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Oh, I think the reason why the 4S is included in his FS is because it racks up points. A butt landed fully rotated 4S has the same points as with a landed 3Lu (deductions included) :lol:

yeah but BOrser wanted him to do 2 4T's and with that he'll get more points cuz the chances of falling on them are so low plus he'll get +GOE,but Yuzu insisted on keeping the 4S,I just hope that now that the Olympic pressure is off he can be more relaxed and finally land it

it must be so frustrating to fall on it almost every single time in competitions and land it in other occasions

Mao's 3A is almost always underrotated that's why she falls but Yuzu doesn't have this problem,I can't remember when was the last time he >> anything in fact he tends to overrotate some of his jumps

 

yeah I think he'll have better luck with other quads,but he's an ambitious guy so I think he truly wants to be the first man to land 4A.Plus he didn't say he'll be doing it right now,just in the future.I trust BO can manage him well and wouldn't let him do something that his body couldn't take.Yuzu himself is aware of his own limitations

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yeah but BOrser wanted him to do 2 4T's and with that he'll get more points cuz the chances of falling on them are so low plus he'll get +GOE,but Yuzu insisted on keeping the 4S,I just hope that now that the Olympic pressure is off he can be more relaxed and finally land it

it must be so frustrating to fall on it almost every single time in competitions and land it in other occasions

Mao's 3A is almost always underrotated that's why she falls but Yuzu doesn't have this problem,I can't remember when was the last time he >> anything in fact he tends to overrotate some of his jumps

 

yeah I think he'll have better luck with other quads,but he's an ambitious guy so I think he truly wants to be the first man to land 4A.Plus he didn't say he'll be doing it right now,just in the future.I trust BO can manage him well and wouldn't let him do something that his body couldn't take.Yuzu himself is aware of his own limitations

that and I think he knows that even if he falls on his 4S but goes clean on everything else, he'll be fine (point wise). He's stubborn that's for sure. I actually think this imperfect FS is a blessing in disguise. Since Yuzu doesn't feel that he earned the gold medal yet with that skate, he'll be motivated ti do better in the upcoming world championship, the following seasons and in the next olympics :happy:
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Hello, first time posting on this thread:)

Has Yuzuru, being under Brian Orser improved or regressed?

 

Obviously his results in competitions are higher but when I was looking him up, I ended up on a skating forum called golden skate that talked about this. And 1 or 2 people said his artistry has regressed, and nothing else improved.The only benefit is he gets a boost in his score because Brian Orser is his coach (connection/reputation and etc) One person went through the details, talking about his posture, how he goes into/out of jumps or spins, his stamina, skating and etc. They also said he used to be more consistent in his jumps last season and how he could have learned the quads without Brian Orser's help.

 

Also, someone talked about how his reputation has gone down because his scores are inflated.

 

I can't judge for myself because the only thing I can tell is whether a jump/spin is beautifully done or not.   

I wanted to get different opinions and posting on that forum would require me to sign up.

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Hello, first time posting on this thread:)

Has Yuzuru, being under Brian Orser improved or regressed?

 

Obviously his results in competitions are higher but when I was looking him up, I ended up on a skating forum called golden skate that talked about this. And 1 or 2 people said his artistry has regressed, and nothing else improved.The only benefit is he gets a boost in his score because Brian Orser is his coach (connection/reputation and etc) One person went through the details, talking about his posture, how he goes into/out of jumps or spins, his stamina, skating and etc. They also said he used to be more consistent in his jumps last season and how he could have learned the quads without Brian Orser's help.

 

Also, someone talked about how his reputation has gone down because his scores are inflated.

 

I can't judge for myself because the only thing I can tell is whether a jump/spin is beautifully done or not.   

I wanted to get different opinions and posting on that forum would require me to sign up.

Yuzuru have poor posture and lines. Always have been and it's not because of Orser. And his artistry is nothing when compared to the likes of Daisuke Takahashi.

