bb4 25,058 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 The January 2017 issue of National Geographic features a major first in the the storied 128-year-old publication’s history — for the first time ever, the cover features a transgender individual.The special “Gender Revolution†issue features interviews with more than 80 transgender and gender-expansive youth across the globe. And most notable of all, the person who had the honor of being on the cover is 9-year-old transgender girl Avery Jackson of Kansas City, Mo. On the cover, Avery is quoted as saying, “The best thing about being a girl is, now I don’t have to pretend to be a boy.†Avery gained national attention last year for a video diary she created and released to underscore to those who might not understand that as a transgender young girl, she is in fact, in her words, “just a normal girl.â€Avery’s mother, Debi, is a member of the Human Rights Campaign’s (HRC) Parents for Transgender Equality Council, which was launched on Nov. 14. Debi’s LGBT advocacy work made national headlines when a video of a 2014 speech she gave went viral. In the speech, she explained that she is a “conservative, Southern Baptist, Republican from Alabama.†She said, “My God taught us to love one another. My daughter is a girl in her heart. She knows it. God knows it. And that’s good enough for me.â€Unfortunately, many young transgender people still struggle with the stigma that persists and often leads to discrimination and violence. Seventy-five percent of transgender youth reported feeling unsafe in school, according to the National Center for Transgender Equality. In a national survey on transgender discrimination, 78 percent of students reported harassment, 35 percent said they had been physical assaulted, and 12 percent reported instances of sexual violence. Furthermore, 90 percent of transgender students reported having heard negative remarks in school about their gender expression, and an additional 39 percent of students reported hearing teachers and staff making such remarks. These kinds of threatening sentiments can have tragic results. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 25 percent of all transgender youth report attempted suicide. Because of this, the CDC recommends that schools actively prohibit bullying, harassment, and violence against all students; identify “safe spaces,†where LGBT students can receive support from teachers and administrators; encourage student-led and student-organized clubs that promote a safe and welcoming environment; and facilitate access to community-based providers who have experience in providing social, psychological, and health services to LGBT youth. Under the Obama administration, the Department of Education issued guidance for schools outlining protections for transgender students as guaranteed under Title IX, the federal law that prevents sex-based discrimination in educational environments. Under this guidance, schools are required to treat and address all students according to their self-identified gender identity, meaning that transgender students should be guaranteed access to locker rooms and bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity and that these students should be referred to by their preferred name and pronouns in classroom settings. It is estimated that 2 to 5 percent of all Americans are transgender. cr I can't believe this tbhapparently she started her transition at the age of 4. fucking 4I can't believe someone would let their child change their entire body and sterilise it at the age of 4there are adult trans people who regret transitioning and the fact that her mother makes money because of this ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiraDoru 12,323 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Sums up my feelings about this pretty well https://youtube.com/watch?v=4gtx7OVYby0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Schulman 7,940 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I didn't know kids were old enough to make such life decisions. Before you know it they are allowed to get tattoos as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainbowsoldier 1,604 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm confused, why are you all angry at this? How about Angelina Jolie's son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Schulman 7,940 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I'm confused, why are you all angry at this? How about Angelina Jolie's son? because the kid is 9. I don't know about Angelina's kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STAN DREAMCATCHER 448 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 My opinion is that you call them whatever they want you to, and they can dress how they want (as long as they don't look a fool in public), but do not start physical transitioning until it's clear that they have wanted to for longer than at least a year and a half, and even then I probably wouldn't give it to my child until they're around ten years old. Four is too early. Do I really believe that the kid is trans? Yes. Do I think it's too early? I'm not their parent, but I would have waited a little bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkWhale 2,590 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 WTF transition at 4 ? His mother is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
done. 371 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Y'all really are....lmao I'm too tired to get into this nvm Sent from my iPhone using OneHallyu mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
