Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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this is a new girl band that debuted  yesterday and I'm pretty sure their vocalist can support what do you guys think?

Edited December 31, 2020 by jaedimps

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On 12/31/2020 at 2:06 PM, ZRH23 said:

I can't play the video. What's the name of the group?

rolling quartz

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new clip of winter singing is her support weak?
https://twitter.com/aespapicss_/status/1344883980907073536

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On 1/2/2021 at 12:34 AM, BAZISSINO said:

not sure how that weak lol sure it not extraordinary open notes but she still support ...people always hype the weak vocalists but when a vocalist support they gt suspicious , she sounds very similar to rosé on those Bb4s still less shaky , airy and less stylistic even here in a not very ballad belt it out song which is a good point for her 

I was just asking.... Im not a vocal expert  
kinda funny someone commented with a clown emoji like what... do you guys think I was shading her 
she actually sounds nice to me but then again I'm not an expert and there arent many vocalists who can support in this new generation...

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How is swan the other main vocalist of the group doing (the first one to sing)? I know goeun can support already
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Edited February 4, 2021 by jaedimps

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1 hour ago, Kami the II. said:

They are Mamamoo's junior group. What do you think of them?

Rapunzel, Mulan & Merida sounded nasal to me, the latter was also a bit throaty. 

mulan and moana are their main vocals so even if mulan sounded nasal the rest (with maybe the exception of moana) are probably more nasal

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I was wondering is the chorus all yelled out? (just a curious baekhyun fan not trying to shade him) 0:50-1:17 sounds kinda yelled out to me and throaty for the most part.. but maybe I'm wrong
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Edited March 30, 2021 by jaedimps

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I swear people in this thread are something else... I was asking a question but someone reacted with the clown emoji... just answer the question then...

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On 4/1/2021 at 3:10 PM, BAZISSINO said:

No not everything is yelled he's singing with a bit of push but the G#4s are supported the A4s carry some tension but there's support behind,  the B4s and C#5 are strained.....I mean there's like 5 vocalists or so who can handle B4 and even then they push it sometimes including kyuhyun ryeowook  sandeul even the mighty jung dongha and I'm sorry for the late response 

its ok thank you!!

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hello can someone tell me how is she doing here 10:11-11:20
her low notes sound very pleasant to my untrained ears but idk if they are supported I'm curious about that
and I just want to know how is her sense of support in general since it sounds nice to me but I can't tell for sure if someone supports or not

 

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34 minutes ago, Hexox said:

I love Rina omg

The G#3 (take @10:19) was airy though. The G#3 at the end was not bad at all (niiii @10:21) but she slightly lowered her larynx for the F#3 (iiight) Lowered larynx and dropped her support @10:35. @11:15 again airy A3/G#3s

She's inconsistent. Sometimes she keeps her tonality and sometimes she lets too much air get through her vocal cords. I know Rina and she sings with a slightly lowered larynx in order to sound mature, maybe that's why she's inconsistent. I don't think she had a strong sense of support for these notes

Is she inconsistent mostly with low notes? how is she doing in the chorus?

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can someone tell me what note is that 2:28 asking because it seems like she is having trouble with it
also I wonder how can you guys tell notes apart like did you guys practice with the piano or something (or do you all just have a good musical ear lol)

 

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26 minutes ago, TaeYerin_sss... said:

Oh no love most people use either a piano and match the pitch or if they don't have one, a pitch application. So for phone, I use DaTuner which is quite accurate, but since it's an app it has a hard time catching phrased notes or notes with heavy background music.

If you don't have a piano, onlinepianist.com/virtual-piano works wonders. You still need time to adjust your ears to matching pitch but it works. Telling pitch by raw ear is not something easy to do at all.

That shitty guitar is getting in the way of my app tuners so they ain't catching the notes I also tried isolating the vocals and they're still acting up like why, y'all have one job. That's the issue with these apps, they're usually accurate but inconsistent.

Based on the piano I think it's either a C#5 or a D5.

Goeun doesn't support past B4 so yeah, it's tight. 

 

4 minutes ago, Hexox said:

 

It's a B4

She struggled with it because her agility is not great and the vowel was closed

thank you both! 

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2 hours ago, himi said:

found this. they include 4th gen on honorable mentions too 

 

@15:10 i never knew stray kids had a decent vocalist lol too bad he's no longer in the group

I absolutely love how EXO took over almost all the top spots.. also Idk if anyone is familiar with a.c.e but this video says chan is like average to above average and I wonder if it's actually true... What do you guys think?

