Wysteria 983 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 IOI as a collective was extremely successful, so why have all the groups that have IOI members failed to find success post-IOI? DIA is doing the same as they were before IOI, and Gugudan has failed to break through the surface as well and aren't doing well sales wise. WJSN hasn't done well despite having added Yeonjung and being from starship, and they even promoted their most recent song for about 2 months due to it's lack of success. Despite the hype and promotion, Pristin's debut wasn't a success, they haven't gotten recognition from knetz and sales wise they did far below par as was expected. So why is this happening? Wouldn't the former IOI members bring success to their groups? Did knetz stop caring about them after the group disbanded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolalala 1,782 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 It's too early to decide if they have failed. But it's to be expected that they won't do as well as ioi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
田馥甄 3,796 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 because you guys have unrealistic expectations. most groups from non-big 3 companies don't hit it big right from debut. give them a few more comebacks before labelling them as unsuccessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,630 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 What makes you think they should automatically be popular just because 1 member used to be in a group that was popular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardWorkBeatTalent 1,096 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 WJSN is rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicophos 1,660 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 because you guys have unrealistic expectations. most groups from non-big 3 companies don't hit it big right from debut. give them a few more comebacks before labelling them as unsuccessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrot Cake 1,291 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 How can you say Pristin have "flopped" when they litterally debuted 2 days ago, had their debut stage aired on mnet and probably have better album sales then your fave when they debuted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon chan 4,645 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 because you guys have unrealistic expectations. most groups from non-big 3 companies don't hit it big right from debut. give them a few more comebacks before labelling them as unsuccessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrot Cake 1,291 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platty 4,891 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 they all barely debuted. They don't get super popular over a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faiw 425 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 because you guys have unrealistic expectations. most groups from non-big 3 companies don't hit it big right from debut. give them a few more comebacks before labelling them as unsuccessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybaekribs 735 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 um theyre doing alot better than they would have if those ioi members werent in their groups. im pretty sure half the people that pay attention to gugudan/cosmic girls/pristin/dia are only there for the ioi members. i wouldnt even know DIA or gugudan if it wasn't for chaeyeon and sejeong etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirurun 2,019 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 they're all from smaller labels so it's going to be harder for them to become successful right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diviner 99 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Too many unattractive members that overshadow the ioi members in their respective groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSJ89 4,261 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 um theyre doing alot better than they would have if those ioi members werent in their groups. im pretty sure half the people that pay attention to gugudan/cosmic girls/pristin/dia are only there for the ioi members. i wouldnt even know DIA or gugudan if it wasn't for chaeyeon and sejeong etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja_Potato 9,830 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Pristin debuted 2 days ago. OP are you ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shugwi 12,550 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 pristin already sold 10K copies in 2 days tho how's that flopping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moa_Nunu 3,109 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Despite the hype and promotion, Pristin's debut wasn't a success, they haven't gotten recognition from knetz and sales wise they did far below par as was expected. Wait... they sold more than 7,800 albums and it's like the 2nd day of their debut. What's par then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlodorz 13 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 OP you only stan BIG3 ? even BTS have a flop debut then hit it big like Crazy so we just wait what will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese2 3,241 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 i guess just because people like ioi it doesn't exactly mean they'll like the groups the ioi members debut in. take snsd for example, their a popular well known group but it seems like only taeyeon's solo songs have done well. also i don't get the whole "they come from small companies" thing, if they didn't appear and perform in pd101 or ioi (a popular show and project group) then i'd agree. besides i don't think people expected them to get like 30 roof hits in one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happykpopper 967 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 because you guys have unrealistic expectations. most groups from non-big 3 companies don't hit it big right from debut. give them a few more comebacks before labelling them as unsuccessful. even some group from big 3 don't hit it big right from debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiku 883 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Cuz it's not IOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnie._. 23,116 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 They're all doing well for new groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hess 3,578 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 IOI fandom was essentially split 8 different ways, so you can't expect any branched off groups to have as much support as IOI did. And all of the groups are doing relatively well for rookies from non big 3, and certainly they've all benefited from having an IOI member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canto 674 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 there are a couple of misconceptions you have about how Kpop works. 1) SNSD was a not top group when they launched. Gfriend was not popular when it launched. Miss A and 4minute were popular at launch but it didn't last. You don't know which groups will and will not end up successful until at least 2 years into debut to get an idea of how popular they will be. by 4 years you will know whether the group will be a "success." that's not just lip service. top groups like EXID or Girls Day couldn't have been called until year 4 2) 1 group being popular doesn't IN ANY WAY indicate that members of that group will be successful in another format just because the group was popular. Was Seohyun or Hyoyeon's debut "successful"? Was Minah's solo successful? IOI was popular because of its format, its variety show and its songs. A few groups, mainly from SM or YG had enough of a fanbase to guarantee that all its own releases will be successful no matter how crap because of fan support and underhanded payoffs but even when its individual members branch out... not enough of the fandom generally goes with it to ensure its success every time. It depends entire on that particular song and promotion. with IOI you're talking about a group that was popular and a fad. they had a fandom but not anything huge, it was being propped up by widespread public support. honestly there wasn't enough diehard IOI fans to ensure that even ONE group could be guaranteed success from IOI's fans (minus the casual public that supported IOI). how then if you split the support like 6 different ways can you GUARANTEE that ALL those additional groups would be successful? they can't. nor were any of the IOI girls established stars like Suzy or Taeyeon to drag enough fans to guarantee success. these are all ROOKIES just getting started. the public was charmed and intrigued by a couple but even in the subset of diehard fangirls none of these rookies had that kind of superstar drawing power... and the "success" of a girlgroup they anchor would have to reach waaay beyond pangirls but the general public. being in IOI gave every group a lift but it didn't guarantee anything. the question is WHY did you expect any groups that had IOI members to automatically be successful? that's a false and childlike assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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