sergel 3,567 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Out of curiosity. I guess there might be some cases where the physical sales didn't really do much to help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen_ki 11,021 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Crayon Pop's Bar Bar Bar started as just a digital single, but the craze cause them to release an album too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Jung 19,680 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 BEAST won with On Rainy Days as a pre-release single does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milup 1,920 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 2ne1 3 times with 3 different songs last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargazer 3,343 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 2NE1 2011 August 5 "I Am the Best" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cytherial 4,589 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 my babies did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergel 3,567 Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 BEAST won with On Rainy Days as a pre-release single does that count? Yeah that's one. And I guess 2ne1 is another. Has Music Bank's system changed recently? Just curious, because point totals since Crayon Pop's August win seem pretty low for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Jung 19,680 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Yeah that's one. And I guess 2ne1 is another. Has Music Bank's system changed recently? Just curious, because point totals since Crayon Pop's August win seem pretty low for some reason. Yeah they used to be around over 10k or more heck even Psy got over 30k score I think since they changed PD the score got lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Maple 9,002 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 IU feat Seulong did with Nagging IU also did with Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Yoon 2,195 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 B2ST- On Rainy Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinky 15,878 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 i think adam couple song ' We fell in love' won twice on music bank. the song is a digital single Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatsvicchan 3,818 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 IU feat Seulong did with Nagging IU also did with Friday Friday is from Modern Times - Epilogue, so it is not a digital single. 2ne1 3 times with 3 different songs last year I thought they didn't perform on Music Bank? They won 3 times with FIL (M!C, Music Core, Inki), once with Do You Love Me (M!C) and several times with Missing You but not on Music Bank since they didn't perform here = no broadcast points They won with IATB in 2011! As people said, B2ST with On Rainy Days, and maybe GD last year since he released the digital album first (with Black) and then the 2nd part physically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen 8,635 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Iirc, back in April 2009 (and before), Music Bank didn't include album sales in the K-Chart. SNSD won 9 times with Gee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdutchman 511 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Psy's Gentleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepidoptery 2,917 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Huh, I thought Lee Hi could have won there, considering Ailee won with I Will Show You (amidst all of Psy's wins orz orz orz) and her physical game is pretty insignificant. But I think YG (not Psy, obv) had an issue with KBS MuBank at the time. Everyone was amazed when YG acts showed up there in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMakeMyPoint 3,705 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Gee 9 times in 2009. At that time, Music Bank is pure based on digital sales. So it does not matter if you released a digital single or a physical album. only digital scores were counted. IN fact having physical release meant fans were likely to only buy the album and it would actually weaken digital sales a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly0915 3,245 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 2ne1 3 times with 3 different songs last year None of those happened on Music Bank though... 2NE1 2011 August 5 "I Am the Best" I Am the Best was released when their physical album was released, they had 4383 physical sales points. BEAST won with On Rainy Days as a pre-release single does that count? K-Chart will give physical sales points to the song from the album with the highest digital sales, so it's not like they won that one without any help from physical sales. Considering that 10000 of their 14000 points came from physical sales, I don't think this is what OP is thining of. Yeah that's one. And I guess 2ne1 is another. Has Music Bank's system changed recently? Just curious, because point totals since Crayon Pop's August win seem pretty low for some reason. They changed it beginning on the August 30th broadcast last year. 3 of the categories changed: -Originally the digital sales part included only the top 100, but it has since been expanded to the top 200, which means digital sales points are lower than before since the 130,000 points in that category are divided over more songs. -Viewer survey used to include only 70-80 songs each week, and now includes 100+ songs. Again, the 20,000 points are divided over more songs, so points are generally lower. -The definition of a broadcast has changed in such a way that each broadcast is now worth about 1/4th of what they used to. Since physical sales have not changed while the other categories have all had their points more divided, this means that physical sales points now have a much larger effect on the winner compared to the last system. 