 

I'm also a member in that forum since late 2012 but never post, just lurk :lol: I think there are some people there who are very pessimistic with the coaching change since 2012. Although I have to agree that his 2012-2013 & 2013-2014 FS pale in comparison with his 2011-2012 Romeo and Juliet FS. I think the person who answered you loved the passionate way Yuzu skated before than how Yuzu skates now (I do too). I'm also under the impression that he is more in control with his stamina issue (an issue he always had because of asthma) by improving his skating skills little by little, which Orser pointed out every since Yuzu began training under him.

 

All I'm saying is, the coaching change have both positive and negative effects. Yuzuru's young, he has so much more to prove (and he is still not a world champion yet).

 

And yes, his scores will astronomically inflate now. There will be a "Hanyuflatiion" now in addition to "Chanflation". :lol: But what do we expect? He's the reigning olympic champion (just go look at Yuna too, and her inflations). Yuzu's a great jumper (no one can deny that), so his TES will probably be deserved. It is his PCS that will be inflated as hell. I think Yuzu can lessen the blacklash of the inflation if he becomes consistent and almost always skate clean (like Yuna), but it's going to be hard with how demanding the males division is now technically (everyone's forced to do more quads and quads to win, with the new point system -_-).

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Yuzuru have poor posture and lines. Always have been and it's not because of Orser. And his artistry is nothing when compared to the likes of Daisuke Takahashi.

 

I'm also a member in that forum since late 2012 but never post, just lurk :lol: I think there are some people there who are very pessimistic with the coaching change since 2012. Although I have to agree that his 2012-2013 & 2013-2014 FS pale in comparison with his 2011-2012 Romeo and Juliet FS. I think the person who answered you loved the passionate way Yuzu skated before than how Yuzu skates now (I do too). I'm also under the impression that he is more in control with his stamina issue (an issue he always had because of asthma) by improving his skating skills little by little, which Orser pointed out every since Yuzu began training under him.

 

All I'm saying is, the coaching change have both positive and negative effects. Yuzuru's young, he has so much more to prove (and he is still not a world champion yet).

 

And yes, his scores will astronomically inflate now. There will be a "Hanyuflatiion" now in addition to "Chanflation". :lol: But what do we expect? He's the reigning olympic champion (just go look at Yuna too, and her inflations). Yuzu's a great jumper (no one can deny that), so his TES will probably be deserved. It is his PCS that will be inflated as hell. I think Yuzu can lessen the blacklash of the inflation if he becomes consistent and almost always skate clean (like Yuna), but it's going to be hard with how demanding the males division is now technically (everyone's forced to do more quads and quads to win, with the new point system -_-).

ah, thank you:D

I guess the inflation of scores aren't something out of ordinary and to make a big fuss about.

Perhaps the reason why he was more passionate in 2011 - 2012 because it was the year of the earthquake in japan? That could have been the case considering how he lost a place to practice , and he talks about it all the time. 

 

I really like his jumps. I'm not sure if it's because of his physique or the way he jumps, but when he does, his axis of rotation seems fixed in place, and looks pretty even in the slow motion videos. His jumps are like the female skaters', except he spins more and does it with more ease. 

 

I just hope he continues to improve because I'd hate to watch people regress, especially at a young age, whoever it is.

 

I watched Takahashi's peformances and I definitely understood what people/media said about his skating. Plus the performance I watched was really dramatic, with him laying on the floor and everything.

 

Do you pay attention to any other Japanese skaters? (or just other skaters in general)

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ah, thank you:D

I guess the inflation of scores aren't something out of ordinary and to make a big fuss about.

Perhaps the reason why he was more passionate in 2011 - 2012 because it was the year of the earthquake in japan? That could have been the case considering how he lost a place to practice , and he talks about it all the time. 

 

I really like his jumps. I'm not sure if it's because of his physique or the way he jumps, but when he does, his axis of rotation seems fixed in place, and looks pretty even in the slow motion videos. His jumps are like the female skaters', except he spins more and does it with more ease. 

 

I just hope he continues to improve because I'd hate to watch people regress, especially at a young age, whoever it is.

 

I watched Takahashi's peformances and I definitely understood what people/media said about his skating. Plus the performance I watched was really dramatic, with him laying on the floor and everything.