done. 371 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 My opinion is that you call them whatever they want you to, and they can dress how they want (as long as they don't look a fool in public), but do not start physical transitioning until it's clear that they have wanted to for longer than at least a year and a half, and even then I probably wouldn't give it to my child until they're around ten years old. Four is too early. Do I really believe that the kid is trans? Yes. Do I think it's too early? I'm not their parent, but I would have waited a little bit longer. I agree Sent from my iPhone using OneHallyu mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gxha 683 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 What the actual fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenElizabeth 1,470 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I find it amazing that fucking onehallyu users are apparently more equipped and informed to know about raising trans children than actual expert child psychologists... No seriously, you all shut your mouths...open them again when what you say isn't completely ignorant and transphobic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyHill's Comeback 2,080 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I'm sure there was lots of talking, not just with the girl and her mother, but with doctors and psychologists as well.. You all act like they forced this shit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnikanikutri 243 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Would OH users please READ THE ACTUAL ARTICLE first OR watch the girl's interview OR google her to know more before making ill-informed judgement about her and her parents based on whatever preconceived notion you have, ffs? I can't believe this tbhapparently she started her transition at the age of 4. fucking 4I can't believe someone would let their child change their entire body and sterilise it at the age of 4there are adult trans people who regret transitioning and the fact that her mother makes money because of this ugh Like this. OP, what? There's no mention of her physically (medically) transitioning ANYWHERE in the news or in the internet, much less addding "from age 4". From what can I gather, she herself wanted to become a girl and mentioned her intent to her parents (which are Southern Baptists, btw), which then Look, I'll quote a letter made by the girl's father in NYT : An essay by Avery's father: My name is Tom. I am a husband, a father, and most of all, I try to be a decent human being. I only make the last statement because recently there have been people that have directed vile and hateful comments toward my family. At 4 years old, my child revealed her true self by stating very clearly and articulately “I am really a girl, I am a girl on the inside.†This statement altered my life forever and is something I would not change for the world. Looking back now, the signs in the year before her declaration were clear. A child who was happy and carefree began to be angry, depressed, and was acting out. Once our daughter had the words to express who she was in her heart and her brain, we began to seek help from medical experts. We took her to see her pediatrician, a child psychologist, and a gender therapist. Our child was diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria, and we were told that allowing her to socially transition to live as a girl was the proper “treatment.†At that point my wife and I poured over every bit of information we could find about transgender children. The information was sparse, but what we did find was very disturbing. Over 50% of transgender children try to commit suicide by their mid to late teenage years. A large number of them succeed. And the main reason that these children state that they try to harm themselves is the lack of love and support of their family and friends. My wife and I decided that we would much rather have a happy, healthy daughter than a dead son. In the time since her transition, a spunky and confident little girl has emerged. During the last year some of you were introduced to my wife, who inadvertently has become a fierce advocate for LGBT youth, thanks to regarding our love for our daughter. Recently, our daughter has asked us to let her tell her story — in her own words, because she is proud of who she is and wants to help other kids like her to “change the world.†I only tell our story because there are those who are uninformed about what it means to be transgender or who think that we as the parents are forcing this on our child. I can assure you that this is not the case. The one thing that I impart upon my daughter is very simple: Love yourself and show love to others. That is exactly what I intend to do. I love my daughter for who she is without preconditions, and I promise to help nurture her into a becoming a happy, healthy and productive member of society. After all, isn’t that our job as parents? And based on the girl's I don't feel inclined to disagree with her own lived experience, however young she might be. And what is this even?? Sums up my feelings about this pretty wellhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=4gtx7OVYby0 I have no words. Sterilization? From whichever ass does the youtuber pull that shit from?? There's no sterilization, there's no physical transitioning and from what I've read about this topic, she does not know what she's talking about. I checked the youtuber's other videos, and look what I found : ...and wow, this is worse than I thought it would be a transphobic, alt-right youtuber making a video slandering a 7-year old transgender child rife with misinformation? Gee, i wonder why. edit : and for those negging me, please at least provide facts and arguments, not just your hate for transgender people, cya~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuturingGirl 1,841 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I