WIN: What should be done with Team B?

[SimSimi]

I know there aren't many people who care about this but it required a new thread because it'd be too controversial to discuss in the official artist thread. This thread is mainly for WIN fans who want to discuss the group in a hypothetical way like we used to in the WIN thread before it died.

 

Now that Team B has lost the show, YG has an opportunity to make changes to the member lineup - and has suggested that he will. How do you think he should go about improving the group? The most common complaints about the group during the show were that their vocals are too weak to debut as they are and that the group is not dynamic enough/the members don't all stand out.

 

 

My take:

I really think YG should make Team B a 4-member group and make them the next 1TYM. 1TYM had 2 rappers, 1 vocalist and one hybrid vocalist/rapper. 

 

B.I/Bobby/Jinhwan/Junhwe would be a perfect lineup without adding any members. These 4 are the strongest members and the rap + vocal lines counterbalance each other perfectly (Junhwe's deep vocal is balanced by Jinhwan's higher tone that cuts through, same with Bobby and B.I).

 

The other 2 vocalists are weak, not memorable and don't add anything to the group's dynamic. In fact, they take away from it. YG groups flourish because they're unique within the marketplace and each member stands out individually. A 4-member boy group is more unique than a 6-member one and less members means each member will stand out more. The current 6-member group has too many sub-par vocalists that sound similar to each other and it makes the whole group appear mediocre. YG himself is aware of this - he pointed out that Yunhyung and Donghyuk do not stand out (WIN episode... 3, iirc?), so he should act on it now that he has the chance. Less is more sometimes.

 

If a 4-member group is out of the question then at the very least, one of the deadweight members must be cut or replaced. Even another alternative is to give Yunhyung extensive vocal training (outside of YG) and see if Donghyuk can become a decent enough rapper so that he can at least be a swiss army knife type of member, since he's clearly not worth keeping based only on his singing. This would be the only way I'd accept the group with no lineup changes, but it's not my ideal option. YG vocalists usually don't improve much so it's being too optimistic to think they'd get significantly better within a year's time.

 

tl;dr read the bold

[HotWalkin]

they should debut with everyone they have in team b , no adding or removing any members .

[Nahyun]

im refuse to vote

how about just keep the current one

[NappeunGZB]

None of the Above

They should debut as they are

[ShawolSONEexo]

They should all debut, they are all talented as hell. 

[PanShip]

ok so a 7+ member group would be a no-go for a yg group so i cut that out. Another line-up i think they could come up is 3-members.

BI and Bobby + either a new added member with really good vocals or Junhwe who has definitely the potential or Jinnie who has that unique voice..

This would take the idol status from them since they are only 3. Also more respect by the public. I also like the idea of a 4-member group as 6 were already too many since the poor other twos were outshined by double b so that their group dynamic was kinda weak. Less members -> more individuality

 

and lol you were right... no one is in the mood to discuss -.-

[adelightfulsong]

The 1TYM idea is good but...Donghyuk is SO CUTE.

 

(Yeah, I know...it doesn't mean he has to be in a YG group just because he's cute.)

[Mees Madds]

Considering they have been seen together as 6 since WIN ended and they just appeared on WINNERTV in the same format and YG is planning to debut them by the end of the year or most probably the start of next year, I don't think there will be any replacements or additions. A new member would be very hard to integrate in a tight group like theirs and the fans don't want anyone else. So you either give them a chance in their current format or leave them alone to do what they are training very hard to do.

[Darius]

Fully agree with your post Sim. I think the dynamic 1TYM had was amazing and i'd like to see that again.

 

Unfortunately I don't think YG is concerned with any of this, and he will simply debut them as they are because fangirls are already attached to them. Ideally he would cut the two useless ones but I can deal with 1-2 new vocals too. 

[junglove]

I think they should replace the weakest vocalist (either Yunhyung or Dongyuk)  for a really good one. They already have Junhwe who is improving already, but they need another strong vocalist. That's all they need because they already have B.I and Bobby. 

