My honest thoughts regarding the Produce 101 bullying and accusations

[â™›RahXephonâ™›]

I DON'T really give a shit about t he bullying/molesting at this point.

I'm not saying it's not wrong. At this point "innocent until proven guilty" does not even matter. The wrong thing about this whole incident is that these people never really thought about their slander/accusations thoroughly because this whole damn mess is starting to affect the program as a whole and the boys who have nothing to do with the incident and might be dragged along the impending negative image this will give on the show.

I get the they're mad but dude,,, at least think of the other people who worked hard for this opportunity and this might be their only chance for exposure. If you want to reveal your hatred that badly, then to it after the program ended you bunch of idiots...

edit: im referreing to the other boys who have nothing to do with this

I apologize for calling them idiots. I spoke out of character.

[got7legends]

idk tbh but who's the guy in ur dp? he's cute af

[la vie est belle]

Why dont they handle things before the people become famous

 

Why not handle it while its happening

[â™›RahXephonâ™›]

idk tbh but who's the guy in ur dp? he's cute af

The cutest baby ever, Nam Joo-hyuk :3

[Sour Patch]

Hopefully if the allegations are true MNET will kick the boys off the show before it begins. Like MNET should be clearing up all the rumors before the show airs because if MNET does nothing and this show air and the allegations are true 

 

 

huge shit show will happen 

[meh.]

Just passing by to say you failed in life.

We don't call it Produce 101 anymore.

Choose one of this :

- Broduce 101

- Reduce 101

- Scandal 101

[Sharekoube]

the fuk i typed a whole paragraph and it's all gone

 

basically.

 

this is good for the show in general because those boys exposed:

 

1. if they are already popular expose them now so we can stop stanning them

 

2. if they are not popular then this will prevent us from stanning them

 

consider us first pls, no one wants to stan problematic people and we are the national producers

 

if we end up stanning problematic ppl and then they get to top 11 then were exposed after, do you think we gonna pay for the future IOI?

 

which is most severe, use brains juseyo

 

[kdragonkwon]

 

 

the fuk i typed a whole paragraph and it's all gone

 

basically.

 

1. if they are already popular expose them now so we can stop stanning them

 

2. if they are not popular then this will prevent us from stanning them

 

consider us first pls, no one wants to stan problematic people and we are the national producers

 

if we end up stanning problematic ppl and then they get to top 11 then were exposed after, do you think we gonna pay for the future IOI?

 

which is most severe, use brains juseyo

 

[Mr. Potter]

Basically exposing them when they get famous is a better revenge tactic

[OUO]

I DON'T really give a shit about t he bullying/molesting at this point.

 

Wow what a shit of a human being, the person who told his story said it on his real facebook account, he got the courage to say all those things and talk about being molested in front of his family, his new friends and basically the whole world, he brought up old wounds and put himself on the spot just so he can reveal the truth, but oh poor you you're annoyed because this gets in the way of your entertainment, if you don't care about abuse survivors then for sure you don't give a damn about people " making their dreams come true". The ones working hard for exposure are glad they got to know what type of person he is so they can take precautions around him and I'm sure they're even happy because one competitor is no longer in the way. The good ones who truly deserve success will be happy to see these scandals coming out, they have nothing to worry about and this helps them stand out more.

[wheneveryoneishotandurnot]

i don't think it's fully fair to judge them on their past. Sure, what they did was unforgivable and they need to apologize, the victims deserve sympathy. But idk, i just don;t think it should influence their votes. What they did in the past was the past, what if they decided to turn over a new leaf or do a full 180? I've met a couple of jerks who changed into great people i think we should give them a chance, but still hold them accountable for their past crimes. From my experience, most bully;s have a reason for being problematic, usually from family issues and such, so it's really hard for me to be fully mad at them or blame them. But at the same time, i dont want to ignore what they did. We'll just have to wait and see and if they've changed, it's too early to judge now.

