[EP 5 Spoiler] 8 Produce 101 F Ranks In Top 25, 7 B Ranks Eliminated

[Aquamaraqua]

Yep...

 

F ranks in top 25:

 

#23 Kwon Hyun-bin (YG K Plus)

#22 Park Sung-woo (HIM)

#19 Choi Min-gi (Pledis)

#15 Yu Seon-ho (Cube)

#14 Jang Moon-bok (ONO)

#12 Bae Jin-young (C9)

#10 Joo Hak-nyeon (Cre.ker)

#9 Lai Guan-lin (Cube)

 

B ranks eliminated:

 

Cho Jin-hyung (CS)

Seong Hyun-woo (The Vibe Label)

Jeong Won-cheol (HF Music Company)

Choi Jae-woo (RBW)

Choi Dong-ha (Individual trainee)

Lee Ji-han (Pan)

Lee Hoo-lim (YG K Plus)

[Vaelin]

nid 

[PinkWhale]

That tells a lot tbh

[semisomniac]

[KUMA-MON]

team non-screen time is ded

 

color me surprised 

[Aquamaraqua]

That tells a lot tbh

+ It's not like the ones eliminated were bad looking. Choi Jaewoo is hot. Mnet giving minuscule screentime for most of them has to do with the majority of it all tbh.

[Pinky Winky]

It's kinda sad how I don't even remember over half of those eliminated B-ranks even after googling their pics 

[al qaeda]

Bae Jin Young got eliminated? I thought he was really popular as well

[Aquamaraqua]

Bae Jin Young got eliminated? I thought he was really popular as well

No... he's not an F rank.

[Yume]

[al qaeda]

No... he's not an F rank.

oh, okay. I didn't read your original post properly 

[mon chan]

Power of F(lower) boys thou 

[í™©ì œë‹˜ 팬]

Some of the F ranks are stan worthy tbh ..

[wiaraewiwiarae]

This season's rank allocation is pointless. It's not based on talent, but on how well they can master a difficult choreography in 3 days. Park Woodam is F rank and he's one of the best singers on the show for example. Meanwhile half of A class wheezed through the song.

[Gondry]

#JusticForJaewoo

[Briar Rose]

I think the group performances showed that most can be whipped into shape for actual performances. You can't judge people's potential off of one audition, not to mention giving them 3 days to learn tough choreo and an entire song for evaluation. Most idols get at least a month or more to learn and perfect a comeback song.

[Aquamaraqua]

This season's rank allocation is pointless. It's not based on talent, but on how well they can master a difficult choreography in 3 days. Park Woodam is F rank and he's one of the best singers on the show for example. Meanwhile half of A class wheezed through the song.

Woodam was actually a C rank, then went down to D (most likely due to poor dancing skills). To a certain extent I do agree but generally speaking the popular F ranks mentioned aren't the ones with the crazy good vocals/rap abilities/dancing abilities.

 

The judging criteria did have a lot to do with audition talent, so while half of A might have "wheezed through", they were considerably better as all-rounders than trainees in lower ranks. I think that's the problem with the system though. You can have some great vocalists ranked D and a person mildly good at everything in A (like Daehwi). 

[wiaraewiwiarae]

Woodam was actually a C rank, then went down to D (most likely due to poor dancing skills). To a certain extent I do agree but generally speaking the popular F ranks mentioned aren't the ones with the crazy good vocals/rap abilities/dancing abilities.

 

The judging criteria did have a lot to do with audition talent, so while half of A might have "wheezed through", they were considerably better as all-rounders than trainees in lower ranks. I think that's the problem with the system though. You can have some great vocalists ranked D and a person mildly good at everything in A (like Daehwi). 

 

True, but most eliminated ones didn't posses any outstanding level of talent either. Realistically saying 90% of people on this show don't posses any outstanding level of talent. Those who do are not all in A rank: the show's best dancers Jung Jung and Eunki are in D for example, meanwhile A's Hyunsep is good at... well, nothing actually, he's ok at singing and dancing at best and we can't even figure out what he's specialises in. 

 

As for popular F ranks: 

Ren is a good singer and dancer

Baejin is good dancer

Moonbok is a good rapper

Hankeon flopped his audition 'cause he had only 3 days to prepare, but he probably is at least a decent dancer, 'cause you're not attempting to breakdance on audition if you don't know how to do it, so I'm looking forward to his position evaluation

 

I honestly don't think that these people are inferior to Hyunseop (and I love Hyunseop btw, he's awesome and his ability to attract attention and be overall awesome and stannable is 100 times more important that singing and dancing talents, just using him as an example).

 

Cube guys are lacking which no one denies, but they got A+ visuals and more stage presence then 96 other trainees combined which can't be taught and is the most important talent for an artist ever. I personally think that it's too early for them to debut, but I also don't think that they'll ruin the group if they do, they'll contribute to the group greatly even as they are right now. 