have no words. Sterilization? From whichever ass does the youtuber pull that shit from?? There's no sterilization, there's no physical transitioning and from what I've read about this topic, she does not know what she's talking about. It might be from the fact that she, herself, is transgender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom Rose 6 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sums up my feelings about this pretty well https://youtube.com/watch?v=4gtx7OVYby0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnikanikutri 243 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It might be from the fact that she, herself, is transgender? Oh, hmmmmmm, you mean forced sterilization? A crime that has been categorized under Crime Against Humanity by the Rome Statute? Yeah, what about it? Sorry, I'll leave the sarcasm out. What I meant is that the youtuber implied that sterilization is a part of transitioning and that the girl, given that she will continue her transition, will inevitably come upon a decision to sterilize herself. Which is wholly untrue. Forced sterilization of transgender people have been the case, NOT sterilizing oneself as part of transitioning. Futhermore, one could transition without being medically assisted, a.k.a not having surgery. So, yes. What I'm laughing at is the youtuber has implied sterilization as something that transgender people do, which is technically true for medically transitioning transgenders and people that have a sex-reassignment surgery in the sense that their genitals' function has been severely altered. But it's untrue that sterilization is a part of transitioning. edit - TL;DR : being a transgender does not necessarily mean medical transition and definitely doesn't mean that she's going to sterilize herself because forced sterilization to transgenders is usually a crime done by the government, not a conscious decision done by transitioning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnikanikutri 243 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Also, the youtuber got her facts blurry. The mother didn't became a trans activist before her daughter started wanting transition, but after. When a close person in your life said that she's in a minority group which is, after research, you know to be a group that is vilified, hated and killed more than the general population, wouldn't you want to be an activist for said group? edit : also ffs people, where the everloving f%%% is the child abuse in this case? Please show me the evidence for child abuse or shut the hell up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuturingGirl 1,841 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sorry, I'll leave the sarcasm out. What I meant is that the youtuber implied that sterilization is a part of transitioning and that the girl, given that she will continue her transition, will inevitably come upon a decision to sterilize herself. Which is wholly untrue. Forced sterilization of transgender people have been the case, NOT sterilizing oneself as part of transitioning. Futhermore, one could transition without being medically assisted, a.k.a not having surgery. So, yes. What I'm laughing at is the youtuber has implied sterilization as something that transgender people do, which is technically true for medically transitioning transgenders and people that have a sex-reassignment surgery in the sense that their genitals' function has been severely altered. But it's untrue that sterilization is a part of transitioning. In an earlier video about this same topic, she mentioned that she had been on hormones for over a year and those hormones had sterilized her. Basically, her issue boils down to parents who encourage sex reassignment and/or hormones which, like had happened to her already, will most likely sterilize that person, and children don't understand the gravity of that change, so therefore encouraging children to medically transition is dangerous. A child who decides they're transgender at a young age could end up growing up and becoming a teen and thinking otherwise. That's Blaire's big issue here. As far as I see it, boasting transgender children in the media could lead to the issue of encouraging medical transition in children, but that's kinda slippery-slope-ish. I'm not saying I agree with everything Blaire is saying, just trying to make sense of what's going on with her argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnikanikutri 243 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 In an earlier video about this same topic, she mentioned that she had been on hormones for over a year and those hormones had sterilized her. Basically, her issue boils down to parents who encourage sex reassignment and/or hormones which, like had happened to her already, will most likely sterilize that person, and children don't understand the gravity of that change, so therefore encouraging children to medically transition is dangerous. A child who decides they're transgender at a young age could end up growing up and becoming a teen and thinking otherwise. That's Blaire's big issue here. As far as I see it, boasting transgender children in the media could lead to the issue of encouraging medical transition in children, but that's kinda slippery-slope-ish. I'm not saying I agree with everything Blaire is saying, just trying to make sense of what's going on with her argument. I understand and I've now watched her previous video. My problem though... is that, first of all, she's badly misinformed about how children are given medical help for transitioning - they're not given hormones until 16, they're given puberty-blocking drugs, starting at age 10-12. Look, there's a good complete, citation-backed analysis on