5000 points is enough to snag a win now, and if 3500 of those are physical sales points you may not even need 1000 in digital points to win. Before, even with 3500 physical sales points you usually needed at least 2500 digital sales points to win. VIXX would not have won under the previous system, and B.A.P, who I believe will win today, would not either. I think what you're really trying to ask is "have songs ever won with little or no physical sales"-- because if a song is NOT a digital single, if there are no physical sales (for example, if the physical album has not been released yet, etc.), then it cannot get any boost from physical sales. The answer is yes, plenty of songs have won Music Bank without physical sales. Gee 9 times in 2009. At that time, Music Bank is pure based on digital sales. So it does not matter if you released a digital single or a physical album. only digital scores were counted. IN fact having physical release meant fans were likely to only buy the album and it would actually weaken digital sales a little bit. Actually, they used digital+physical every week, and at the end of the month they would include the viewer survey too. Wikipedia has a good summary of the different systems used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergel 3,567 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 None of those happened on Music Bank though... I Am the Best was released when their physical album was released, they had 4383 physical sales points. K-Chart will give physical sales points to the song from the album with the highest digital sales, so it's not like they won that one without any help from physical sales. Considering that 10000 of their 14000 points came from physical sales, I don't think this is what OP is thining of. They changed it beginning on the August 30th broadcast last year. 3 of the categories changed: -Originally the digital sales part included only the top 100, but it has since been expanded to the top 200, which means digital sales points are lower than before since the 130,000 points in that category are divided over more songs. -Viewer survey used to include only 70-80 songs each week, and now includes 100+ songs. Again, the 20,000 points are divided over more songs, so points are generally lower. -The definition of a broadcast has changed in such a way that each broadcast is now worth about 1/4th of what they used to. Since physical sales have not changed while the other categories have all had their points more divided, this means that physical sales points now have a much larger effect on the winner compared to the last system. 5000 points is enough to snag a win now, and if 3500 of those are physical sales points you may not even need 1000 in digital points to win. Before, even with 3500 physical sales points you usually needed at least 2500 digital sales points to win. VIXX would not have won under the previous system, and B.A.P, who I believe will win today, would not either. I think what you're really trying to ask is "have songs ever won with little or no physical sales"-- because if a song is NOT a digital single, if there are no physical sales (for example, if the physical album has not been released yet, etc.), then it cannot get any boost from physical sales. The answer is yes, plenty of songs have won Music Bank without physical sales. Actually, they used digital+physical every week, and at the end of the month they would include the viewer survey too. Wikipedia has a good summary of the different systems used. Yeah this is more of what I was talking about. Thanks for all the info. I was surprised by the music bank change. I thought it would be harder now for physical sales to affect the score, but it makes sense how you explained it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen_ki 11,021 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 They changed it beginning on the August 30th broadcast last year. 3 of the categories changed: -Originally the digital sales part included only the top 100, but it has since been expanded to the top 200, which means digital sales points are lower than before since the 130,000 points in that category are divided over more songs. -Viewer survey used to include only 70-80 songs each week, and now includes 100+ songs. Again, the 20,000 points are divided over more songs, so points are generally lower. -The definition of a broadcast has changed in such a way that each broadcast is now worth about 1/4th of what they used to. LOL That's the day Crayon Pop won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly0915 3,245 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 LOL That's the day Crayon Pop won. well yeah but since they didn't win based on physical sales, it doesn't make a difference for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen_ki 11,021 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 well yeah but since they didn't win based on physical sales, it doesn't make a difference for them I know. I just found it funny the points thing changed on that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo's Candy Jelly Ho 3,458 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Nine Muses with Glue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistressnicey 25,196 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 B2ST- On Rainy Days you got negged LOL +1'd you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Yotsubato~ 3,849 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Iirc, back in April 2009 (and before), Music Bank didn't include album sales in the K-Chart. SNSD won 9 times with Gee. IN A ROW....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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