 

[PanShip]

Considering they have been seen together as 6 since WIN ended and they just appeared on WINNERTV in the same format and YG is planning to debut them by the end of the year or most probably the start of next year, I don't think there will be any replacements or additions. A new member would be very hard to integrate in a tight group like theirs and the fans don't want anyone else. So you either give them a chance in their current format or leave them alone to do what they are training very hard to do.

thats true since yg showed all 6 of them but we dont know exactly when the last episode or these support messages were filmed so changes from yg are still possible. Dont forget that YG is a troll :DD

 

BTW wasnt there a new trainee spotted with team b?

[Aion Divinity]

No one is being replaced, added or etc.

 

Team B is what it will always be.

Deal.

 
Don't make me act up today.

[NappeunGZB]

Fully agree with your post Sim. I think the dynamic 1TYM had was amazing and i'd like to see that again.

 

Unfortunately I don't think YG is concerned with any of this, and he will simply debut them as they are because fangirls are already attached to them.

Exactly this, 

Us fans like the group as it is and have become really attached to every single member. One thing Team is really strong in is, team work and have a great friendship. It really shows when their onstage together and makes their performances really enjoyable to watch. Adding members may work, but taking out the "weaklings" will really throw the group dynamic.

[SimSimi]

they should debut with everyone they have in team b , no adding or removing any members .

 

Unless you're sentimental about them as people (fangirl), I don't see any reason to be in favor of not making the strongest lineup possible with the available options. You can clearly see that the more talented half of the vocal line (Junhwe, Jinhwan) are being somewhat buried underneath extraneous members that don't contribute to the group. Cutting off the fat is the only way they'll shine to their fullest potential.

 

The 1TYM idea is good but...Donghyuk is SO CUTE.

 

(Yeah, I know...it doesn't mean he has to be in a YG group just because he's cute.)

 

He's just too plain for a company like YG. Even other "untalented" members like Dara and Jinwoo have visual appeal and star quality so they're not totally non-contributing.

 

Fully agree with your post Sim. I think the dynamic 1TYM had was amazing and i'd like to see that again.

 

Unfortunately I don't think YG is concerned with any of this, and he will simply debut them as they are because fangirls are already attached to them. Ideally he would cut the two useless ones but I can deal with 1-2 new vocals too. 

 

Which is why WIN was a bit of a double-edged sword... On one hand, the group will debut with an established fandom. On the other hand, that commitment might threaten to stop YG from making decisions that would improve the group from a more objective POV.

[Mees Madds]

thats true since yg showed all 6 of them but we dont know exactly when the last episode or these support messages were filmed so changes from yg are still possible. Dont forget that YG is a troll :DD

 

BTW wasnt there a new trainee spotted with team b?

It couldn't have been filmed too long ago. YG may be a troll but he knows what he's doing. He didn't put those boys through WIN and it's aftermath just to kick them out after. He already said on the show that he sees potential in Yunhyeong and Donghyuk. 

That new trainee was with Team B and Bang Yedam at Big Bang's concert and he seems really young so I don't think he has anything to do with the group besides them being trainees.

[Aion Divinity]

I mean if we're going to remove weak links then Jinwoo would've been out the fucking door after his first year of training.

 

But no, he debuted and improved (somewhat).

But he remained because YG saw/sees potential.

I fail to see why some of you cannot see that YG is trying to build from the base up.

He sees potential.

 

You need to worry about Jennie and how she's going keep her lil badass out of prison.

[NappeunGZB]

Some OT6 to make this topic pretty

[SimSimi]

 

I mean if we're going to remove weak links then Jinwoo would've been out the fucking door after his first year of training.

 

But no, he debuted and improved (somewhat).

But he remained because YG saw/sees potential.

I fail to see why some of you thick skulled idiots cannot see that YG is trying to build from the base up.

He sees potential.

 

You need to worry about Jennie and how she's going keep her lil badass out of prison.

 

 

I'd discuss about member changes in WINNER as well, but unfortunately that's no longer plausible since they won the show. Meaning they all have to debut - that was kinda part of the package.

 

Jinwoo was kept solely because of his flower-boy appearance. He's still talentless and YG knows that, but he's the Dara of the group. What exactly is Donghyuk's potential role that makes him worth keeping? Even if he was the main dancer or contributed something creatively, I'd somewhat understand. But he doesn't and there are better dancers in the group.

