mundane 708 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 It was EXO-M & EXO-K(the 6 members subgroup/project group) which debuted in April, 2012 and later in June 2013 the whole group debuted in the name of EXO. I think this is why many people in Korea thinks EXO debuted in 2013. I also saw many rankings that don't add up EXO-K and EXO-M achievements together with EXO. For instance, Most wins on Music shows history is ranked in the following way 1. SNSD: 100 wins 2. Bigbang: 80 wins 3. EXO: 77 wins( they don't add the 10 wins from EXO-K to make it 87) http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/12/groups-with-the-most-wins-on-music-programs-in-k-pop-history/s/ Even when you go to gaon, they count EXO and EXO-K&M sales as different artists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaon_Album_Chart When you go to melon, they count EXO's debut as 2013.06.03 http://www.melon.com/artist/timeline.htm?artistId=724619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
�ნუკი 408 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Their breakthough was in 2013 so anyways they will be associated as someone who started in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 That's interesting you say that because if you think about... Sorta Technically as 12 whole yeah ... EXO debuted as one in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Their breakthough was in 2013 so anyways they will be associated as someone who started in 2013. What op is saying the name "EXO" not K or M started in 2013. Technically OP is correct EXO debuted in 2013... EXO-K and M debuted in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohan Kishibe 13,712 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Need Some Milk 4,270 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I mean they were low key in the SM dungeon for most of 2012 and didn't really break through until 2013 but they DID debut 2012. So as EXO they debuted techically in 2013? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,624 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 In a technical sense, EXO-M and EXO-K are separate artists from EXO, which is why their achievements/sales etc are never added to EXO's as a full group~ But the members themselves did debut in 2012 even if they never came together as EXO until 2013~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 In a technical sense, EXO-M and EXO-K are separate artists from EXO, which is why their achievements/sales etc are never added to EXO's as a full group~ But the members themselves did debut in 2012 even if they never came together as EXO until 2013~ ^ that pretty much LOL btw if you google and ask EXO debut year for some reason I get 2011 LMAOOO because of Kai's teaser being in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigo 16,433 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They performed as 12 in 2012. 2011 if you want to get real technical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want me 2,230 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Flopping is a debut tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They performed as 12 in 2012. 2011 if you want to get real technical. Yeah for some reason google saids they debuted in 2011 as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
�ნუკი 408 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 What op is saying the name "EXO" not K or M started in 2013. Technically OP is correct EXO debuted in 2013... EXO-K and M debuted in 2012 I saw that point,I just pointed out another reason why they might be associated as someone who debuted in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigo 16,433 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Yeah for some reason google saids they debuted in 2011 as well... They performed on New Year's Eve. So technically, that's their debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I saw that point,I just pointed out another reason why they might be associated as someone who debuted in 2013. It could be a few dates. I guess it could be either 2011 or 2013 technically... Honestly, I just stick with 2012. 2011 was the introduction to them 2012 was the intro to them separately and 2013 was them as a whole doing music shows... so it can be either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,624 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They performed as 12 in 2012. 2011 if you want to get real technical. I think they were specifically talking about dropping an album, since yeah, they did preform as 12 before 2013, but the first OT12 album wasn't till XOXO~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seulgi's jams 1,338 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 i think you went backwards a year. oops fixed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundane 708 Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 In a technical sense, EXO-M and EXO-K are separate artists from EXO, which is why their achievements/sales etc are never added to EXO's as a full group~ But the members themselves did debut in 2012 even if they never came together as EXO until 2013~ I am saying if they count EXO's debut as 2012, why not count the achievements of the group that actually debuted in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They performed on New Year's Eve. So technically, that's their debut. Never forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasta 5,874 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 They performed on New Year's Eve. So technically, that's their debut. Does a performance really count as a debut though? Didn't NCT members put on shows and performances together when they were still trainees? But they don't officially debut until the unit they're in releases a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanille 1,800 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Nope. They started promoting title tracks as 12 but the b-sides were still K and M versions with 6 members. And in Exodus 4 members for M version. So if you wanna base it on that then Love Me Right was their debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,624 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I am saying if they count EXO's debut as 2012, why not count the achievements of the group that actually debuted in 2012 Because I think the fact that they're under a separate name artist name "EXO-K/EXO-M" means that they can't technically combine them to the name "EXO". Like I'm pretty sure they add all the achievements of EXO-K and EXO-M together amongst themselves like total albums sold would be MAMA + Overdose for each. But they can't count them with EXO because it's released under another name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Nope. They started promoting title tracks as 12 but the b-sides were still K and M versions with 6 members. And in Exodus 4 members for M version. So if you wanna base it on that then Love Me Right was their debut. I think it's going off by title tracks .... Wolf was the first Title with all 12 on both versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,624 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Nope. They started promoting title tracks as 12 but the b-sides were still K and M versions with 6 members. And in Exodus 4 members for M version. So if you wanna base it on that then Love Me Right was their debut. There were songs on albums before LMR that weren't just OT6~ Like The Star on MID has Kris and Baeksoo on both versions~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightEXO 12,909 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Because I think the fact that they're under a separate name artist name "EXO-K/EXO-M" means that they can't technically combine them to the name "EXO". Like I'm pretty sure they add all the achievements of EXO-K and EXO-M together amongst themselves like total albums sold would be MAMA + Overdose for each. But they can't count them with EXO because it's released under another name. question so when EXO has their next Mini ... Do you think they will be an EXO Mini since K and M is dead i guess ... This will be EXO's actual first Mini album WOW 3 albums and 1 Mini ... Technically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,624 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 question so when EXO has their next Mini ... Do you think they will be an EXO Mini since K and M is dead i guess ... This will be EXO's actual first Mini album WOW 3 albums and 1 Mini ... Technically IDK, because all their minis before now have been M and K, so it seems it will most likely be under EXO~ Though SM still has M and K on their sites and updates them for each comeback, I doubt they'll just do a XiuChenLay album, realistically~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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