 

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4 hours ago, C.Y. said:

there's much more tenors in general, not just kpop, because the basic view of what makes a male singer "skilled" is being able to sing into the middle of the fourth octave, at the least, or higher/much higher. So this ends up being largely advantageous for tenors because even intermediate skill tenors (or even ones more towards an incredibly average/beginner-ish level like Jay Park or Jaehyun) can make it much easier professionally, since it is way easier for companies/record labels to find a tenor who can sing up to G4-A4 and be in this area consistently/often as opposed to finding a baritone to do this, which would be far more difficult.

anyway sorry Jaehyun is actually a tenor too. I checked him out the other day and did some lazy listening so I thought he might have been a baritone, since I couldn't find much of his singing at all above D4 and I listened to stuff like "a whole new world" or whatever. I tried to listen to his speaking voice, but no the median pitch of his speaking voice is actually tenor as well overall, besides some random interview I first listened to with him speaking tired and around F#2/G2 but other than that it is around the average pitch for tenors. And thanks to the clips that ZHR posted, it is very obvious that he is just a tenor who barely ever sings high.

 

wait so does that mean jaehyun is not even average?

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5 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

I think it would given he doesn't support up to an F4.

well Idk if he is actually not a bartione but if that's true then I'm sad... Jaehyun is my fav nct vocalist

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9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

 

How are y'all just catching this now lmao. Yes, Haechan is a main vocal in general for NCT. Maybe in 127, he acts more like a lead vocal along with Jaehyun (cuz the gap with Doyoung/Taeil is pretty obvious and utilized) but he's always been put up as part of the main vocal line along the 3 others. Like in Coming Home. 

Plus, he's the 'main' main vocalist of NCT Dream and whenever he's on NCT U, it's been that way tor a while. NCT 127 is prolly the most prominent one amongst the other units, their positions in this one is the same in the others. Same as to how Xiaojun is the main vocal in WayV, and is a main vocal of NCT in general as well. It makes sense when you have 23 members .

They do make sense, it just so happens that Haechan isn't particularly strong in vocal technique along with Jaehyun. But I mean... He's not THAT bad, we've heard much worse as main vocalists. They both are still around weak-to-average anyways, some other groups just flat out weak. They both provide something new to the table at least.

So Jaehyun and Haechan are around the same level suddenly? thought Haechan didn't support at all tbh

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3 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

Perhaps I worded that too carelessly bout Jaehyun. No, he isn't on the same level. But his approach above E4 (or around that) is not consistent enough yet to really know if his mix is underdeveloped for a tenor or not. He has shown nice moments, but also some tenser, less impressive moments around F#4/G4. And he doesn't sing there often. He can either do it, or he might go too soft above Eb4. I'd rather him be in an ambiguous area for now, he might show more in the future. But W to A is the bare, bare minimum for him. Either way, he's not on the same level, C#3~Eb4/E4 at least is still stronger and more consistent than anybody else in that category.

And yes, Haechan does support. Shallow but it can still be present till F#4 or so (inconsistently).

This clip for example, especially at @0.26.

 

 

 

ngl its still very hard for me to tell if someone can support well sometimes. I can mostly tell when someone is struggling with high notes but when it comes to low notes unless they are baek yerin airy level its hard for me to tell... so I was wondering is there any way to train your ear to identify support more easily? I know it probably takes time but I wish I could tell if someone can support or not by myself...

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5 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

I wouldn't say there's any shortcut or anything, you just have to recognize certain sounds first. Listen to the more technically proficient vocalists and know what you are hearing. I did that at first (I very much sucked at judging male voices especially, don't search for my 2016 comments lmao) and gradually tried to cover more varieties. Thing is, no vocalist is ever exactly the same, and their techniques likewise. But if you can get used and familiarize on how the more advanced vocalist do, it's easier to get an understanding on how certain aspects of a vocalist can get better or what is lacking in general.

I'm not talking bout people like Whitney Houston or Lara Fabian necessarily lol, it would be hard to relate to kpop vocals then. 

Also, learning the difference between 'strained' and 'supported' notes can help to an extent, but it's not that simple unfortunately. There's a lot more than just two descriptions for a singer's note, and it could easily have been a bad day or a fluke. People can strain D5 pretty badly for example, but it's not like they'll sound that way throughout their registers at every note. 

