[NB] Agencies holding rights to names only happens in K-Pop?

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Agencies holding rights to names only happens in K-Pop?

 

 

Article: The shadows of K-Pop, not being able to call B2ST 'B2ST'

Source: Korea Ilbo via Nate

Article talks about how in Korea, agencies hold all the rights to group names, which is unheard of in the American or UK music markets.

1. [+1,092, -17] Honestly, Cube has no right whatsoever to even say a word right now..

2. [+921, -68] B2ST and TVXQ are in different boats though, no? JYJ filed a lawsuit and left so of course they shouldn't be allowed to use the TVXQ name ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹

3. [+828, -16] Just rename themselves to OGB2ST ã…‹ã…‹

4. [+51, -4] It's a different situation with TVXQ. With TVXQ, all of the members didn't leave, two wanted to stay so of course the ones that left should have to use different names. Jang Hyunseung obviously stayed behind but he was pretty much already out of the group before B2ST decided to leave anyway. Don't lump them in the same boat as TVXQ because it's not fair.

5. [+48, -2] I don't support B2ST anymore, I support Highlight

6. [+45, -0] What I'm happy about is that B2ST did all of the composing for their songs so B2ST won't be able to sing any of B2ST's older songs without permission ã…Žã…Žã…Žã…Žã…Ž their agency's an idiot

7. [+29, -0] It's tough to compare our music market to UK or America. They operate under labels that are different from our music agencies who do everything from creating the overall 'concept' of an idol, piecing together the members, etc. In America, a label acts only as a support system for amateur talents and helping them schedule events and activities for commission.

8. [+26, -3] So is Highlight eligible for a rookie award if they start promoting now?

9. [+23, -0] With how much power fandoms hold in the industry, I have to wonder why Cube chose the route that would taint their image. Just look at Kwang Soo, you can see how important a CEO's image is. His negative image causes the rest of his artists to be seen in a negative light with him. With all of the expenses that go into producing an album, why would Cube choose to keep the name B2ST and spend all those expenses only to debut that album to a bunch of antis? Cube used to have the image of a successful mid-tier company working its way up but now they look as weird as Kwang Soo's agency. Whatever they end up doing with the B2ST name, the group is just going to end up as the male T-ara ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹

10. [+12, -0] I heard that it's illegal for Highlight to change their name to anything similar to B2ST like B2STIE, B2STAE, etc. All of this is probably the most heart breaking for the original members anyway.

11. [+11, -0] No need to even look towards foreign markets for examples. B2ST's case is already such a rarity in K-Pop... Cube is just in the wrong no matter what.

12. [+6, -1] It's hard to take either side. Imagine the company Orion.. they produced 'Chocopies' for 40 years, coming up with the idea, marketing, and production of it. If the person that was in charge of that quits and decides to start a new company and sell the exact same name, is that fair at all? That's what rights boils down to... Cube probably thinks the name B2ST is something they produced while the members think the name B2ST was more influenced by themselves... It's a tricky situation because both the members and the agency built themselves up together. None of this would've happened if they learned to share...

 

[Akhuun]

Highlight is a great name anyway, better than 90% of k-pop group names.

[ELEOS]

tbh Western companies don't produce artists the way Korean companies do. So I can see why they have a right to the name. I just don't see the purpose in reusing it. You may as well debut a new group under a new identity. They are just asking for the new B2ST to flop.

[Aquamaraqua]

"6. [+45, -0] What I'm happy about is that B2ST did all of the composing for their songs so B2ST won't be able to sing any of B2ST's older songs without permission ã…Žã…Žã…Žã…Žã…Ž their agency's an idiot"

 

Had to re-read this twice XD

[SAUCY]

"Warner Bros took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music I wrote," Prince once said in a press release. "The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros."



So no. Not just K-pop.

[Ddeona Oneul Bame]

3. [+828, -16] Just rename themselves to OGB2ST ã…‹ã…‹

[Soko]

 

 

They operate under labels that are different from our music agencies who do everything from creating the overall 'concept' of an idol, piecing together the members, etc. In America, a label acts only as a support system for amateur talents and helping them schedule events and activities for commission.

 

 

it depends, american labels can also " create" a personnality and concept for a singer in order to make them more appealing to the public 

mostly for the pop genre

[V.M.]

The UK girl group Sugababes kept the name whilst replacing members. The group ended up with none of the original girls.

[Mees Madds]

That cannot be right.

[Mischo]

"Warner Bros took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music I wrote," Prince once said in a press release. "The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros."