 

Do you pay attention to any other Japanese skaters? (or just other skaters in general)

the inflation will be a source of fustration by many :lol: :lol: :lol: I find Yuzu's PCS in Sochi for his FS, inflated (the same with Chan). But I didn't care cause I wanted Yuzu to win so badly :hurr: The inflation already started, the ISU won't go back down now lol.

 

And yes, he have beautiful jumps. He's the best jumper right now. Now if only he can consistently land it on competitions, that would be great :happy:

 

Takahashi's one of my faves. I liked him since 2008 when I watched his HipHop/Techno Swan Lake program (prolly one of his most famous SP)

 

He's prolly the reason why I never became a fan of Patrick Chan (they were somewhat rivals back then) :lol:

 

I've been a fan of figure skating since the 90's to early 2000's because I was into competitive figure skating too (I stopped when I got into college). My childhood faves would be Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen but I've been Team Japan since the rise of Mao and Takahashi.

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Hello, first time posting on this thread:)

Has Yuzuru, being under Brian Orser improved or regressed?

 

Obviously his results in competitions are higher but when I was looking him up, I ended up on a skating forum called golden skate that talked about this. And 1 or 2 people said his artistry has regressed, and nothing else improved.The only benefit is he gets a boost in his score because Brian Orser is his coach (connection/reputation and etc) One person went through the details, talking about his posture, how he goes into/out of jumps or spins, his stamina, skating and etc. They also said he used to be more consistent in his jumps last season and how he could have learned the quads without Brian Orser's help.

 

Also, someone talked about how his reputation has gone down because his scores are inflated.

 

I can't judge for myself because the only thing I can tell is whether a jump/spin is beautifully done or not.   

I wanted to get different opinions and posting on that forum would require me to sign up.

personally I think it was a good thing for him,talent alone isn't enough to be on top

 everyone loves his R&J 2011 version,myself included, but Naname Abe wasn't the one who has all the credits for that program,he trained for a few weeks in Russia and the russians choreographers are the ones that made it the improved final program.Now I'm not trying to diss her, I love what she did with him,the relationship between them and there's no doubt that he wouldn't be where he is now without her.In 2012 the japanese media reported that they wanted Yuzu to train in Russia but no one wanted to coach him cuz they saw him as a threath in Sochi ,so they decided to send him to BOrser

 

the best thing that Brian did was to improve his stamina,before at the end of the FS he looked like he needed an oxygen tank,sometimes his lips would even chance color because oh the lack of O2,it was quite scary and back then the program layout was easier than what he's doing now

he also taught him how to get up immediately when he falls it used to take him ages to do that, disrupting the program

his skating skills improved a lot,it's easier to see when he does the same programs as in the past such as the gala performance

His speed is a lot better, well except in the last minute of the  LP,but I guess his condition doesn't allow him to do better than that yet

 

I warmed up a lot to his new R&J program unlike NDdP  and that has to be the mot COP-friendly program I've seen,everything he does gains points,even his fall XD so in the end it's not a bad program at all

 

his posture  was always bad and that's nothing that anyone can do about it now

his spins regressed that's true,but it has more to do with him growing up,he had the best spins as a junior,last season's ones were really messy cus he had another grow sprout.this season it was a bit better

while he's not Dai,hes not  bad himself,he's just a different type of artist he looses himself in the program sometimes I even find his flappy arms cute

consistency and Yuzu in the same sentence sounds weird,I don't think he had a clean competition in his life regardless his coach,when he messes up the short he does great in the long(and I mean only one mistake,not completely perfect) and the other way around.The closest he's got to be consistent is in GPF and Nationals when he only had one fall in the LP and a perfect SP.But who knows,maybe in the future he'll become consistent or at least I hope so

 

the overscoring for him&Chan in Sochi during the LP was ridiculous,and they didn't even need that,they would have placed the same without it

the inflated scores are somewhat normal for certain skaters/federations/coaches even though is not fair but your reputation only goes down if you win certain medals just because of them a la Chan,thankfully it didn't happen to Yuzu yet and I hope it never will

TES score is always fair,that's way they add more on the PCS.It started during GPF ,his component scores were indeed a inflated,I think the judges wanted to send a message to Chan 'skate clean or we're not on your side anymore' but Chan didn't get the memo.Plus it was in Japan so some extra 2-3 points.I would have given him between 86-88 with a fall

