IUsus 303 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 when they sing,, voice sounds like a child singing.......is it to appeal to loll icon fetish??? its weird....seeing grown women behave like a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,631 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 the irony of this coming from an IU stan also, Girls Rule is an anthem and should be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Not all J idols do? And it's not like K-Pop isn't favoring an innocent + childish concept these days anyway. Have you heard rookie girl groups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FactMan 2,366 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I want to inform you that you are being racist and discriminatory. Please reconsider your views. You probably can't do this alone so please put a lot of your thoughts on overcoming this limitation and learn from more informed, open-minded people. I can't bother to type a paragraph today so good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue7kaoru 17,423 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I don't see how those are children voices... Also a lot of those songs you posted are cheerful so ofc they're gonna sing them in a cheerful way and high pitched tone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Not all J idols do? And it's not like K-Pop isn't favoring an innocent + childish concept these days anyway. Have you heard rookie girl groups? E-Girls & Color Code aren't Idols btw, but I agree that some Korean Groups with innocent concepts sound the same, so there is no problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 E-Girls & Color Code aren't Idols btw, but I agree that some Korean Groups with innocent concepts sound the same, so there is no problem here. LDH can deny it all they want E-Girls are still idols in terms of how they're promoted lbr color-code not so much but it's still J-Pop and the term idols is much looser for K-Pop fans so I decided to throw them in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral Summit 269 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Not all of them, you clearly know nothing about Japanese singers, idols, and bands. Let me show you some of them with good voice that I know. Usually most of them come from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s which is the golden age of J-POP. Although now in 2017, there are still some of them with good voice and I'll show you some of them too. PART 1 Matsuda Seiko Kiroro Utada Hikaru AZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkrIY3btxkQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelisk 425 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 How about Keyaki? Maybe because songs you choose are cute concept? How about choosing more darker songs? Morning Musume changed drasticaly their concept, but this is theit hit song: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 LDH can deny it all they want E-Girls are still idols in terms of how they're promoted lbr color-code not so much but it's still J-Pop and the term idols is much looser for K-Pop fans so I decided to throw them in anyway. Except they are not promoted as idols at all, they don't have relationship bans like other idol groups do, they don't use gimmicks to sell various different versions of the same songs like Idols do and they don't participate in handshake events to sell their music (idols also usually have lots of extras with their singles, hence the high numbers for first day releases). LDH isn't an Idol Company, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Except they are not promoted as idols at all, they don't have relationship bans like other idol groups do, they don't use gimmicks to sell various different versions of the same songs like Idols do and they don't participate in handshake events to sell their music (idols also usually have lots of extras with their singles, hence the high numbers for first day releases). LDH isn't an Idol Company, period. They appear on idol shows all the time though. I personally think the idea of an idol has shifted in Japan. This article has some pretty good insight too http://aramajapan.com/news/music/ranking-of-artists-who-are-thought-of-as-idols-but-deny-it/19012/ And even if E-Girls aren't idols in the J-Pop realm, in the K-Pop realm they would be considered idols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 They appear on idol shows all the time though. I personally think the idea of an idol has shifted in Japan. This article has some pretty good insight too http://aramajapan.com/news/music/ranking-of-artists-who-are-thought-of-as-idols-but-deny-it/19012/ And even if E-Girls aren't idols in the J-Pop realm, in the K-Pop realm they would be considered idols. You shouldn't describe Japanese groups using 'Kpop Terms' for starters, would you use that reasoning on an American Group like Fifth Harmony? Japan has several Pop Groups that aren't exclusively 'Idols', Idols in Japan have a specific marketing formula and not every boy or girl groups falls in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 You shouldn't describe Japanese groups using 'Kpop Terms' for starters, would you use that reasoning on an American Group like Fifth Harmony? Japan has several Pop Groups that aren't exclusively 'Idols', Idols in Japan have a specific marketing formula and not every boy or girl groups falls in that category. I'm using it in K-Pop terms because this is a K-Pop fan asking why all J-idols sound like children. Does that make sense? And clearly a substantial amount of people disagree, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzjacko12 211 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Here they're not children-sound like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demasta 23,252 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'm using it in K-Pop terms because this is a K-Pop fan asking why all J-idols sound like children. Does that make sense? And clearly a substantial amount of people disagree, lol Even if a Kpop Fan is asking, you shouldn't give them false information...so your proof is a few aramajapan comments? A site where it's Commenters are known for having it out for LDH, and not the specific definition and culture of Idols in Japan. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Even if a Kpop Fan is asking, you shouldn't give them false information...so your proof is a few aramajapan comments? A site where it's Commenters are known for having it out for LDH, and not the specific definition and culture of Idols in Japan. Ok No, it's the Arama article and the Yahoo Japan survey. It's not false information if it's not something set in stone in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 No, it's the Arama article and the Yahoo Japan survey. It's not false information if it's not something set in stone in the first place... LDH Groups aren't Idols despite what surveys and comments you want to throw at people, they don't market like Idol Groups and they themselves don't claim to be an Idol Company so everything you're saying is just hearsay and nothing is set in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral Summit 269 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 PART 2 Jyukai Sugawara Sayuri Nishino Kana Miwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 LDH Groups aren't Idols despite what surveys and comments you want to throw at people, they don't market like Idol Groups and they themselves don't claim to be an Idol Company so everything you're saying is just hearsay and nothing is set in stone. My definition of idols is different from yours. I never used the fact that people disagree as a way to set the definition of idol as a truth, just that there are others who have a similar view as mine (from a general public survey in Japan), so maybe there's something to it. Let's just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doki-doki 21,660 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 My definition of idols is different from yours. I never used the fact that people disagree as a way to set the definition of idol as a truth, just that there are others who have a similar view as mine (from a general public survey in Japan), so maybe there's something to it. Let's just leave it at that. I already told you that Idol Groups like 46/48G are marketed and managed in a specific way which makes them Idols in Japan but LDH groups certainly aren't, they're just Groups, you don't need to label every group as 'Idol' because they came from Japan. Anyway, I'm not going to continue the conversation, I respect your opinion, but let's just agree to disagree. Good Day~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onesnowyday 1,315 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Children? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvKTL_k0bU skip to 12:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral Summit 269 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 PART 3 YUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmfkWdGSbw LiSA Ikimono Gakari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochichan 12,341 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Like others point out it's more to match concepts. There are alot of members that have deeper vocals than when they sing cute songs https://youtube.com/watch?v=RemocZHYCLg http://alive.in.th/watch_video.php?v=A781HOH5U6H9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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