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Yet another non-muslim talking about things she knows nothing about.

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If she is really muslim, she would know muslim woman have 3 times the rights compared to men.

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Example muslim woman has 3 rights to divorce a men (1) if the men do not give her money (2) if the men do not pray (3) ok i forgot >.<

 

Muslim men only have 1 right to divorce a woman (1) if the woman is not a loyal wife but only at critical moments meaning the woman runs away from home.

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Also in household, kids must follow the mothers orders 3 times more than the fathers order.

 

A Muslim ask the Prophet, who should i follow order, mom or dad? and the Prophet says:

(1) Mom's order 

when asked again (2) Mom's order 

when asked again (3) Mom's order

when asked again (4) Dad's order

 

Meaning Muslim woman has 3 times more rights.

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Also even during introduction of Islam, woman has right to keep lands and money.

 

In Europe, it's only starting from 1800s that woman can start keeping land and money.

 

Islam gives rights to woman earlier than anyone.

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It is actually western people who are scared woman will get many rights, that now asking woman not to read Quran.

 

If all woman reads Quran, they will be surprised "Why I never know woman can have this many rights?" fD4JAZe.png

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Yet another non-muslim talking about things she knows nothing about.

___

 

If she is really muslim, she would know muslim woman have 3 times the rights compared to men.

___

 

Example muslim woman has 3 rights to divorce a men (1) if the men do not give her money (2) if the men do not pray (3) ok i forgot >.<

 

Muslim men only have 1 right to divorce a woman (1) if the woman is not a loyal wife but only at critical moments meaning the woman runs away from home.

___

 

Also in household, kids must follow the mothers orders 3 times more than the fathers order.

 

A Muslim ask the Prophet, who should i follow order, mom or dad? and the Prophet says:

(1) Mom's order

when asked again (2) Mom's order

when asked again (3) Mom's order

when asked again (4) Dad's order

 

Meaning Muslim woman has 3 times more rights.

___

 

Also even during introduction of Islam, woman has right to keep lands and money.

 

In Europe, it's only starting from 1800s that woman can start keeping land and money.

 

Islam gives rights to woman earlier than anyone.

___

 

It is actually western people who are scared woman will get many rights, that now asking woman not to read Quran.

 

If all woman reads Quran, they will be surprised "Why I never know woman can have this many rights?" fD4JAZe.png

question: if women has more rights in Islam, why is the reality opposite? E.g. women get tortured in muslim countries, honour killings etc.

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That made my head hurt lol all her arguments are so old and she needs to update herself coz she's making a fool outta herself by not even bothering to check the millions of debates that have already discussed all the issues she mentioned. 
Needless to say all her arguments are either taken out of context or she just chooses what she wants people to know , like how she manipulated the very first argument about how "a woman should not look at a man in the eyes" , that one verse concerned women, but there's also another verse that was directed to men : It's in Sourat Nour : 30. Duh
Also , Even Hijab is not confirmed to be a part of the islamic culture yet and there's a thesis in Al Azhar that claims Hijab is not islamic but cultural .
Also she messed things up : Religion is not what some countries decide for themselves : For example in Hijab's context : It's been prohibited in Tunisia and Turkey but obligatory in Saudi Arabia and Iran etc...

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question: if women has more rights in Islam, why is the reality opposite? E.g. women get tortured in muslim countries, honour killings etc.

As an Arab I can tell you it has less to do with religion and a lot to do with old traditions and culture

 

It's like a mix, idk how to explain but where I'm from women get their rights just fine

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As an Arab I can tell you it has less to do with religion and a lot to do with old traditions and culture

It's like a mix, idk how to explain but where I'm from women get their rights just fine

But non-arab muslim countries are not really any better tho.. maybe better than Arab countries but women are definitely not treated better than man as described by the person I quote.
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question: if women has more rights in Islam, why is the reality opposite? E.g. women get tortured in muslim countries, honour killings etc.

I think it's more of the humans than the religion itself, this applies to other religions too. People apply religion the wrong way sometimes many times

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I'm a Muslim and these white people apparently know more about my religion than I do.

Hilarious.

 

*It happens mostly in rural Areas.

It has more to do with lack of education.

 

So women rights are a result of education and not because my god told me to?

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question: if women has more rights in Islam, why is the reality opposite? E.g. women get tortured in muslim countries, honour killings etc.

Easy , it's because in some countries patriarchy is very strong , from the beginning of time and even before the arrival of Islam : In those places men used to kill their daughters the moment their wives give birth to them because , for them, a daughter is a disgrace : Until Islam came and prohibited this action : Takwir : 8-9

Also polygamy , it was very redundant before Islam , until religion came and limited the number to 4 women with the condition of being fair , and if a man feels like he cannot be fair with his women he should just marry one , but in the verse just after , Quran said that Allah knows men will never be fair so men better not take the risk ( in that meaning ) , Islam is a teaching and it made sure to invite people slowly into the religion without causing a severe cultural crisis. Like when Islam prohibited the consumption of alcoholic substances, the first verses that came said something about avoiding praying when drunk ( means Islam didn't directly prohibit it , it limited the prohibition to the praying context ) and then bit by bit Islam prohibited it once and for all.