Now the worlds are in Japan again so it will be interesting to see how they score him,but the truth is that he and Chan are now in a class of their own so overscoring for them will be the normal thing from now on

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Entry List for the World Championship

 

Men's:

http://dev.figureskating.sportresult.com/Schedule/EntryList/2014/0/51515/MEN/TO

 

Hanyu Yuzuru ----- world standing -> No. 1 :ahmagah:

 

 

 

I'm kinda sad Chan won't be participating. I feel sorry for the dude. The pressure he was under during Sochi was a little different from others. The canadian curse, the reigning world champion, the no. 1 skater (before Yuzu snatched his weave). Poor guy. He must have been so disappointed. Hope he bounces back.

 

 

For the ladies:

http://dev.figureskating.sportresult.com/Schedule/EntryList/2014/0/51515/MEN/TO

 

 

Yo! Adelina's going in! I like her to win but I also like Mao to win :cry: :cry:

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personally I think it was a good thing for him,talent alone isn't enough to be on top

 everyone loves his R&J 2011 version,myself included, but Naname Abe wasn't the one who has all the credits for that program,he trained for a few weeks in Russia and the russians choreographers are the ones that made it the improved final program.Now I'm not trying to diss her, I love what she did with him,the relationship between them and there's no doubt that he wouldn't be where he is now without her.In 2012 the japanese media reported that they wanted Yuzu to train in Russia but no one wanted to coach him cuz they saw him as a threath in Sochi ,so they decided to send him to BOrser

 

the best thing that Brian did was to improve his stamina,before at the end of the FS he looked like he needed an oxygen tank,sometimes his lips would even chance color because oh the lack of O2,it was quite scary and back then the program layout was easier than what he's doing now

he also taught him how to get up immediately when he falls it used to take him ages to do that, disrupting the program

his skating skills improved a lot,it's easier to see when he does the same programs as in the past such as the gala performance

His speed is a lot better, well except in the last minute of the  LP,but I guess his condition doesn't allow him to do better than that yet

 

I warmed up a lot to his new R&J program unlike NDdP  and that has to be the mot COP-friendly program I've seen,everything he does gains points,even his fall XD so in the end it's not a bad program at all

 

his posture  was always bad and that's nothing that anyone can do about it now

his spins regressed that's true,but it has more to do with him growing up,he had the best spins as a junior,last season's ones were really messy cus he had another grow sprout.this season it was a bit better

while he's not Dai,hes not  bad himself,he's just a different type of artist he looses himself in the program sometimes I even find his flappy arms cute

consistency and Yuzu in the same sentence sounds weird,I don't think he had a clean competition in his life regardless his coach,when he messes up the short he does great in the long(and I mean only one mistake,not completely perfect) and the other way around.The closest he's got to be consistent is in GPF and Nationals when he only had one fall in the LP and a perfect SP.But who knows,maybe in the future he'll become consistent or at least I hope so

 

the overscoring for him&Chan in Sochi during the LP was ridiculous,and they didn't even need that,they would have placed the same without it

the inflated scores are somewhat normal for certain skaters/federations/coaches even though is not fair but your reputation only goes down if you win certain medals just because of them a la Chan,thankfully it didn't happen to Yuzu yet and I hope it never will

TES score is always fair,that's way they add more on the PCS.It started during GPF ,his component scores were indeed a inflated,I think the judges wanted to send a message to Chan 'skate clean or we're not on your side anymore' but Chan didn't get the memo.Plus it was in Japan so some extra 2-3 points.I would have given him between 86-88 with a fall

Now the worlds are in Japan again so it will be interesting to see how they score him,but the truth is that he and Chan are now in a class of their own so overscoring for them will be the normal thing from now on

I can't help nodding while reading your post. Some fans are so pessimistic with the coach change, I actually intially though it was a great move before I read some fans opinions on it. It takes more than talent to reach the top. Connections and meeting the right people also takes one to the top.

 

I agree with everything you said.

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I can't help nodding while reading your post. Some fans are so pessimistic with the coach change, I actually intially though it was a great move before I read some fans opinions on it. It takes more than talent to reach the top. Connections and meeting the right people also takes one to the top.

