Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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19 hours ago, fire_dagwon said:

Hey guys! I'm pretty new here so I don't know if this has been discussed before (I couldn't find any relevant posts even after I searched for them) but I just wanted to ask who are the true baritones in k-pop and Korean music as a whole right now? I of course used to think the usual suspects (V, Jaehyun, Sungjae, Seungyoon, Hwanhee, Hyunmin, Youngjae) were baritones, but they've gotten re-examined in recent years and I believe the current consensus is that most if not all of the previously thought baritones are actually tenors. 

I guess that leaves John Park, Roy Kim, Hwang Chi Yeul, Han Dong Geun, and maybe Ko Woo Rim of Forestella...? Ko Woo Rim is definitely more debatable and honestly I don't think Han Dong Geun is a baritone, so that just leaves John Park, Roy Kim, and Hwang Chi Yeul?

Are you guys sure that Seungyoon is a tenor? I have seen him used headvoice on F4 and I honesty don't think tenors can use the upper register that low.

 

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4 hours ago, RATY said:

If Hwanhee wasn't a baritone, what would his rank be?

He can produce open notes up to G#4 but he generally has a slightly rough style in mixed voice, he doesn't have a supporting head voice. How much does his A2 help him? G#4 isn't that impressive if he's not a baritone.

I don't know how much gap there is with the lyric tenor .

 

Chen had A2-A4 and is at Competent to Good, so I will say with his strong support he would be Competent if he isn't a baritone. Although Hwanhee to me is still a baritone, his Bb3/B3 sound like mixed note to me.

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29 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Aside from the clip RATY showed, the head voice thing is a bit of an inconclusive thing as far as vocal typing goes. Some can bring their head voice to the 3rd octave even. 

Really? Do you have any examples of that?

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2 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

 Not in artists, I only heard from other people. There's no point of doing that musically speaking haha, I was just saying that tenors transitioning into head voice at their passagio is still defo possible. 

people can only start using the upper register around  their second passaggi, right? Around the first passaggi is where you start mixing and around the second passaggi is where you start using your upper register, is that not true?

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1 hour ago, ZRH23 said:

For the males, we have 2 pretty close passagi. Tenors’ would be around C#4/D4 at their first one, then E4/F4 at their second one. Give or take one semitone depending on the weight of the tenor’s voice. 
 

For baritones, the passagi would be Bb3/B3 and C#4/D4, more or less. If anybody here knows better, do correct me but I do think this is the general rule. But depending on how you sing, you might not hear that much of a difference even as you climb up. You’d need to know what you’re looking for to hear properly. That’s why for these heavier tenors, the best way to determine their voice types isn’t how they sound at the baritones’ passagio (C#4/D4) but rather, at the tenors’ passagio (F4ish). Because these tenors can still have some respectable amount of output at C#4 area cuz it’s their first passagio anyways, if they go full chest then they’d still sound pretty heavy. But baritones singing at F4/F#4 would be rather distinct. 

 

Wait didn't KVA say that tenor's passaggi is around D4/Eb4 and G#4/A4 and baritone's passaggi is around Bb3/B3 and Eb4/E4?

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1 hour ago, Tsukimono said:

Yeah it only mentions lyrics tenors and baritones but D4/Eb4 and G#4/A4 sound so high(if that's the case I'm prob not a tenor then)..

I thought the general consensus was C4/C#4-F4/F#4 for tenors in general

I mean Ahmin is a vocal trainer, he also went to Musicians Insitute, I don't think he would get the passaggi wrong that much. I mean it's basic knowledge and there're probably many books write about it as well.

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20 minutes ago, BabyKBK said:

I don't know these vocalists much but Key, Kai and Felix all sound like the standard tenor. There are many light tenors who can sing up and down the second octave and there's a lot of sopranos too (Beyonce is an obvious example). Being able to do low notes does not mean you are a mezzo or a baritone. 

The best way to identify baritones is by listening to true baritones for example Scott Hoying and hearing where their voices increase in intensity/need to thin out. 

You can also filter out most untrue mezzos and baritones quickly by putting them against other sopranos or tenor

When you put Lee Hi against heavier sopranos she clearly does not handle A4-B4 more intense than the others.

She even sounds like the lightest voice there.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't Lee Hi use a heady mix though? A4-B4 for mezzo is like B4-C#5 for soprano and I have heard Sopranos have ease in that range with heady mix ike Ningning.

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11 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

G#4/A4 seems a bit too high for their second passagi lol. E4/F4 might be more of a lower tenor’s passagi but I think F4/F#4/G4 is the general one for tenors. Baritones’ would be around C#4~Eb4ish, depending on the weight. 

I'm also think A4 is a bit high, from what i have observed G4 seem to be tenor's 2nd passaggi.

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59 minutes ago, Haewonistaa said:

Hi ! First time posting here.

I want to ask how is Jung Dongha doing these days? I've seen questionable moments from him 

2:58

7:00

https://youtu.be/Uv1hMG_vip0

3:32 

 

the notes you mentioned are outside of his supported range if I'm not mistaken

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1 hour ago, rere9991 said:

Yea i'm pretty sure that's who they're talking about lol So wait i'm not the only one who think Sootzubae is questionable?! So how would guys rank the 4th gen high w-a girls (KariSelle, Nmixx girls sans LilyHaewon, Swan, Songsun, Boeun, etc..)? Also recently they bumped Sullyoon & Loona's Yves into average tier do you guys agree with that?

For me they are not there yet but they are quiet close to Avarage so that can go either ways I guess, High W-A or Low A isn't much difference anyways. What makes that channel questionable is they give the Undeveloped like Yeji support.

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Hi, I wanna ask is there any agile baritone vocalist?

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17 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

Pentatonix's Scott

Thanks, also can you recommend some performances that display his agility since I'm not farmiliar with him

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 How was Seungyoon's headvoice in this performance? I think he carry support up to Eb5

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On 2/8/2023 at 10:27 PM, nana_moon said:

is rockhyun still as good as he used to be?

He seems to be the same, still supports up to A4. He also have a youtube channel where he posts covers quiet often.

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On 4/12/2023 at 11:21 AM, BAZISSINO said:

Drop the channel link

Edit : just found it ,just learned that they left top media and rebranded their group as Fave1 but it only for Japanese activities 

Well I guess you've found it but this is for the ones who are unable to 

He post covers quiet often but I recommend check his fancam since he's less stylistic there 

 8:48 10:03 10:48 very nice G#4 

 

19 hours ago, nana_moon said:

they also only released like 1 song as Fave1 as far as i know..........Rockhyun at least had a solo debut, but it's very low budget, being a 100% fan in 2023 is hard

Tbh at this point I'm just glad that they're still together and peforming despite what the group has been through.