Interview with Tao's Lawyer: SM is being shady and greedy

[Hallyucination]

Interview with Tao's Lawyer: SM is being shady and greedy

 

Plain English version:

 

Sina interviewed Tao's lawyers regarding the Seoul court decision.

 

 

Lawyers: Tao's lawsuit is different can't follow other similar cases

 

Sina: What is the link between the Chinese and Korean lawsuits?

 

Lawyer: We filed a claim to nullify the contract against SM in Korea and SM filed a lawsuit to enforce Tao's contract in China. Basically it's overall the same case it's the lawsuit and the countersuit.

 

Sina: We heard from Korean media that Tao lost what is up with that? 

 

Lawyer: We also heard from the Korean news report that Tao lost, the ink was not even dry yet in the paperwork and SM is already media playing we have not received the official verdict and don't even know what and how Tao lost! This is bullsh*t.

 

Sina: If the Korean courts verdict is valid what is the worst-case scenario?  We heard Kris and Luhan settled why did this not happen with Tao's case?

 

Lawyer: First of all we can't accept that verdict, we are not accepting this verdict as valid, it's not happening.

 

Secondly, we can't divulge the details of Kris and Luhan’s lawsuit (reminder they also represented them)

 

But our main thing is that there is extensive evidence of Tao's mistreatment and injuries and mismanagement of his career, everybody knows this.

 

In any case the Kris/Luhan case and Tao's case are not the same, their case cannot be used as a reference for Tao's case.

 

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They want to fight for Tao's human rights

 

Lawyer: The Korean decision doesn't affect Tao's career.

 

Sina: We hear there is some shadiness involved with the Korean verdict? Things got rushed? What is the tea?

 

Lawyer: Yeah there seems to some behind the scenes manipulation, 

They shouldn't have been able to reach a decision that quickly based on our experience, similar cases took more time

 

Also since they lost the lawsuit in China back in November SM's has been acting weird, suddenly refusing to mediate anymore after the last hearing in April and announcing they wanted to go to judgment right away. After that we saw in the documents that SM submitted to the courts that they whined about the fact that :

 

'' Chinese artists have been able to get away from their slave management and leave to pursue their career in their home country, succeed and make tons of money and they don't want to give us a cut!

 

Now with the hallyu ban in China it's hard to make money there! So we really need this!

 

If Tao is allowed to win, we are f*cked as a company and hallyu would be in deep sh*t too''

 

So based on SM's complaints we are side eyeing this judgment and what is it really about...

 

Sina: Are you willing to reach a settlement after you appeal?

 

Lawyer:  That depends on SM; we think the original contract violates Korean laws and Tao's human rights many times. We will insist on cancelling the contract but if SM wants to settle we have always been open to give them a lump sum of money to compensate for their help into developing Tao's potential. We can pay for that. But we won't accept them getting anything else from him; basically we are not giving them a cut of everything he's made on his own.

 

 

Sina: Will the Korean verdict affect Tao's career in any way?

 

Lawyer: No, this is just the first judgment and it's not put into action. Chinese courts rejected both SM's lawsuits. SM has no right over Tao or his activities. They can't enforce their contract in China. Tao is living his life unbothered he just won the Outstanding Singer award at GMIC and he's starting his tour this weekend! We think Tao's career will be very smooth and successful!

 

 

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Full version:

 

 

My comments: So basically it all boils down to this, seems like the verdict in Korea it's less about ensuring justice is rendered but about protecting SM's and Hallyu wave business interests

 

Tao's team is willing to pay SM a lump sum of money but SM wants a cut of everything he does probably until the contract would expire if it was enforced they are being greedy as I thougth.

[Kstarnet]

SM being shady as always

[blue7kaoru]

Ok but is there even any legit reason why he broke his contract. It's been years and i still don't understand, neither Kris and Luhan's cases...

 

edit: yeah ofc i'm getting negged without a legit answer lmao

[Hailang]

Your summary is amazing.   And yes! at Tao not settling. Settling right now only benefits SM especially since they are going to mediaplay how they "won". Tao's lawyer laying out these truths and SM remains using Tao as Chinese as an excuse when he has a strong case with his injuries that pretty much violated his human rights as an employee (not having the time to rest and provided with proper care). 

[Acer]

SM the worst.. 

[Honeystan]

I like the way you write. 