 

I agree with everything you said.

I'm a member of goldenskate/fsuniverse so when the switch was announced almost everyone acted like it was the end of the world for him&that his talent would be wasted.I didn't get that,they didn't even wait to see how it will turn out they just went on saying it was a bad move from the start so I guess they can't really see all the good things that moving to  BOrser did for him

he was a child prodigy landing 3A since 13 and quads at 15,he has talent to spare but that isn't  enough.He wanted that  gold medal so his federation/him did what they thought it was necessary to obtain it,that's nothing wrong with it.

He already said he wants the next OGM

 

his LP isn't the most  inspirational but it's the most difficult he could possibly do right now in his condition I don't think his asthma will ever allow him to do an upbeat program  and probably  the most difficult program in the world but I guess some fans are never happy they want it all artistry,jumps,spins,choreo,transitions,SS etc. and I just don't think it's possible.You can try to do that in the short,but in the long it's another story

Each top skater is known for being the best at some part Chan-SS,Dai-artistry,Lambiel-spins ,Yuzu-jumps but that doesn't mean he's bad at the others it's just that he doesn't excel at them and plus he's already better at them than the majority of the other skaters.I feel like everybody is expecting too much from him while forgetting that he is only 19,and for men's skating world that's extremely young.He already accomplished so much and he still didn't reach his full potential

 

I wish him good luck at World,now that Chan is out it doesn't look like he has much competition,I just hope he'll be able to control his nerves and that the media will leave him alone and not put unecessary pressure on him

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the inflation will be a source of fustration by many :lol: :lol: :lol: I find Yuzu's PCS in Sochi for his FS, inflated (the same with Chan). But I didn't care cause I wanted Yuzu to win so badly :hurr: The inflation already started, the ISU won't go back down now lol.

 

And yes, he have beautiful jumps. He's the best jumper right now. Now if only he can consistently land it on competitions, that would be great :happy:

 

Takahashi's one of my faves. I liked him since 2008 when I watched his HipHop/Techno Swan Lake program (prolly one of his most famous SP)

 

He's prolly the reason why I never became a fan of Patrick Chan (they were somewhat rivals back then) :lol:

 

I've been a fan of figure skating since the 90's to early 2000's because I was into competitive figure skating too (I stopped when I got into college). My childhood faves would be Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen but I've been Team Japan since the rise of Mao and Takahashi.

Although it was a short program the choreography seemed pretty intense and he didn't seem tired at all. I generally programs that have moves in between the jumps so its doesn't get boring in between. So I end up skipping through some performance until I see a jump or a spin.

Do you know that skater Machida? he was in the Olympics, and was 5th placed I think. How is he in comparison to other skaters? 

And I didn't know male Japanese figure skaters placed that high (and that many of them). I've only watched the females until recently.

 

You skated? :stare: wow.

 

personally I think it was a good thing for him,talent alone isn't enough to be on top

 everyone loves his R&J 2011 version,myself included, but Naname Abe wasn't the one who has all the credits for that program,he trained for a few weeks in Russia and the russians choreographers are the ones that made it the improved final program.Now I'm not trying to diss her, I love what she did with him,the relationship between them and there's no doubt that he wouldn't be where he is now without her.In 2012 the japanese media reported that they wanted Yuzu to train in Russia but no one wanted to coach him cuz they saw him as a threath in Sochi ,so they decided to send him to BOrser

 

the best thing that Brian did was to improve his stamina,before at the end of the FS he looked like he needed an oxygen tank,sometimes his lips would even chance color because oh the lack of O2,it was quite scary and back then the program layout was easier than what he's doing now

he also taught him how to get up immediately when he falls it used to take him ages to do that, disrupting the program

his skating skills improved a lot,it's easier to see when he does the same programs as in the past such as the gala performance

His speed is a lot better, well except in the last minute of the  LP,but I guess his condition doesn't allow him to do better than that yet

 

I warmed up a lot to his new R&J program unlike NDdP  and that has to be the mot COP-friendly program I've seen,everything he does gains points,even his fall XD so in the end it's not a bad program at all