[â™›RahXephonâ™›]

Wow what a shit of a human being, the person who told his story said it on his real facebook account, he got the courage to say all those things and talk about being molested in front of his family, his new friends and basically the whole world, he brought up old wounds and put himself on the spot just so he can reveal the truth, but oh poor you you're annoyed because this gets in the way of your entertainment, if you don't care about abuse survivors then for sure you don't give a damn about people " making their dreams come true". The ones working hard for exposure are glad they got to know what type of person he is so they can take precautions around him and I'm sure they're even happy because one competitor is no longer in the way. The good ones who truly deserve success will be happy to see these scandals coming out, they have nothing to worry about and this helps them stand out more.

 

"what a shit of a human being" so you pretty much came to a conclusion that I'm this kind of "shit" human being because I felt that I don't care anymore about it? If you read that sentence "at this point" meaning that I had enough about the claims from the guy and other people because there are so many other counterclaim statement from the accused' friends. Mind you, but you probably haven't read these.

 

Was the evidence concrete? No. Why did I come to this conclusion? Because the guy being accused and any third party he is involved with, being his agency or Mnet HAS NOT MADE A STATEMENT about the situation. The accusations are baseless at this point.

 

Sure the guy did had the courage to say it in public and even exposing his personal information but does that credit his claims true? 

 

You're the type of person who believes straight away. That's right. That's what you are. Just like those fools who are so quick to believe in Netizens who slander celebrities. 

 

You have no right to insult me.

[OUO]

"what a shit of a human being" so you pretty much came to a conclusion that I'm this kind of "shit" human being because I felt that I don't care anymore about it? If you read that sentence "at this point" meaning that I had enough about the claims from the guy and other people because there are so many other counterclaim statement from the accused' friends. Mind you, but you probably haven't read these.

 

Was the evidence concrete? No. Why did I come to this conclusion? Because the guy being accused and any third party he is involved with, being his agency or Mnet HAS NOT MADE A STATEMENT about the situation. The accusations are baseless at this point.

 

Sure the guy did had the courage to say it in public and even exposing his personal information but does that credit his claims true? 

 

You're the type of person who believes straight away. That's right. That's what you are. Just like those fools who are so quick to believe in Netizens who slander celebrities. 

 

You have no right to insult me.

 

The guy who was accused of molestation had nobody backing him up everyone in the comments were friends and old classmates who confirmed that it happened, it's the other guy that we still don't know if he did bully or not. You talked on the basis that he didn't do it and I talked on the basis of what if he did it. I read all what you wrote very well, you said the people coming out with these stories are selfish for doing so, you didn't care or even entertain the fact that what they said may be true, you're being annoyed by them regardless.

The molester guy had this introduction video get retweeted x10 more than the other contestants that's how it reached the victim/accuser. If you were an abuse survivor, would you be happy seeing those who made your life hell be loved by everyone? Even if you chose to forget and forgive, would you like living in an everyday hell because the person who hurt you is popular and mentioned everywhere, you won't ever be able to get over the trauma. People are afraid to come out with their assault stories because of people like you who want concrete evidence when it's almost impossible in such situations, obviously the victim chose to stay silent and tried to forget but seeing their abuser becoming a celebrity was the straw that broke the camel's back. If You said your honest thoughts then you should accept people's honest feedback. My opinion remain unchanged, i'd rather be a fool than a shitty person.

[â™›RahXephonâ™›]

The guy who was accused of molestation had nobody backing him up everyone in the comments were friends and old classmates who confirmed that it happened, it's the other guy that we still don't know if he did bully or not. You talked on the basis that he didn't do it and I talked on the basis of what if he did it. I read all what you wrote very well, you said the people coming out with these stories are selfish for doing so, you didn't care or even entertain the fact that what they said may be true, you're being annoyed by them regardless.

The molester guy had this introduction video get retweeted x10 more than the other contestants that's how it reached the victim/accuser. If you were an abuse survivor, would you be happy seeing those who made your life hell be loved by everyone? Even if you chose to forget and forgive, would you like living in an everyday hell because the person who hurt you is popular and mentioned everywhere, you won't ever be able to get over the trauma. People are afraid to come out with their assault stories because of people like you who want concrete evidence when it's almost impossible in such situations, obviously the victim chose to stay silent and tried to forget but seeing their abuser becoming a celebrity was the straw that broke the camel's back. If You said your honest thoughts then you should accept people's honest feedback. My opinion remain unchanged, i'd rather be a fool than a shitty person.