[Mees Madds]

I don't see how making a next 1TYM would be a good idea. They don't need to be a next something. Them as 6 are something new for YG considering the fact that they are a more dancing group than any other group that has come out of this company. They can become a new challenge for YG and I think he likes that idea. 

[Darius]

Which is why WIN was a bit of a double-edged sword... On one hand, the group will debut with an established fandom. On the other hand, that commitment might threaten to stop YG from making decisions that would improve the group from a more objective POV.

I think he would've done it like this regardless of WIN. YGE is not the same agency it was pre-2006 or even pre-2009. 

 

YG groups up until 2NE1 were entertainers/musicians first, idols second which is what made them unique especially among other idols. They all had unique sounds/"colours" which I don't see in the new gen groups like Winner, Team B or the New GG. They are the opposite: Idols first, entertainers/musicians second.

[PanShip]

 

I mean if we're going to remove weak links then Jinwoo would've been out the fucking door after his first year of training.

 

But no, he debuted and improved (somewhat).

But he remained because YG saw/sees potential.

I fail to see why some of you thick skulled idiots cannot see that YG is trying to build from the base up.

He sees potential.

 

You need to worry about Jennie and how she's going keep her lil badass out of prison.

 

no one is bashing here someone so why do you feel the need to do that. If you dont want to discuss then just leave ... gezz

and this thread has NOTHING to do with jennie

 

It couldn't have been filmed too long ago. YG may be a troll but he knows what he's doing. He didn't put those boys through WIN and it's aftermath just to kick them out after. He already said on the show that he sees potential in Yunhyeong and Donghyuk. 

That new trainee was with Team B and Bang Yedam at Big Bang's concert and he seems really young so I don't think he has anything to do with the group besides them being trainees.

that would be something every normal thinking person would say.... but thats yg :D i always expect the unexpected from him :DDD

oh so he was that young. OK thank you i didnt know that. I was just surprised because i thought he was also with team b

[SimSimi]

I don't see how making a next 1TYM would be a good idea. They don't need to be a next something. Them as 6 are something new for YG considering the fact that they are a more dancing group than any other group that has come out of this company. They can become a new challenge for YG and I think he likes that idea. 

 

The problem though is that they're not something different for the current market overall. It's more important to stand out it in the industry than it is to stand out within YG. Conveniently, Slacker kind of expounds upon that idea here:

 

YG groups up until 2NE1 were entertainers/musicians first, idols second which is what made them unique especially among other idols. They all had unique sounds/"colours" which I don't see in the new gen groups like Winner, Team B or the New GG. They are the opposite: Idols first, entertainers/musicians second.

 

That's actually very accurate. I've always kind of felt this but never saw it put into words that way before.

[Mees Madds]

 

I mean if we're going to remove weak links then Jinwoo would've been out the fucking door after his first year of training.

 

But no, he debuted and improved (somewhat).

But he remained because YG saw/sees potential.

I fail to see why some of you thick skulled idiots cannot see that YG is trying to build from the base up.

He sees potential.

 

You need to worry about Jennie and how she's going keep her lil badass out of prison.

 

 

Let's not compare and get into other things. They actually think they know how to improve our group, the group whose albums we are going to buy and concerts we're going to go to so it's worth to listen to them. Not that YG will listen, of course. 

[Aion Divinity]

 

Jinwoo was kept solely because of his flower-boy appearance. He's still talentless and YG knows that, but he's the Dara of the group. What exactly is Donghyuk's potential role that makes him worth keeping? 

 

Donghyuk's smooth and feathery voice is a pleasure to the ears.

He's the visual & the flower boy of B.

YG himself sees that and his potential and finds him worthy enough to remain.

 

 

 

no one is bashing here someone so why do you feel the need to do that. 

 

I haven't started bashing anybody yet

[Darius]

Wow, that's actually very accurate. I've always kind of felt this but never saw it put into words that way before.

I didn't realize it until just now either. I think The 3/4 useful members of Team B have some of that uniqueness in them but it'll surely be suppressed by YG in favor of something more accessible and fangirl appealing.