 

his posture  was always bad and that's nothing that anyone can do about it now

his spins regressed that's true,but it has more to do with him growing up,he had the best spins as a junior,last season's ones were really messy cus he had another grow sprout.this season it was a bit better

while he's not Dai,hes not  bad himself,he's just a different type of artist he looses himself in the program sometimes I even find his flappy arms cute

consistency and Yuzu in the same sentence sounds weird,I don't think he had a clean competition in his life regardless his coach,when he messes up the short he does great in the long(and I mean only one mistake,not completely perfect) and the other way around.The closest he's got to be consistent is in GPF and Nationals when he only had one fall in the LP and a perfect SP.But who knows,maybe in the future he'll become consistent or at least I hope so

 

the overscoring for him&Chan in Sochi during the LP was ridiculous,and they didn't even need that,they would have placed the same without it

the inflated scores are somewhat normal for certain skaters/federations/coaches even though is not fair but your reputation only goes down if you win certain medals just because of them a la Chan,thankfully it didn't happen to Yuzu yet and I hope it never will

TES score is always fair,that's way they add more on the PCS.It started during GPF ,his component scores were indeed a inflated,I think the judges wanted to send a message to Chan 'skate clean or we're not on your side anymore' but Chan didn't get the memo.Plus it was in Japan so some extra 2-3 points.I would have given him between 86-88 with a fall

Now the worlds are in Japan again so it will be interesting to see how they score him,but the truth is that he and Chan are now in a class of their own so overscoring for them will be the normal thing from now on

In a way I think whether it be through luck or through connections, some people are just meant to be on top or just be recognized/appreciated for their talent while others aren't. Like people could say "If it weren't for ____, then s/he could have...", but those people just weren't meant for it. Or at least I try to think that way. But I feel bad for saying that because Mao never got a gold despite being a great skater but she's at least recognized for her talent, both in Japan and internationally.

 

and didn't know that. But he still won in the end though.

 

His spins...well, I don't particularly like them. and too bad his asthma prevents hims doing upbeat songs because I like dramatic/upbeat performances in general.

 

I wish him good luck at World,now that Chan is out it doesn't look like he has much competition,I just hope he'll be able to control his nerves and that the media will leave him alone and not put unecessary pressure on him

:._.: that sucks...It's always important to have someone to compete with.

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Although it was a short program the choreography seemed pretty intense and he didn't seem tired at all. I generally programs that have moves in between the jumps so its doesn't get boring in between. So I end up skipping through some performance until I see a jump or a spin.

Do you know that skater Machida? he was in the Olympics, and was 5th placed I think. How is he in comparison to other skaters?

And I didn't know male Japanese figure skaters placed that high (and that many of them). I've only watched the females until recently.

 

You skated? :stare: wow..

I like Machida's style. He's also the one with the highest probability of consistency this season, among top male Japanese skaters :lol: (Daisuke had an injury you see :( )

 

 

Bad news, Daisuke pulled out of the worlds because of his injury :horror: Kozu will replace him (I'm so happy for Kozu)

 

 

 

 

Not gonna lie, the men's division seems like a coronation for Yuzu, with Chan and Takahashi out (if he skate decently enough. But we all know how somewhat unlucky Yuzu is at Worlds ) :lol:

 

It will be exciting to see who among Javier, Machida, Dennis and possibly Han Yan will end up beside Yuzu at the podium.

 

The women's division looks fierce. All top skaters will compete (minus Yuna ofc).

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Dis guy...

He's just destroying my feels.

 

I hadn't even been following the Olympics at all.

But then one night, there was nothing interesting on, so I watched it for a bit.

And it just so happened that men's figure skating was on.

So I saw a few performances of that, including Yuzuru's.

And ever since, I've just been so obsessed with this guy.

How did this even happen!? :horror:

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his 11-12 Romeo and Juliet FS truly is epic. So much feels while listening to it :cry:

I feel the same way  :cry:. I can´t count how many times I have watched that performance (sometimes it feels like I´m wasting my life :lol:). 

 

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I have a question. Some people on golden skate say that he is a bad spinner. Now let me tell you that I have 0 knowledge about the technical stuff (I´m just a casual fan of FS) but I always thought that his spins are beautiful. Could someone pls explain this to me?  

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