 

I understand your point.

 

I never explicitly said that these people who are coming out with these stories are selfish. I merely expressed my feeling that they should have thought about the negative impact this would bring to the show which by the way is the main context of this topic. However, I do apologize for calling them idiots as I may not had sincerely thought about their circumstances.

 

I'll correct you that I've never said the bully didn't do it. I never emphasized that. You claimed that you talked about the "basis of what if he did it." but what you said on your first quote shows me that you support that claim, there was no "what if" there. My response to you was the correct "what if" because I never supported the person's claim which could either be true or false. I did not judge right away. I am waiting for a response before I make my decision. What is wrong with being this kind of person? Why must we be the kind of "shit" just because we follow a logical action rather than an emotional justification? I know it's an almost impossible situation to procure a concrete evidence but because of that simple belief, you pretty much neglected that the other party could be innocent.

 

I'm not particularly good in psychology. I do not understand the feeling of an abuse survivor because I have never been in this kind of disposition. I would however be able to imagine what kind of trauma it would give them. Regardless of this, I would still believe that I should not be the kind of guy who will burn my enemy the moment I see them in limelight. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be a person who affected other people because of my rage from my trauma. Revenge is not wrong but revenge should only affect those who deserve it, if you think that other people does not matter as long as you can achieve revenge then you are pretty much still forever trapped in your trauma.

 

You didn't probably didn't take into consideration about my main concerns about this situation and that is for the participants who eagerly anticipated this moment. This whole mess is affecting that show that hasn't even started yet. Some people here claim that this is a good thing because they would already stop stanning/never stan him. You think people people will be much more interested in this show because of the drama and not shun it instead? What if the controversies keeps going on as the show progresses and it affects new viewers? -these are my concerns.

 

Like someone had mentioned on top of this thread, I should consider their feeling that they wouldn't want to stan a problematic participant. See how this whole thing had already made it disadvantageous for the potentially innocent person and now he is probably suffering as an outcast and being treated badly by his fellow competitors. IF he is not innocent they that's just what he deserves. BUT for now, I won't pick a side like you do.

[Secre]

The guy who was accused of molestation had nobody backing him up everyone in the comments were friends and old classmates who confirmed that it happened, it's the other guy that we still don't know if he did bully or not. You talked on the basis that he didn't do it and I talked on the basis of what if he did it. I read all what you wrote very well, you said the people coming out with these stories are selfish for doing so, you didn't care or even entertain the fact that what they said may be true, you're being annoyed by them regardless.

The molester guy had this introduction video get retweeted x10 more than the other contestants that's how it reached the victim/accuser. If you were an abuse survivor, would you be happy seeing those who made your life hell be loved by everyone? Even if you chose to forget and forgive, would you like living in an everyday hell because the person who hurt you is popular and mentioned everywhere, you won't ever be able to get over the trauma. People are afraid to come out with their assault stories because of people like you who want concrete evidence when it's almost impossible in such situations, obviously the victim chose to stay silent and tried to forget but seeing their abuser becoming a celebrity was the straw that broke the camel's back. If You said your honest thoughts then you should accept people's honest feedback. My opinion remain unchanged, i'd rather be a fool than a shitty person.

Honestly I agreed with everything you said except for this, because if there's no concrete evidence you're going to believe them off of air just because? 

[OUO]

 

You didn't probably didn't take into consideration about my main concerns about this situation and that is for the participants who eagerly anticipated this moment. This whole mess is affecting that show that hasn't even started yet. Some people here claim that this is a good thing because they would already stop stanning/never stan him. You think people people will be much more interested in this show because of the drama and not shun it instead? What if the controversies keeps going on as the show progresses and it affects new viewers? -these are my concerns.