Hyunbin and Park Sungwoo are lacking as well but oh well, what can we do about it.

[Aquamaraqua]

True, but most eliminated ones didn't posses any outstanding level of talent either. Realistically saying 90% of people on this show don't posses any outstanding level of talent. Those who do are not all in A rank: the show's best dancers Jung Jung and Eunki are in D for example, meanwhile A's Hyunsep is good at... well, nothing actually, he's ok at singing and dancing at best and we can't even figure out what he's specialises in.

 

As for popular F ranks:

Ren is a good singer and dancer

Baejin is good dancer

Moonbok is a good rapper

Hankeon flopped his audition 'cause he had only 3 days to prepare, but he probably is at least a decent dancer, 'cause you're not attempting to breakdance on audition if you don't know how to do it, so I'm looking forward to his position evaluation

 

I honestly don't think that these people are inferior to Hyunseop (and I love Hyunseop btw, he's awesome and his ability to attract attention and be overall awesome and stannable is 100 times more important that singing and dancing talents, just using him as an example).

 

Cube guys are lacking which no one denies, but they got A+ visuals and more stage presence then 96 other trainees combined which can't be taught and is the most important talent for an artist ever. I personally think that it's too early for them to debut, but I also don't think that they'll ruin the group if they do, they'll contribute to the group greatly even as they are right now.

Hyunbin and Park Sungwoo are lacking as well but oh well, what can we do about it.

Ahn Hyungseob is the only A I am wtf about, tbqh. All the other As are pretty well rounded.

 

And actually no, many of the great vocals we heard were eliminated this past elimination. I made a thread on Lee Gunmin, but Kim Jaehan, Choi Jinhyung and Wang Minhyuk were eliminated. Not to mention all-rounders like Choi Jaewoo, Dongmyung, Kyungmok and Kwonhyub are also gone.

 

Some of the better rappers on the show: Im Woohyuk, Han Minho and Kim Dohyun were also eliminated in episode 5.

 

I've been trying to follow all 98 of the boys and from what I see a good chunk of the talented vocalists from the first half are gone.

 

And on the Cube trainees having stage presence: I don't see how stage presence can't be taught. It's not as natural as people think it is, since you learn to emulate from others. It's the same as other talents though, which some people can learn easily and others find a hard time carrying out. I don't think stage presence alone qualifies the Cube boys to be part of the top 11 though, frankly speaking, since plenty of the eliminated boys did have it too (and well Mnet isn't all that fair in terms of screentime to fully showcase most of the underdogs anyway).

[wiaraewiwiarae]

Ahn Hyungseob is the only A I am wtf about, tbqh. All the other As are pretty well rounded.

 

And actually no, many of the great vocals we heard were eliminated this past elimination. I made a thread on Lee Gunmin, but Kim Jaehan, Choi Jinhyung and Wang Minhyuk were eliminated. Not to mention all-rounders like Choi Jaewoo, Dongmyung, Kyungmok and Kwonhyub are also gone.

 

Some of the better rappers on the show: Im Woohyuk, Han Minho and Kim Dohyun were also eliminated in episode 5.

 

I've been trying to follow all 98 of the boys and from what I see a good chunk of the talented vocalists from the first half are gone.

 

And on the Cube trainees having stage presence: I don't see how stage presence can't be taught. It's not as natural as people think it is, since you learn to emulate from others. It's the same as other talents though, which some people can learn easily and others find a hard time carrying out. I don't think stage presence alone qualifies the Cube boys to be part of the top 11 though, frankly speaking, since plenty of the eliminated boys did have it too (and well Mnet isn't all that fair in terms of screentime to fully showcase most of the underdogs anyway).

 

I don't think that there is anything that qualifies anyone to be top 11 in this show other than votes. It's kpop where Spica is a flop and TWICE is the next ngg, the value of talent is low.

 

I personally has never seen anyone ever succeeding in learning stage presence and I've been around in professional dancing&singing for 15+ years, so let's agree to disagree on that.

[Aquamaraqua]

I don't think that there is anything that qualifies anyone to be top 11 in this show other than votes. It's kpop where Spica is a flop and TWICE is the next ngg, the value of talent is low.

 

I personally has never seen anyone ever succeeding in learning stage presence and I've been around in professional dancing&singing for 15+ years, so let's agree to disagree on that.

Well I mean children aren't born knowing stage presence. They may have some genetic variables that allow them to be better suited for things like singing and dancing, but stage presence doesn't solely come from within. Trainees are literally trained to do things that qualify as stage presence, whether it be a wink, lip bite, or just overall energy.

 

And again, I'm here for the talent, regardless of what the current trends in K-Pop may or may not be. Sure the show is based on votes, but in the end it's to create a musical group.