Try to listen to the Proficient category so to speak, and above that. Everybody in that area should have a nice, developed sense of support in their midrange. Those blog analysis can help but it also might be better for you to listen and decide for yourself. People hear things differently and it's not always right or wrong. We shouldn't just listen to people's analysis just cuz it sounds nice, convincing evidence would make a far better argument. 

If you want to practice or something, try listening out to Wendy, Eunji, Taeyeon and Jimin. Compare the similarities and the rather drastic differences as well lol. 

Ngeh, people suddenly being experts at the stuff is nothing new. It wouldn't be so bad if only they were up for discussion rather than just being very certain about their own opinions. I can't say for certain that anybody on here is trained and whatnot, but we're all learning something every day and as such, new opinions or revelations come up. 

Another telltale sign would be if they spend a lot of time praising the main vocal but just absolutely shits on the rest lmao. Their praises also have little to do with technique in itself, just a lot of vague descriptions on what their voice sounds like. Examples are hardly provided and rarely at a timestamp where we can all clearly hear it. Like @Orianesaid, all the terms you'd typically hear would be mentioned but in a way that...doesn't really make sense lol. 

I mean... I've read on people's complaints bout this OH thread. All I can say is at least there's still discussions here lmao. 

Well I do listen to wendy and Taeyeon like all the time considering Taeyeon is my ult bias  and red velvet is my fav gg lol also EXO and SHINee are my fav bgs (I literally stan almost every sm group tbh) so yeah its not like I'm not exposed to pretty good vocalists but I guess I will try to listen to differences between vocalists who can actually support and those who can't I'm just not quite sure how does support sounds like at times lol

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2 hours ago, Shinki said:

 

let's comment on this and the [gunshots] girlie hitting the arguably hightest note in eurovision history

my destiny queenie squeezing and pushing to high heavens that high note you fucking go girl you've got it

what's that supposed to mean... 

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9 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

not just his prime he still has one mysterious good B4 in studio @3:34 ....this is why i still have hopes for his mix maybe after his military service 

 

oh I didn't know about this.. Taemin improving his mix would be great I really hope so too.. Wish he could develop his lower register as well but I don't really have high hopes for this tbh

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A longer video of the new cube main vocals... what do you guys think? do they seem like the typical cube gg vocal wise for now? 
 

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1 hour ago, ZRH23 said:

 

There others who could do just as much as Yebin does on G#4s so Im not sure why they decided that was necessary lmao. 

Jin has supported (and is consistent on) A4s, someone didn't do their research. 

What do they have against Jo Yuri lol, poor girl always getting slandered as well. 

Miyeon has much better A4s to show, this random phrase seems silly. 

Rosé's Bb4 was very nasal but it did have the stretch and some support. I'm sure there are better choices though. 

Chungha does have shallow support throughout her midrange. I'm not sure how much of it is acceptable though, I haven't paid much attention. 

I personally don't think Dawon's C5 carried enough support. It was almost there, the placement was alright but the development doesn't sound solid enough for that belty C5. 

Sejeong has much better C5s to show, and she's pretty consistent on them too.

Couldn't they have chosen a less shouty C5 for Hwasa lol.

Yeonjung's C#5s were not supported, it's pushed with open vowel, her usual style tbh.

Ngl Solar and Wheein's belts are not as 'resonant' as some people think. They don't 'breathe out' resonant notes. It's loud, bright, chesty and does have okay  placement and openness (Solar more so) but it's not a large resonance at all. Their throats arent relaxed enough for that kind of good projection.

Oh yeah I've seen this before. No, I wouldnt say Seunghee's D5 was supported. It was very light mixing and there wasn't much of an attempt to support it anyways, it's just somewhat relaxed. 

This video was made a while ago and Uji only recently had shown E5/F5 moments so ofc it's not here lol.

this is a pretty stupid question but how does shallow support sounds like in comparison to like literally no support at all?  I usually can tell when someone can't support at all but with Chungha I can't really tell for some reason... she sounds ok to me I really can't recognize what qualities in her singing makes her shallow

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Is It just me tho or was Karina really nasal in the forever studio version in some parts? her being an average vocalist or so would be pretty impressive considering she is a main dancer and not even in the vocal line afaik(?)

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Can someone tell me if any of those B4s are supported? (4:23) I know in general Kyungsoo doesn't support B4s but I really can't tell he still sounds good to me but maybe its because I'm biased