 

I replied to the main concern with my first comment, I said: "the ones working hard for exposure are glad they got to know what type of person he is so they can take precautions around him and I'm sure they're even happy because one competitor is no longer in the way. The good ones who truly deserve success will be happy to see these scandals coming out, they have nothing to worry about and this helps them stand out more." This is how I see it. I don't think these scandals will hurt anyone but the people in question. Season 1 wasn't popular with the entire public but with the fanboys and Kpop fangirls, this season will find in its own niche too: Moon Bok, Nu'Est, the kids that got popular with gifs, there are way too many factors to help this season be more popular, if there's anyone to blame, it's the shitty people who decided to join, if you have scandals, why would you join a show where you'll get exposed and ruin it for everyone? Here I rest my case.

 

 

Honestly I agreed with everything you said except for this, because if there's no concrete evidence you're going to believe them off of air just because? 

Rape is hard to prove and cases of molestation are even worse since the touching may have happened only superficialy. If we are taking someone to the court and asking for them to be jailed then of course there should be evidence and we can leave that to the professional prosecutors but i'm talking about situations like this when someone want to come forward and share what they went through with people around them but they feel like they can't because they will be judged, this person didn't sue the contestant, he just wanted to share the truth but there's a big chance he wouldn't have considering how people act towards those who suffered from abuse. I was imagining  more of a friend opening up to a friend situation.

[jrieworld]

Its like saying..

Imagine your Boss "Dont speak up about the sexual harassment you are suffering in the company! It happened in the past right? You will affect the company and the staff as a whole! Are you that selfish?!!"

[Ninja_Potato]

Its like saying..

Imagine your Boss "Dont speak up about the sexual harassment you are suffering in the company! It happened in the past right? You will affect the company and the staff as a whole! Are you that selfish?!!"

 

STAN JR and NUEST 

 

This thread is a mess. I'll promote my favs here

[TogeShit]

I don't care about the shitty scandal . . people need to move on , he's so young in that time all of us do stupid things when were young .

Humans are not saints their vulnerable of all bad things  . . There is no tomorrow in the past , FOCUS IN THE FUTURE we don't have the rights to shattered the kid dreams ... people grows , people learned it's too much to kick him in the show . all he need to do is apologize if it's true everyone deserves forgiveness were not a highly PERSON .... then let's see if the people would still love him  . .
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It's very common problem to us humans to judge immediately without listening the both sides . . yes it's bad but what he do in the past is definitely not a definition to his whole self . ..  .   
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(P.S I hate writing such this things cause it's a serious matter , it's far from what I'm portraying here in OH as bitch troll) 

[jrieworld]

STAN JR and NUEST 

This thread is a mess. I'll promote my favs here 

Team JR! Team Nu'est! 

 

It's hard to pity someone when the crime is serious. Sure, forgive and forget.. but you can't blame the victim to be unable to do that and to act the way he does. But then again, it depends on perspectives. I'll just say that its.. KARMA DOING ITS JUST!

[â™›RahXephonâ™›]

I replied to the main concern with my first comment, I said: "the ones working hard for exposure are glad they got to know what type of person he is so they can take precautions around him and I'm sure they're even happy because one competitor is no longer in the way. The good ones who truly deserve success will be happy to see these scandals coming out, they have nothing to worry about and this helps them stand out more." This is how I see it. I don't think these scandals will hurt anyone but the people in question. Season 1 wasn't popular with the entire public but with the fanboys and Kpop fangirls, this season will find in its own niche too: Moon Bok, Nu'Est, the kids that got popular with gifs, there are way too many factors to help this season be more popular, if there's anyone to blame, it's the shitty people who decided to join, if you have scandals, why would you join a show where you'll get exposed and ruin it for everyone? Here I rest my case.

 

I agree that these people with scandals shouldn't have joined in the first place and ruin it for the others but so what? The possibility of someone innocent joining, only to have a hater, an enemy, bash him with a made up scandal is not nonexistence you know... 

 

I may have sounded like I'm defending him, but I'm not. 

 

If you feel that it's alright for someone to suffer hardship throughout the show when they aren't even proven guilty and you've not even heard of their statement then that's fine. That's  what you choose to believe in. You only see the side of the victim and nothing else. I on the other hand see both sides and choose to keep my decision until I've heard anything from the other party, only then will I doubt, believe or maintain my current stance.