[wiaraewiwiarae]

Well I mean children aren't born knowing stage presence. They may have some genetic variables that allow them to be better suited for things like singing and dancing, but stage presence doesn't solely come from within. Trainees are literally trained to do things that qualify as stage presence, whether it be a wink, lip bite, or just overall energy.

 

And again, I'm here for the talent, regardless of what the current trends in K-Pop may or may not be. Sure the show is based on votes, but in the end it's to create a musical group.

 

Nope, one does not have to do anything to have stage presence. Take Seonho and, say, Ha Minho who was on the same Sorry Sorry team and have them stand and do nothing before an audience for 5 minutes. 90% of the audience won't remember that Minho was there. And it's not a visual thing either, one just attracts attention of majority by simply being there, the other doesn't unless he does something entertaining. Sohye has it - she stole the show even when in a group of two better looking and much more skilled girls.

 

It's to create an idol group. People are voting for trainees they like, not trainees they think have good skills. And majority of top 11 in all episodes are not lacking in skills, so having 1-2 unskilled members won't matter much for performances but will have an impact in terms of number of fans. 

[wiaraewiwiarae]

And actually no, many of the great vocals we heard were eliminated this past elimination. I made a thread on Lee Gunmin, but Kim Jaehan, Choi Jinhyung and Wang Minhyuk were eliminated. Not to mention all-rounders like Choi Jaewoo, Dongmyung, Kyungmok and Kwonhyub are also gone.

 

And I was curious, so I looked them up...

Lee Gunmin:

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Kim Jaehan:

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Choi Jinhyung:

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Wang Minhyuk:

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Great vocals? - they're ok, but great isn't the word even by this show's low standard. I'm sorry, I really can't relate. All the actual great vocals are still in.

[Aquamaraqua]

 

And I was curious, so I looked them up...

Lee Gunmin:

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Kim Jaehan:

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Choi Jinhyung:

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Wang Minhyuk:

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Great vocals? - they're ok, but great isn't the word even by this show's low standard. I'm sorry, I really can't relate. All the actual great vocals are still in.

You're ping-ponging between the idea that talent doesn't matter on the show and then going back to point out xxx talented people are still in the show. I'm confused by what your argument is. 

 

And actually you chose the poorest videos you could find for Lee Gunmin. Here's a better one:

 

 

The best vocal performance on the show hands down thus far (I supported Woodam before his recent surge in popularity, but I still think Gunmin had a better display of vocal ability in Ep. 5). And after all that he still goes and does a backflip because that's what is required for him in the perf.

 

And by this show's standards, Jaehan, Jinhyung and Minhyuk are one of the few better vocalists. They're the ones doing the high-notes to make performances have a climax of a sort. High notes aren't everything, but a lot of idol songs do require them, and plenty of other vocals like Jaewoo have shown potential but were given two "rap" lines for their group performances. 

 

In the end, of course many of the good vocalists are still in the show, but Mnet's editing and the popularity votes are largely arbitrary in terms of talent. Many are talented folks are in while many are out. That's what my whole point was with this thread. Talent isn't a main consideration, and while that's obviously going to be true to some extent for every show out there, I think it's sad and wanted to point it out.

[wiaraewiwiarae]

You're ping-ponging between the idea that talent doesn't matter on the show and then going back to point out xxx talented people are still in the show. I'm confused by what your argument is. 

 

And actually you chose the poorest videos you could find for Lee Gunmin. Here's a better one:

 

 

The best vocal performance on the show hands down thus far (I supported Woodam before his recent surge in popularity, but I still think Gunmin had a better display of vocal ability in Ep. 5). And after all that he still goes and does a backflip because that's what is required for him in the perf.

 

And by this show's standards, Jaehan, Jinhyung and Minhyuk are one of the few better vocalists. They're the ones doing the high-notes to make performances have a climax of a sort. High notes aren't everything, but a lot of idol songs do require them, and plenty of other vocals like Jaewoo have shown potential but were given two "rap" lines for their group performances. 

 

In the end, of course many of the good vocalists are still in the show, but Mnet's editing and the popularity votes are largely arbitrary in terms of talent. Many are talented folks are in while many are out. That's what my whole point was with this thread. Talent isn't a main consideration, and while that's obviously going to be true to some extent for every show out there, I think it's sad and wanted to point it out.

 

I think that talent doesn't matter on the show, but there are indeed talented people on the show. Don't see contradiction. It's just this show's winners are not decided by singing/rapping/dancing talent. Having a talent is good, but not enough, not having one isn't bad as long as you're popular.

 

I watched that one, he's ok, but there is not enough singing to judge. I'm not saying that they're all bad, but they're not that great. They're not main vocal level, lead if the group's vocal level isn't too high.