[adda]

 

My comments: So basically it all boils down to this, seems like the verdict in Korea it's less about ensuring justice is rendered but about protecting SM's and Hallyu wave business interests

 

Tao's team is willing to pay SM a lump sum of money but SM wants a cut of everything he does probably until the contract would expire if it was enforced they are being greedy as I though.

 

isn't this the agreement SM have with Luhan and Kris? share a part of their revenues with SM until 2022 although SM is doing nothing for them ? The lawsuit cannot be prolonged indefinitely,  so I hope Tao's lawyers will reach an agreement that benefits Tao. 

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

Ok but is there even any legit reason why he broke his contract. It's been years and i still don't understand, neither Kris and Luhan's cases...

 

edit: yeah ofc i'm getting negged without a legit answer lmao

 

What do you mean, LOL, it's obvious for all of them if you take two seconds to read their statements when they left as they say SPECIFICALLY why they left~

 

For Tao especially, he said he wanted to heal his ankle and SM wouldn't let him. It's been states several times for years so IDK how you don't know unless you just don't care in general.

[blue7kaoru]

What do you mean, LOL, it's obvious for all of them if you take two seconds to read their statements when they left as they say SPECIFICALLY why they left~

 

For Tao especially, he said he wanted to heal his ankle and SM wouldn't let him. It's been states several times for years so IDK how you don't know unless you just don't care in general.

Girl i know you're a fan of the members who left but no i don't buy the whole ankle thing, especially when SM did let him heal !!

The only who had a legit reason imo was Luhan because the boy looked overworked to death. Lbr the only reason the others left was because they knew they'd make bank in China more than in Korea and there's nothing wrong with that just that they have to deal with the consequences of breaking a contract.

 

edit: damn i really made some ppl pressed lmaooo

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

Girl i know you're a fan of the members who left but no i don't buy the whole ankle thing, especially when SM did let him heal !!

The only who had a legit reason imo was Luhan because the boy looked overworked to death. Lbr the only reason the others left was because they knew they'd make bank in China more than in Korea and there's nothing wrong with that just that they have to deal with the consequences of breaking a contract.

 

LOOOOL, no SM did not let him heal. They made him shoot two MVs and go to schedules when the doctor had told him he should not even be moving. There are pics of his ankle and everything like Tao's reason for leaving is not even in question~ If you believe SM's sht then you do you~

 

I always LOL and people who say "they left for money" BS when Kris has turned down movie roles, Luhan almost cancelled concerts because they were trying to charge fans more than originally stated, and Tao gave out his music for free for about a year after he left. But OK, yeah, they left for money. Anyway, like I said, if you wanna beleve SM's sht when they haven't been able to offer a decent defense for ANY of these three cases since they began, you can go right on ahead~ 

[blue7kaoru]

LOOOOL, no SM did not let him heal. They made him shoot two MVs and go to schedules when the doctor had told him he should not even be moving. There are pics of his ankle and everything like Tao's reason for leaving is not even in question~ If you believe SM's sht then you do you~

 

I always LOL and people who say "they left for money" BS when Kris has turned down movie roles, Luhan almost cancelled concerts because they were trying to charge fans more than originally stated, and Tao gave out his music for free for about a year after he left. But OK, yeah, they left for money. Anyway, like I said, if you wanna beleve SM's sht when they haven't been able to offer a decent defense for ANY of these three cases since they began, you can go right on ahead~ 

Look hun Kris was my bias but i'm not deluded enough to believe the members are some kind of angels they left for money and that's the truth. Compared to Hangeng and JYJ's cases these ones don't have enough material to base their contract breaking on so....

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

Look hun Kris was my bias but i'm not deluded enough to believe the members are some kind of angels they left for money and that's the truth. Compared to Hangeng and JYJ's cases these ones don't have enough material to base their contract breaking on so....

 

They don't have enough material, meanwhile SM still didn't win~ OK, whatever you say~

[blue7kaoru]

They don't have enough material, meanwhile SM still didn't win~ OK, whatever you say~

The boys didn't completely win either....

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

The boys didn't completely win either....

