A bad self-produced/written song or a good song with several producers/writers?

[cnblue]

I'm curious to know what y'all think about this. Would you rather have your fave self-produce/write a song even if it turns out not so good or would you rather have professionals give them a good song.

 

A lot of people brag about their favorite artists self-writing/self-producing songs, even if the quality of those songs is... questionable. Obviously it's something to be proud of anyway but I thought it'd be interesting to discuss.

[Happykpopper]

eewwww...... who want a bad song.seriously

[NSFL]

I'm in kpop for the music so if they start putting out stuff that isn't good I don't really feel the need to follow them anymore

[moon]

I would want my fav to practice a bit more before releasing if it would turn that bad

[Your Bae]

Bad music is bad music no matter who makes it, and good music is good music regardless of who it come from.

 

I'd rather have good music no matter what so several producers and a good song for me, but I'd appreciate the effort if they made a self-produced song. There's something called room for improvement after all

[Sdm]

Good song obviously. I don't have that much of a boner for self produced stuff especially if it will sound like shit. Leave it to the professionals

[foo]

It's Kpop. Self production is the least of my priorities. 

[� redie �]

Lmao this is a no brainer...

 

 

GO WITH THE GOOD SONG SMH WHO WOULD PICK THE OTHER

An important factor of art is that it is judged solely on itself and not the source. If a song is good it's good and if it's bad it's bad. If an idol self produces bad songs I won't respect them in any way, because they're doing something that someone else could do much better for them.

 

Writing songs is not required in the slightest for an idol's skillset. And many producers have much more expertise and individuality than the idols who produce basic songs.

[cnblue]

Lmao this is a no brainer...

 

 

GO WITH THE GOOD SONG SMH WHO WOULD PICK THE OTHER

An important factor of art is that it is judged solely on itself and not the source. If a song is good it's good and if it's bad it's bad. If an idol self produces bad songs I won't respect them in any way, because they're doing something that someone else could do much better for them.

 

Writing songs is not required in the slightest for an idol's skillset. And many producers have much more expertise and individuality than then idols who produce basic songs.

tea.

you'd be surprised @ how many people gas their faves up for writing half-assed songs tho

 

 

 

It's Kpop. Self production is the least of my priorities. 

my post wasn't necessarily about kpop only but agreed

[Omni]

I mean even the "self-produced" songs have an team of co-writers and co-producers attached to them.

 

I'll take a good song.

[denizen mars]

I'm in kpop for the music so if they start putting out stuff that isn't good I don't really feel the need to follow them anymore

 

same tbh

 

although it's nice when idols or domestic producers make good shit- it feels more organic and authentic- I don't care, if my faves release bad album after bad album I'll drop them. and if groups release a ton of good songs by a team of foreign producers- that's fine. I like a lot of SM songs that are written by foreign producers.

 

most of the stuff that we think of  as 'good quality' in kpop is very heavily produced by an army of people working together to put out a good product. and it honestly doesn't bother me anymore. 

[hogyeom]

good song all the way

 

seeing that they took part in the production/writing is cool but i don't particularly care for it if the song's not that good lmao

[cnblue]

I mean even the "self-produced" songs have an team of co-writers and co-producers attached to them.

 

I'll take a good song.

 

by self-produced i meant the person produced it by themselves 

 

 

same tbh

 

although it's nice when idols or domestic producers make good shit- it feels more organic and authentic- I don't care, if my faves release bad album after bad album I'll drop them. and if groups release a ton of good songs by a team of foreign producers- that's fine. I like a lot of SM songs that are written by foreign producers.

 

most of the stuff that we think of  as 'good quality' in kpop is very heavily produced by an army of people working together to put out a good product. and it honestly doesn't bother me anymore. 

 

 

i agree, there's no point in continuing to listen a group who makes bad music.

it is nice tho when idols make profit from their own music. i wish companies would focus more on the creative process & train/teach their idols how to write and compose.

