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You're on the racist side of Youtube, please close the tab before you start thinking that they make any sense


 


edit: is there a right-wing neg squad? why am I getting negged for advising a user to stay away from a part of Youtube that preaches hatred


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I do believe the video since some things in it aren't new to me. I knew it indeed before and this video only proved me/it. Its not right-wing. Its what left wing TV propaganda tried to hide from ppl but failed. 

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You're on the racist side of Youtube, please close the tab before you start thinking that they make any sense

 

edit: is there a right-wing neg squad? why am I getting negged for advising a user to stay away from a part of Youtube that preaches hatred

 

 

I mean, I watched the whole video and some points were valid. The people at 5:42 were against 'gender mixing' and that's just so messed up - I hardly think they made that up just to incite hatred against refugees/muslims. 

 

The second time stamp about the woman working for a NGO discovering that refugees who supported ISIS and weren't being vetted was really worrying..

 

p.s. i dont see any negs on your posts??

 

wtf, get out of this bs 

 

 

how is it BS?

 

I do believe the video since some things in it aren't new to me. I knew it indeed before and this video only proved me/it. Its not right-wing. Its what left wing TV propaganda tried to hide from ppl but failed. 

 

I think it's clear that some people didn't even watch the video.. people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss when they have evidence

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You're on the racist side of Youtube, please close the tab before you start thinking that they make any sense

 

edit: is there a right-wing neg squad? why am I getting negged for advising a user to stay away from a part of Youtube that preaches hatred

Yes there's a right wing squad here indeed that lives in the news section, sad i know

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I mean, I watched the whole video and some points were valid. The people at 5:42 were against 'gender mixing' and that's just so messed up - I hardly think they made that up just to incite hatred against refugees/muslims. 

 

The second time stamp about the woman working for a NGO discovering that refugees who supported ISIS and weren't being vetted was really worrying..

 

p.s. i dont see any negs on your posts???

 

Some of his sources are undeniably right-wing websites. I know there's no such thing as a neutral media outlet, but labelling local & mainstream media as leftist propaganda when they nor the governments in question have nothing to gain from a positive media depiction of muslims or refugees, is ridiculous. Last time I checked, mainstream media did the exact opposite

 

The cafe is a vague example because that reportage is all we have. There's nothing here about how much of the French sub-urbs are in a similar condition, the reporters' behaviour prior to the video clip and how many cafes are estimated to be like this. I agree that this is horrible, but are you gonna blame every refugee in France for what's happening in this cafe or look into for example the background of these people, why this hasn't been dealt with earlier, and so on. I'm assuming there were mostly Arabs in this video; arabs who either came to Paris a few months/years ago, or who've been here for generations?

 

Now when it comes to the refugees with ISIS content on their phones:

Please look at this critically. Is it really ISIS-related content, or is it just documents in Arabic?

Saying that these groups are doing nothing to de-radicalize some of these refugees is such a reach when the reportage doesn't even follow the rest of their journey. Just because the person who was the source for this didn't see any other part of the integration/saving process, doesn't mean nothing happened

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Some of his sources are undeniably right-wing websites. I know there's no such thing as a neutral media outlet, but labelling local & mainstream media as leftist propaganda when they nor the governments in question have nothing to gain from a positive media depiction of muslims or refugees, is ridiculous. Last time I checked, mainstream media did the exact opposite

 

The cafe is a vague example because that reportage is all we have. There's nothing here about how much of the French sub-urbs are in a similar condition, the reporters' behaviour prior to the video clip and how many cafes are estimated to be like this. I agree that this is horrible, but are you gonna blame every refugee in France for what's happening in this cafe or look into for example the background of these people, why this hasn't been dealt with earlier, and so on. I'm assuming there were mostly Arabs in this video; arabs who either came to Paris a few months/years ago, or who've been here for generations?

 

Now when it comes to the refugees with ISIS content on their phones:

Please look at this critically. Is it really ISIS-related content, or is it just documents in Arabic?

Saying that these groups are doing nothing to de-radicalize some of these refugees is such a reach when the reportage doesn't even follow the rest of their journey. Just because the person who was the source for this didn't see any other part of the integration/saving process, doesn't mean nothing happened

 

  1. Yes I definitely agree, I noticed that one of the sources was from Infowars, which is like the most stupid right-wing site out there. But some of the other sources were from neutral reliable news source. Does having one news source, such as infowars, discount every single one of the other sources?

     

  2. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter how many cafes are like this, even one cafe in France acting liking this is over the board and unacceptable. I am not going to blame every refugee, nor did I ever say I would (not sure where you got this idea from???), but there is clearly an issue with assimilation if it has reached this stage, for even one cafe in a suburb of France to act like this. 

    a) "The reporter's behaviour beforehand" - what do you mean by this? They literally had an issue with her just because she was a woman, she even records the incident beforehand. I don't know how you can attempt to justify their actions. It is clear from the video that the cafe people had brought their 'home culture' to the cafe. 

     

  3. I like how you suggest I am not looking at this critically. I am not an idiot. You're trying to attack/discredit the source of the argument without even knowing any information about it. IMO it's actually offensive for you to suggest that the aid worker can not tell the difference between ISIS content and just plain Arabic characters. I can see what you mean about your latter point, but again, you're making the assumption that the aid worker is ignorant. As they were someone who has flown to Italy/Africa specifically to help refugees, I doubt that they have a hidden agenda against refugees and would not want to present refugees in a bad light.

     

    p.s. tbh I don't appreciate the condescending tone in your post. you make it sound as if I haven't considered all possibilities and that I'm against refugees when that's simply not true.