 

I know, they reaches a settlement~ But what defense did SM offer for anything during any of these cases? Not a word~ They went off about all this "they're greedy" blah blah, BS, too, and then ended up not being able to prove sht~

[blue7kaoru]

I know, they reaches a settlement~ But what defense did SM offer for anything during any of these cases? Not a word~ They went off about all this "they're greedy" blah blah, BS, too, and then ended up not being able to prove sht~

The boys didn't prove anything either lol

Anyway this discussion is going nowhere, it's been years and fans still argue about this...

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

The boys didn't prove anything either lol

Anyway this discussion is going nowhere, it's been years and fans still argue about this...

 

They proved enough of what they needed, hence SM not winning and having no control over their Chinese activities~ 

 

Anyway, you asked for an answer, I gave you one based on what happened in the courts~ If you don't want to believe it, then I can't tell you anything~

[Happykpopper]

SM being greedy as always.I wonder who is their mastermind who keep sucking all of their exo idols.That's one evil man

[WenSuelRene]

YAAAAAAYYY, SO HAPPY FOR MY BABY!!!     Keep doing well in China! <<<333

 

 

Lol, non-fans always so interested in the ex-members 

[victaorious]

Ok but is there even any legit reason why he broke his contract. It's been years and i still don't understand, neither Kris and Luhan's cases...

 

edit: yeah ofc i'm getting negged without a legit answer lmao

They made him film an mv and perform on a sprained ankle. But they also promised to make a studio for him, which was his idea that he negotiated along with his father, but then did take-backs and did not follow through with their promise (basically they lied to him and his father)

Hate linking to koreaboo but here is his dad's letter.

http://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/taos-father-shares-emotional-letter-revealing-bringing-tao-back-home/

 

The boys didn't prove anything either lol

Anyway this discussion is going nowhere, it's been years and fans still argue about this...

Don't worry, you're not incorrect, I'm sure in their case it was better for everyone involved just to settle. They settled on advice of this same lawyer who is suggesting Tao does not settle and instead keep appealing, so their situations are different according to the lawyer. The other two are blocked from performing in a lot of countries so I really hope Tao does not go that route, especially when the lawyer that served all three seems to think he doesn't have to.

[blue7kaoru]

They made him film an mv and perform on a sprained ankle. But they also promised to make a studio for him, which was his idea that he negotiated along with his father, but then did take-backs and did not follow through with their promise (basically they lied to him and his father)

Hate linking to koreaboo but here is his dad's letter.

http://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/taos-father-shares-emotional-letter-revealing-bringing-tao-back-home/

 

Don't worry, you're not incorrect, I'm sure in their case it was better for everyone involved just to settle. They settled on advice of this same lawyer who is suggesting Tao does not settle and instead keep appealing, so their situations are different according to the lawyer. The other two are blocked from performing in a lot of countries so I really hope Tao does not go that route, especially when the lawyer that served all three seems to think he doesn't have to.

I see thank you for answering so nicely.

Yeah i hope this gets settled very fast, it's tiring for everyone involved whether it's fans or the artists themselves.

[everypart]

They made him film an mv and perform on a sprained ankle. But they also promised to make a studio for him, which was his idea that he negotiated along with his father, but then did take-backs and did not follow through with their promise (basically they lied to him and his father)

Hate linking to koreaboo but here is his dad's letter.

http://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/taos-father-shares-emotional-letter-revealing-bringing-tao-back-home/

 

Don't worry, you're not incorrect, I'm sure in their case it was better for everyone involved just to settle. They settled on advice of this same lawyer who is suggesting Tao does not settle and instead keep appealing, so their situations are different according to the lawyer. The other two are blocked from performing in a lot of countries so I really hope Tao does not go that route, especially when the lawyer that served all three seems to think he doesn't have to.

LMFAO WHAT. Where are you getting that? Kris and Luhan are FREE to work ANYWHERE in the world, hence Kris being able to work and fly anywhere he wants. He was even able to work in Japan (he received an acting award there last year and walked the red carpet for the Tokyo International Film Festival). SM can manage them in Japan and Korea only, and seeing that they barely work there anyway then they're fine. They're done with the legal debacle and can work without worries and being hounded by SM.

[MusicL]

With the accusation of the Korean court system, do you have any proofs ? Korea is a democratic country not a communist, the judge decisions are based on laws not political motives.

