Pananana 2,284 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I go to a state university and our president just approved the free tuition for all state universities and it will start this August. I just thought if there will be free tuition, where will the government get the funds they need to cover? Can all people from marginalized families can go to college? Will the miscellaneous fees go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
literally tilted 6,595 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 The government obtain their funds from taxpayer money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Usually it just means that they set the grade requirement for course admission higher. That's the way it went in Scandinavia, anyway. EDIT: But the money comes from tax, obvs. They either divert money from elsewhere or raise the tax in some way. Usually not by much, sometimes they put it on the more well-off more than the poor etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisssie 3,872 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Shit, what state do you live in???? I need to move. My student loans are already so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solis 10,336 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I think it can be great, but there should be some requirements in place, like students must maintain a certain GPA (a lot of grants and scholarships already do things like this). I think the funds usually come from taxpayers, but I honestly have no problem paying for people to become educated, but I know not everyone will agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~CinnamonBuns~ 2,259 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Sometimes it may be a hit or miss. I study educational studies, so I could tell you the difference. With state universities, if they claim free tuition, there will be increased class sizes, longer waiting times, and sometimes inability to get major classes. With inaqeduate funding, expect somethings to be extremely shitty. But since you guys are barely starting out, you will still get the best bang of the buck. Free tution does allow even marginalized families to go to college, but there is a question of them being accepted in the first place. It also makes it harder for those with higher schools to get accepted. -All the money comes from taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebells and Snowdrops 3,566 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 In my country, we have free tuition. And when you're over 18, you're actually paid for going to school. I "earn" around 380 dollars a month by going to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAUCY 44,499 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 government will have to increase tax or direct funds from elsewhere to fund that. personally i've found that places with "free" tuition suffer in quality in various areas... college admissions might also be harder, if they want to decrease amount of students studying. or areas like research will suffer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It's nice in theory, but it would create more supply than there is demand for. We're already seeing that in some fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It's nice in theory, but it would create more supply than there is demand for. We're already seeing that in some fields. It worked in Scandinavia though? But they have a compulsory retirement age which not all countries have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It worked in Scandinavia though? But they have a compulsory retirement age which not all countries have. Did it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Did it work? ...yes? Wait, what's the question? Like, are you referring to something in particular as being a sign that it didn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 ...yes? Wait, what's the question? Like, are you referring to something in particular as being a sign that it didn't work? You asked me a question. I don't know about their system, so I'm asking if it really worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 You asked me a question. I don't know about their system, so I'm asking if it really worked. Oh, well then yeah it really did work. The school system once you get to university there is really good, but their general teaching strategy at lower levels could do with some work. At least in Sweden, essentially they work on bringing everyone up to the mean, therefore teaching those at the mean normally, giving those underachieving extra attention, and essentially leaving overachievers to their own devices. It's weird because to get free tuition at university level, the grades requirements are slightly higher than average for most qualifications. But it's like they're almost weeding out the ones who are naturally smart way before that. Idk, at least for me I'm happy I did most of my education outside of Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Oh, well then yeah it really did work. The school system once you get to university there is really good, but their general teaching strategy at lower levels could do with some work. At least in Sweden, essentially they work on bringing everyone up to the mean, therefore teaching those at the mean normally, giving those underachieving extra attention, and essentially leaving overachievers to their own devices. It's weird because to get free tuition at university level, the grades requirements are slightly higher than average for most qualifications. But it's like they're almost weeding out the ones who are naturally smart way before that. Idk, at least for me I'm happy I did most of my education outside of Sweden. But would it work in country such as the US which has a much larger population and a much different economy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starsocks 7,986 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 My povo ass approves Sent from my iPhone using OneHallyu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirium 4,237 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 In theory, it's a lifesaver. But free is rarely ever free. Someone is always paying, even if it's not you, atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 But would it work in country such as the US which has a much larger population and a much different economy? A large reason why it works is because they get a lot of things for free because they also have a relatively high tax rate. There's free healthcare, free school meals, free tuition, stuff like that. Since the US is pretty much allergic to tax I'd say no because there's no way they'd stand for more tax just so everybody can be on more equal footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 A large reason why it works is because they get a lot of things for free because they also have a relatively high tax rate. There's free healthcare, free school meals, free tuition, stuff like that. Since the US is pretty much allergic to tax I'd say no because there's no way they'd stand for more tax just so everybody can be on more equal footing. I was talking more about the job market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jstarfully 798 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I was talking more about the job market. Then sure, because the way it works in Sweden is that jobs which are understaffed have a lower (or more near the average) grade requirement to get into the course, and jobs where there is a low requirement, only the very top applicants get in. It's easy to adjust it too because Sweden has a central academic database and all the Universities kind of share academic information of which applicants with which grades apply for which courses. Therefore you can be sure that across all universities the desired quota will be kept. Since there's also a compulsory retirement age, you'll know exactly who is going to retire when, so it's easy to adjust for things like job popularity in older populations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torry Cox 0 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 In my country, we have free tuition. And when you're over 18, you're actually paid for going to school. I "earn" around 380 dollars a month by going to school. It seems to me to receive money for attending school, this is a good motivation for studying. This is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gung 828 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Topic's worth multiple research papers, but at the end of the day it's a good thing to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vip ex-Elvis 597 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 In my country, we have free tuition. And when you're over 18, you're actually paid for going to school. I "earn" around 380 dollars a month by going to school. Is tax higher than the majority of the european countries on your country? How can they maintain that? I mean, here we have great public universities but you still have to pay (it's not THAT much but it sure makes a difference in poor families) Answering the topic, everyone should have access to free tuiton, as long as they maintain a certain degree of commitment (Ex. not getting negs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebells and Snowdrops 3,566 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It seems to me to receive money for attending school, this is a good motivation for studying. This is true?[/size] I live in Denmark, and if you study and you're above the age of 18, you can get paid. I live at home, so I "only" recieve 380 dollars a month, but if you live by yourself/not with your parents, you get a lot more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebells and Snowdrops 3,566 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Is tax higher than the majority of the european countries on your country? How can they maintain that? I mean, here we have great public universities but you still have to pay (it's not THAT much but it sure makes a difference in poor families) Answering the topic, everyone should have access to free tuiton, as long as they maintain a certain degree of commitment (Ex. not getting negs) Well, the taxation is very high where I live (Denmark), but we also get free healthcare and education is free for everyone (at least till we exit high school) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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