[Fizzi]

Leave it to the professionals

[TheLuckyOne]

I'd rather have a good song produced by others over a self-produced shitty one any day. Unlike some other people, i really don't give a shit if a person makes his own music or not as long as its good. 

[denizen mars]

 And many producers have much more expertise and individuality than the idols who produce basic songs.

 

on the other hand, some idols use self-production as a way to explore genres that their usual producers wouldn't give to them because it doesn't fit how they're usually marketed. although that can either go really well (subin, jonghyun), or not very well at all (miryo).

 

but we do have to ask...is it really art if it's not self-expression? it's someone's expression, I guess, but it becomes more of a product than art the more it's divorced from its original creator. of course kpop is mostly about selling at the end of the day, so if you're into kpop at some point you accept that, but...

[cnblue]

on the other hand, some idols use self-production as a way to explore genres that their usual producers wouldn't give to them because it doesn't fit how they're usually marketed. although that can either go really well (subin, jonghyun), or not very well at all (miryo).

 

but we do have to ask...is it really art if it's not self-expression? it's someone's expression, I guess, but it becomes more of a product than art the more it's divorced from its original creator. of course kpop is mostly about selling at the end of the day, so if you're into kpop at some point you accept that, but...

 

a very good point, self-writing (at least) makes the art authentic but like you said, kpop is kpop and companies look at what sells before anything else.

[denizen mars]

i wish companies would focus more on the creative process & train/teach their idols how to write and compose.

 

it's honestly a crying shame that they don't foster that more. but of course that's not the business model they go for. if a person was truly exceptionally talented at composing and playing instruments, they'd probably be doing that in some capacity rather than being an idol. 

[� redie �]

on the other hand, some idols use self-production as a way to explore genres that their usual producers wouldn't give to them because it doesn't fit how they're usually marketed. although that can either go really well (subin, jonghyun), or not very well at all (miryo).

 

but we do have to ask...is it really art if it's not self-expression? it's someone's expression, I guess, but it becomes more of a product than art the more it's divorced from its original creator. of course kpop is mostly about selling at the end of the day, so if you're into kpop at some point you accept that, but...

Of course it's art.

 

 

Jascha Heifetz is a very famous brilliant violinist but he never really wrote his own compositions or symphonies. He's still an artist.

 

There's such a thing as performance arts, you don't need to create to be an artist by any means. Idols, of course, are in large nowhere close to the level of Heifetz's expertise, but generally if they perform their songs well they are artists.

[Chaeri]

I would pick good music because the quality of the song is what matters to me the most

[denizen mars]

Of course it's art.

 

 

Jascha Heifetz is a very famous brilliant violinist but he never really wrote his own compositions or symphonies. He's still an artist.

 

There's such a thing as performance arts, you don't need to create to be an artist by any means. Idols, of course, are in large nowhere close to the level of Heifetz's expertise, but generally if they perform their songs well they are artists.

 

I appreciate your thoughts. I guess that's how I conceptualize it too, I appreciate idols as performers and entertainers, but at the same time as someone who previously was mostly into music for its lyrical content and as social commentary I used to think of pop music as a bit...lacking at times.

 

it's always been funny to me how there are people who get uptight about kpop being 'manufactured' that are fans of western artists and performers that don't write their own music, either. Maybe they never look at producing credits and assume otherwise? Or maybe it's due to their own preconceived notions about what being a idol must be like.

[11minuteslater]

I could care less who produced the song that I like.

 

 

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[cnblue]

so...

can the 1 person who chose "bad self-written song" explain to us their point of view

[deobizone]

eh they can keep the bad/subpar self produced songs to their soundcloud lol

[Akpheart]

They can work on their production skills and put that work up for free on SoundCloud but leave the official stuff to whomever is qualified to do it. I do tend to find personal writing more interesting but at the end of the day, just because you can self-produce doesn't mean you necessarily always should. Not everyone can do it.