another blog about the claims made by blair white, here : http://genderanalysis.net/2016/10/transgender-youth-fact-check-blaire-white-is-wrong-part-1-fundamentals/ http://genderanalysis.net/2016/10/transgender-youth-fact-check-blaire-white-is-wrong-part-2-outcomes/ There are a lot of relevant studies already being done about the topic of children wanting transition and the two articles really help guiding those who wanted to learn. I'll just quote something : Suppose that every child’s body simply began to tattoo itself automatically in certain patterns at puberty. Suppose you knew that for children properly diagnosed with a particular condition, there was a significant likelihood that they would find their emerging pattern of tattoos to be highly distressing throughout the rest of their life. There’s a concerning possibility that, as an adult, they will need extensive and scarring tattoo removals as well as the addition of the tattoos they wanted in the first place. Suppose you had a treatment that would stop this child’s body from developing these tattoos for a few years, during which time they can consider and choose which set of tattoos they want, under the care and consultation of a team of professional tattoo experts. Eventually, they may choose to get the tattoos that they wanted to begin with, avoiding years of bodily discomfort and painful procedures in adulthood. Why shouldn’t that option be available to these children? When you let their puberty happen without intervention, you’re already letting them get the very real and often permanent markings of adolescent development. Even if you cast your inaction as somehow ‘neutral’, the weight of the results is not diminished. An absence of action is not an absence of consequences. and about regretting transitioning : Regret over transitioning is very uncommon, and several studies have found rates of regret of below 5%. That is what makes me think youth who transition will not grow up and realize they were wrong. One study of 767 trans people in Sweden over 50 years found that only 2.2% regretted transitioning (Dhejne, Öberg, Arver, & Landén, 2014). Other studies have found regret rates as high as 4% (Weyers et al., 2009) and as low as 0% (Johansson, Sundbom, Höjerback, & Bodlund, 2010). There is little indication that “a lot†of people who choose to transition will ultimately conclude that it was a mistake. Saying that this is “not … the majority†does not adequately express how rare this is. A better word would be “negligibleâ€. I have talked about this myth of widespread regret since last year – and more than that, I’ve investigated it. High-profile stories of regret are often nothing but the same handful of examples that have been circulated for the past 20 years. In many of these cases, the individuals only regretted transitioning due to the transphobic harassment and abuse they’d received from others. Many stated they did not actually regret transitioning, and some who had de-transitioned went on to transition once again. More trans people talking about this will mean more trans people talking about very high rates of satisfaction with transition, and very low rates of regret. Also... I don't really want to go into this argument, but Blair White is a person who uses the 'tranny' slur in her videos, which has been used really negatively to refer to trans people and... I'm having doubts myself about the veracity of her claims that she's a transgender given that she haven't really told her story of how and why she became a transwoman and when she does talk about it (I've watched some of her videos just then), she is badly misinformed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnikanikutri 243 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 And look, if you A child who decides they're transgender at a young age could end up growing up and becoming a teen and thinking otherwise. That's Blaire's big issue here. As far as I see it, boasting transgender children in the media could lead to the issue of encouraging medical transition in children, but that's kinda slippery-slope-ish. I'm not saying I agree with everything Blaire is saying, just trying to make sense of what's going on with her argument. Also look, have you talked to any transgender people yet? If you have transgender friends, one of the oft-repeated story is how from a very young age they already have difficulties fitting in their original bodies' gender. Their parents and their friends basically told them that feeling like that is wrong, that trans people is an abomination and as a result, well, almost half of trans people or non-conforming individuals have attempted suicide in their lives. On the opposite side, allowing children to explore their gender like Avery, not necessarily pursuing medical methods, could do a world of good to those trans children who feel that they have no place in the world. The medical community do know the risks associated with medically transitioning too early, that's why there's a stringent system in place to prevent that - doctors won't just willy-nilly assign heavy prescription hormones to children like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Everything 23,394 Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 · Hidden by Maphisto40, December 30, 2016 - Poster requested removal Hidden by Maphisto40, December 30, 2016 - Poster requested removal I find it amazing that fucking onehallyu users are apparently more equipped and informed to know about raising trans children than actual expert child psychologists... No seriously, you all shut your mouths...open them again when what you say isn't completely ignorant and transphobic TELL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment
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