So no. Not just K-pop.

I read it about it some time ago. The worst was when Prince was trying to break free from his record label and released like 5 album in 3-4 years just to fullfill his contract deals and gtfo out of the company

[indigo]

In the US/UK band members name the group themselves, which is why they hold the rights.

[wiaraewiwiarae]

Nope, I'm pretty sure it's the same everywhere.

 

Also WTH is the mess with TVXQ? - They're an active group, why would they give up their name because some members left. Look at Shinhwa instead - somehow the rights to their name ended up with Open World Entertainment CEO who allegedly let Shinhwa use it for free, but who knows the real price considering that the dude is a criminal.

[CALICO CAT]

the company created and named the group, that's why they hold the rights to it

 

but i still think cube is being nonsensical

[purpleprint]

I like this comment

 

 

12. [+6, -1] It's hard to take either side. Imagine the company Orion.. they produced 'Chocopies' for 40 years, coming up with the idea, marketing, and production of it. If the person that was in charge of that quits and decides to start a new company and sell the exact same name, is that fair at all? That's what rights boils down to... Cube probably thinks the name B2ST is something they produced while the members think the name B2ST was more influenced by themselves... It's a tricky situation because both the members and the agency built themselves up together. None of this would've happened if they learned to share...

[Grape Soda]

5. [+48, -2] I don't support B2ST anymore, I support Highlight

[Iceprince]

What is the problem here? CUBE has it's rights to B2ST's name. It's their product after all.

[Sapphic]

"Unheard of in America"

 

Why do you think Prince had to become "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince"

[SeeYaWithYou]

It's not even unheard of tho

[devilvp]

Cube holds the rights to B2st's name but if they're actually continuing with the idea of redebuting Hyunseung with new trainees and thinking that they could prosper with new generations of beast then they're incredibly wrong. Hyunseung is nearing enlistment age, what makes Cube think they can leech off of b2st's brand name and succeed.

 

Is Highlight eligible for rookie awards this year? It'd such a humorous reversal & victory. They have a big supportive fandom and public fame & support, they gon snatch everyone's weaves

[sugarplumfairy]

I mean.....it's not THAT unheard of. 

[STORM]

OGB2ST FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!

[superstarlight]

If Highlight is eligible for rookie award... Everyone is shook

 

Rookie with 8yrs experience and daesangs

 

Cube can gtfo

[PockyAddict1989]

Nah, Motown also used to do that (hence why for example the "Jackson 5" had to change to  "The Jacksons") and plenty of other western labels did at that time period too. This is'nt something unique to kpop.

 

And the prince example is another one of a label witholding a entertainer name.

[Seulo]

What is the problem here? CUBE has it's rights to B2ST's name. It's their product after all.

[lepidoptery]

7. [+29, -0] It's tough to compare our music market to UK or America. They operate under labels that are different from our music agencies who do everything from creating the overall 'concept' of an idol, piecing together the members, etc. In America, a label acts only as a support system for amateur talents and helping them schedule events and activities for commission.

9. [+23, -0] With how much power fandoms hold in the industry, I have to wonder why Cube chose the route that would taint their image. Just look at Kwang Soo, you can see how important a CEO's image is. His negative image causes the rest of his artists to be seen in a negative light with him. With all of the expenses that go into producing an album, why would Cube choose to keep the name B2ST and spend all those expenses only to debut that album to a bunch of antis? Cube used to have the image of a successful mid-tier company working its way up but now they look as weird as Kwang Soo's agency. Whatever they end up doing with the B2ST name, the group is just going to end up as the male T-ara ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹

 

10. [+12, -0] I heard that it's illegal for Highlight to change their name to anything similar to B2ST like B2STIE, B2STAE, etc. All of this is probably the most heart breaking for the original members anyway.

7. This is how it is!  but at the same time....

 

9. There is kind of a point to this.

 

10. And it's fortunate for Bestie that they can't do this.  Besides,

 

Highlight is a great name anyway, better than 90% of k-pop group names.

I agree that Highlight is a good name (haven't heard the reasoning for it and don't need to), and much better than Beast (even if it's too bad about the fandom name).  I recall Beast had a shitty backronym attached to it, too... now everyone can forget about it for good. XD

 

Um.  But people on wikipedia shouldn't have renamed the Beast article with Highlight.  Since "Beast" might still be an entity and all (and even if it isn't).  They should just have a separate article, do a brief recap of their career as Beast (while linking to the Beast article) and go from there.

 

EDIT: oic, it was the name of their 3rd full album.