Verses kept coming for years depending on the progress in people's mentalities and their tolerance . But there are many general verses that summarize the islamic spirit , those details people seem to be so keen on mostly depend on the context and came in specific circumstances. So people should keep that in mind : The Quran tells stories and fixes a teaching.

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Yet another non-muslim talking about things she knows nothing about.

___

 

If she is really muslim, she would know muslim woman have 3 times the rights compared to men.

___

 

Example muslim woman has 3 rights to divorce a men (1) if the men do not give her money (2) if the men do not pray (3) ok i forgot >.<

 

Muslim men only have 1 right to divorce a woman (1) if the woman is not a loyal wife but only at critical moments meaning the woman runs away from home.

___

 

Also in household, kids must follow the mothers orders 3 times more than the fathers order.

 

A Muslim ask the Prophet, who should i follow order, mom or dad? and the Prophet says:

(1) Mom's order 

when asked again (2) Mom's order 

when asked again (3) Mom's order

when asked again (4) Dad's order

 

Meaning Muslim woman has 3 times more rights.

___

 

Also even during introduction of Islam, woman has right to keep lands and money.

 

In Europe, it's only starting from 1800s that woman can start keeping land and money.

 

Islam gives rights to woman earlier than anyone.

___

 

It is actually western people who are scared woman will get many rights, that now asking woman not to read Quran.

 

If all woman reads Quran, they will be surprised "Why I never know woman can have this many rights?" fD4JAZe.png

preach! plus, i know periods are seen as a negative thing, but compared to men, they don't have to pray, which is a gift imo

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So women rights are a result of education and not because my god told me to?

Most of those people don't even care about Islam in the first place

They don't even pray or fast

What do you expect from them.

 

Child marriages and rape are still common

In rural areas of the middle east

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Yet another non-muslim talking about things she knows nothing about.

___

 

If she is really muslim, she would know muslim woman have 3 times the rights compared to men.

___

 

Example muslim woman has 3 rights to divorce a men (1) if the men do not give her money (2) if the men do not pray (3) ok i forgot >.<

 

Muslim men only have 1 right to divorce a woman (1) if the woman is not a loyal wife but only at critical moments meaning the woman runs away from home.

___

 

Also in household, kids must follow the mothers orders 3 times more than the fathers order.

 

A Muslim ask the Prophet, who should i follow order, mom or dad? and the Prophet says:

(1) Mom's order 

when asked again (2) Mom's order 

when asked again (3) Mom's order

when asked again (4) Dad's order

 

Meaning Muslim woman has 3 times more rights.

___

 

Also even during introduction of Islam, woman has right to keep lands and money.

 

In Europe, it's only starting from 1800s that woman can start keeping land and money.

 

Islam gives rights to woman earlier than anyone.

___

 

It is actually western people who are scared woman will get many rights, that now asking woman not to read Quran.

 

If all woman reads Quran, they will be surprised "Why I never know woman can have this many rights?" fD4JAZe.png

 

I don't think she ever claimed to be muslim??

 

You are mentioning different verses, can you address some of the verses she mentioned?

 

I'm most curious about:

  1. men having complete dominion of their wive(s)' body (2:223)
  2. being restricted from going outside unless you have permission from a man (33:33) and (33:59)
  3. muhammed supposedly being able to train when his wive(s) are able to defecate (Sahih Bukhari 4:149) - this just seems really messed up imo no offence

she seems to have a lot more points about islam being against women than the 3/4 points you have

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As an Arab I can tell you it has less to do with religion and a lot to do with old traditions and culture

 

It's like a mix, idk how to explain but where I'm from women get their rights just fine

And as a fellow Arab I can tell you it has do with both religion and culture, culture influences religion and religion influences culture, it's the same thing.

As for many ignorant people saying that Islam is feminist and whatnot, explain how you beloved prophet married a 6 year old girl, had several sex sales, allowed men to have 4 wives (he had 11 himself), called women defience in intelligence, allowed men to beat their wives up if they're not obedient, female genitalia mutilation which is very common in Islamic countries etc. I could go on forever about this. Thankfully I left that cult and no longer associate with it.

“Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.

Al-Tabari, Vol. 1, p. 280

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house."

Sahih Bukhari 4:52:110

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emm.. yeah, all is taken out of context and quoted wrongly. I really want to correct her but it is not something i can do over thread like this (I'm not the most religious btw). I might need few days to provide the source and explanation from Quran, hadith & scholars. But here you can read some of the misconception explanation.

 

http://www.thecommentator.com/ckeditor_assets/attachments/333/en_common_questions.pdf

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And as a fellow Arab I can tell you it has do with both religion and culture, culture influences religion and religion influences culture, it's the same thing.

As for many ignorant people saying that Islam is feminist and whatnot, explain how you beloved prophet married a 6 year old girl, had several sex sales, allowed men to have 4 wives (he had 11 himself), called women defience in intelligence, allowed men to beat their wives up if they're not obedient, female genitalia mutilation which is very common in Islamic countries etc. I could go on forever about this. Thankfully I left that cult and no longer associate with it.

lmao you remind me of someone and honestly I cannot be bothered to talk to people like you.

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