 fan vocal instructor sing the 2NE1 did? Also you see Blackjacks alway try to imitate  2NE1 singing..

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When did a vocal instructor sing the way 2NE1 did? Show me please? I would think that a real vocal instructor would still sing with good technique.

 

It's not like you have to like their singing to want to cover their songs. They have some pretty good songs. 

 

Not everyone knows about healthy singing and so a lot of people sing however they think is "okay" for them. 

It is my friend, she don't do youtube. Of cos, she sing with good pitching , rhythm ....etc with 2NE1 tone. She only sing like that when she fangirling alone or with her friends.

About "healthy" singing you need to find out yourself, especially in Kpop. If you are vocalist or learning, you need to understand why people keep singing like this. You really know tons of kpop idols singing is rated very low in this thread.

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She's mediocre - I'm pretty sure she's better than Jessica. She's nasal, she does OK in her comfort zone, she has no lower register, she uses falsetto, and her three high notes are whiny and strained.

 

 

 

 

Of course the way that the girls in 2NE1 sing has hurt them. Before 2NE1 debuted, Bom was bad, now she's horrendous. She's literally destroyed her vocal cords and cannot even connect her notes together. Once again, Kongwee, you have proved you know next to nothing about vocal technique, and you use your "knowledge" of the music industry to back up your false points. Please, leave this thread.

 

Ignore this kongwee comments from now on, as you can see he's a joke, don't take his comments seriously, if you imitate how Bom sang her signature E5 and F5, you'll realize it hurts your vocal cords.

 

he also said kpop idols is rated very low in this thread didn't make any sense either because tons of western singers got the same treatment here, only some of them got the praise. the same applies to korean vocalists lol, only some of them got the praise.

 

whether we like them or not has nothing to do with vocal techniques. even some of us stan mediocre vocalists lol.

 

Both of you just wanna argue with me. You guys know nothing happen in the industry outside classroom. You just lock yourself to your own belief and practice. Backing by "vocal-pedagogy" to make yourself glorified and passing misconception to reader here. Also I do not know about Bom singing, I only generalized 2NE1 as a whole not individual. Unless you show me clip, I wouldn't understand anything.

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I do not care who you argued with. You do not know 2NE1 themselves. Have you heard Bom pre debut? Have you heard her now? There's a big difference.

 

 

What I think is a bad technique? It's not what I think. To me, I do not even care about techniques when liking music. Doesn't mean there's no bad techniques. It's a given that 2NE1 uses bad techniques.

Predebut don't mean a thing. What important is after debuting. I don't like her singing, does that mean I will follow you guys and give bad rating. No way. It doesn't work you guys dictating. Well Bom or 2NE1 is not gonna change how they sing. They only need to work to refine what they whatever they are doing. 2NE1 "bad technique" don't hurt themselves that good enough. Their voice doesn't degrade over course of time. They only get refine or better tone. In other perceptive, why labeled bad techniques when it doesn't hurt?

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First of all, predebut - bad to current - horrendous shows how much bad techniques damages singing. Secondly, who the hell told you I don't like 2NE1's singing?

 

Gawd I can't even with the stupidity of yours. First you create pointless arguments in the akp vocal thread and now here. Your pointless stupid arguments are gonna be ignored from now on, so don't even bother replying to me.

Pointless and stupid? 2NE1 already break what you believe or practice.

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Geez. Of course bad techniques hurt, why do you think Xtina sounds like she shitting a building?!

Why do you think Bom sounds like a corks been shoved up her throat?

Bad techniques hurt a lot. And if you keep using one then your voice will ultimately be butchered.

Who is Xtina? And how you know Bom hurt? She alway been singing in that tone/technique for entire career. It is only clearer and brighter over time.

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Oh yeah? Link me one performance where they have not gone offkey. And link me where they resonated? If you cannot. Then eff off.

haha..... I said earlier they need to work on pitch,rhythm, dynamic.... The only thing I do not agree with is they way they sing were not hurt them.  Again resonate term is completely misuse here. They are singing and they are not resonating? Who that person define that......

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Christina Aguliera

 

See this is the point. Bom HAS NOT been singing in that tone/technique for her entire carreer. She has gotten worse over the years.

I'm sorry no it hasn't cleared or brightened over time, it's got worse.

She alway sing in that bright tone, you wanna deny that, that you.

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