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Some of his sources are undeniably right-wing websites. I know there's no such thing as a neutral media outlet, but labelling local & mainstream media as leftist propaganda when they nor the governments in question have nothing to gain from a positive media depiction of muslims or refugees, is ridiculous. Last time I checked, mainstream media did the exact opposite

 

The cafe is a vague example because that reportage is all we have. There's nothing here about how much of the French sub-urbs are in a similar condition, the reporters' behaviour prior to the video clip and how many cafes are estimated to be like this. I agree that this is horrible, but are you gonna blame every refugee in France for what's happening in this cafe or look into for example the background of these people, why this hasn't been dealt with earlier, and so on. I'm assuming there were mostly Arabs in this video; arabs who either came to Paris a few months/years ago, or who've been here demonstrationss?

 

Now when it comes to the refugees with ISIS content on their phones:

Please look at this critically. Is it really ISIS-related content, or is it just documents in Arabic?

Saying that these groups are doing nothing to de-radicalize some of these refugees is such a reach when the reportage doesn't even follow the rest of their journey. Just because the person who was the source for this didn't see any other part of the integration/saving process, doesn't mean nothing happened

U kidding, right? Tell me pls that u simply make fun with yr post. 

 

Mainstream have nothing to gain? Omfg!!! 

In Germany mainstream telling h24 how good all the refugees are, how they work, how they want to work. They tell that them all are special snowflake. They tell that Germany needs more worker and more skilled worker (biggest lie in universe). While the true is they rob, rape and refuse to learn German language. I don't even talk abt work. The majority don't work and gets paid from payment of working ppl (Harz VI). There are a few who are willing to learn the language and work, and they are indeed welcome. The majority isn't tho. They rape woman of own nationally and German woman. Rob old woman and as she screamed he hit her in the face. -true happend-. Back to media. Merkel invited them and it did overroll her. What should she do now? So she try to tell all ppl to welcome them -no matter what they do or how they act- to make sure here isn't an demonstrations against them. So the mainstream burn all possible cases of shit literally under the table. Only the extrem ones gets told follow an agenda of how its only one case and how the rest is special snowflake. And one week later there is again a case how an refugee man killed his wife. The famous incident of the Silvester night the mainstream told only abt one day later after they stand with back on the wall after it was blown up on twitter. 

 

Again, I have nothing against refugee who willing to learn the language, work here and follow german rules, yet the majority isn't willing to do anything of it. 

 

Edit. Did u know that many of this so called refugee coming from jails in their countries? It was learned after the Silvester night. Also many countries don't even want take thus ppl back, what is also a problem in Germany. Germany can't get rid of the ppl who wasn't accepted here. 

 

Edit 2. To bring everything on one point. If media would truly telling ALL incidents refuge did here, how fast do u think ppl would go on street to protest against them?! So they gain a lot with hide all they can in a big hole. 

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  1. Yes I definitely agree, I noticed that one of the sources was from Infowars, which is like the most stupid right-wing site out there. But some of the other sources were from neutral reliable news source. Does have one news source, such as infowars, discount every single one of the other sources?

     

  2. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter how many cafes are like this, even one cafe in France acting liking this is over the board and unacceptable. I am not going to blame every refugee, nor did I ever say I would (not sure where you got this idea from???), but there is clearly an issue with assimilation if it has reached this stage, for even one cafe in a suburb of France to act like this. 

    - The reporter's behaviour beforehand - what do you mean by this? They literally had an issue with her just because she was a woman, she even records the incident beforehand. I don't know how you can attempt to justify their actions. It is clear from the video that the cafe people had brought their 'home culture' to the cafe. 

     

  3. I like how you suggest I am not looking at this critically. I am not an idiot. You're trying to attack/discredit the source of the argument without even knowing any information about it. Imo it's actually offensive for you to suggest that the aid worker can not tell the difference ISIS content and just plain Arabic characters. I can see what you mean about your latter point, but again, you're making the assumption that the aid worker is ignorant. As they were someone who has flown to Italy/Africa specifically to help refugees, I doubt that they have a hidden agenda against refugees and would not want to present refugees in a bad light.

     

    p.s. tbh I don't appreciate the condescending tone in your post. you make it sound as if I haven't considered all possibilities and that I'm against refugees when that's simply not true.

 

I believe I didn't articulate myself well enough, so I apologize. My criticism is not towards you, I was trying to make it seem like commentary towards the youtuber and their sources. Again I'm sorry, none of the things I said were intended as criticism towards you

 

 

1. I haven't watched the whole video, but the first case about the African immigrants is a bit iffy. I'm not gonna get into who does the smuggling and such, but his use of the quotes about cities not feeling "European anymore" is just very discriminatory to me, and it discredits the video as a whole for me

 

2. I'm not trying to justify their actions, and (again I'm sorry for putting it so badly into words) the against immigration-comment was more of a rhetorical question to prove a point rather than an assumption of your stance. I think it's horrible what happened in that cafe, it's just that I've seen it being used a lot as an argument to stop all immigration and deport innocent people. The Arab community is very established in France, and there being a lot of arabs over there because of most of them originating from Arab Countries that were once a French colony. Where I'm going with this is, I just find it weird that something like this hasn't been taken care of ages ago, and that it gains media attention at a time where immigration happens to be such a hot topic

 

3. Once again that was not my intention, I'm very sorry. Maybe I am undermining the aid workers' knowledge, that's a fair point. Although, I still think it was a selective argument on the youtuber's hand by saying the NGO does nothing about the refugees with ISIS-content on their phones

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