[♥SNS-Shinomiya♥]

You know its one thing to not like part of your job. However why not just buy your contract out or abide by it until its over. I don't like the idea of people not finishing out thier contract and then complain all the shit they had to put up with. The trainee period should have bit a life lesson of what they were going into, debuting will only increase the workload and the stress both mentally and physically. If your body can't handle the workload then you talk about leaving after a period of time or sue for your injuries, you don't walk out of a contract.

[Nintat]

You know its one thing to not like part of your job. However why not just buy your contract out or abide by it until its over. I don't like the idea of people not finishing out thier contract and then complain all the shit they had to put up with. The trainee period should have bit a life lesson of what they were going into, debuting will only increase the workload and the stress both mentally and physically. If your body can't handle the workload then you talk about leaving after a period of time or sue for your injuries, you don't walk out of a contract.

I don't even know where to begin with this comment. Jfc sometimes when you do not understand a situation or don't have the information is best to just don't give any opinion.

I don't know where to begin with you but let me try to give you some food for thought:

1. There is a long ass list of injuries, Tao didn't leave at the 1st injury where he was made to work while injured by the company. He put up with enough, way too much, actually, imo.

2. Before filing a lawsuit to terminate his contract, Tao tried to negotiate with SM 8 times without the need for a lawsuit, they denied each time. They want to keep profiting from the artists for the contract lenght and make profit off of their activities, especially now with Hallyu ban in China.

3. You say "If your body can't handle the workload then you talk about leaving after a period of time" what is this period of time you speak of?, cause he waited a period of time, as far as I remember he was a member of Exo for years, what more did he need to wait for? Until he was crippled from working when he had orders from doctors not to do so? Tao is a martial artist, in case some of you don't remember.

 

The notion that people have to put up with unreasonable work conditions because "they signed a contract" is disgusting.

He didn't sign to have his human rights violated. SM as his management company should have acted on the best interest of their artist. Overworking artists, making them work while injured, etc. SM as his management company shouldn't have allowed that to happen to begin with.

Additionally, is right there on the interview, the lawyers said they are willing to pay and I quote "We will insist on cancelling the contract but if SM wants to settle we have always been open to give them a lump sum of money to compensate for their help into developing Tao's potential."

 

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions but you seem awfully uninformed about the situation.

 

With the accusation of the Korean court system, do you have any proofs ? Korea is a democratic country not a communist, the judge decisions are based on laws not political motives.

Democratic nation equals a just judiciary system? Since when?

Also, is on the lawyers statement what made them suspicious.

Don't ask dumb questions, you should know damn well no user here will have "proof".

[♥SNS-Shinomiya♥]

I don't even know where to begin with this comment. Jfc sometimes when you do not understand a situation or don't have the information is best to just don't give any opinion.

I don't know where to begin with you but let me try to give you some food for thought:

1. There is a long ass list of injuries, Tao didn't leave at the 1st injury where he was made to work while injured by the company. He put up with enough, way too much, actually, imo.

2. Before filing a lawsuit to terminate his contract, Tao tried to negotiate with SM 8 times without the need for a lawsuit, they denied each time. They want to keep profiting from the artists for the contract lenght and make profit off of their activities, especially now with Hallyu ban in China.

3. You say "If your body can't handle the workload then you talk about leaving after a period of time" what is this period of time you speak of?, cause he waited a period of time, as far as I remember he was a member of Exo for years, what more did he need to wait for? Until he was crippled from working when he had orders from doctors not to do so? Tao is a martial artist, in case some of you don't remember.

 

The notion that people have to put up with unreasonable work conditions because "they signed a contract" is disgusting.

He didn't sign to have his human rights violated. SM as his management company should have acted on the best interest of their artist. Overworking artists, making them work while injured, etc. SM as his management company shouldn't have allowed that to happen to begin with.

Additionally, is right there on the interview, the lawyers said they are willing to pay and I quote "We will insist on cancelling the contract but if SM wants to settle we have always been open to give them a lump sum of money to compensate for their help into developing Tao's potential."

 

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions but you seem awfully uninformed about the situation.

     I didn't say he had to put up with SM, but at the very least he has to either nullify his contract (legally) or sue for injuries, but you don't break a contract. I don't think Tao exhausted all measures to get out of a contract. Is he a villian, no. But it doesn't look right for someone to just to walk out of a contract because of thier body but have no doctor's notes suggesting that Tao take it easy or sue the company for making them work against a doctor's request.