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Where do we draw the "joke" line?


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After the recent topic about SHINee's appearance on Knowing Bros. and how one (or several) k-Shawols complained about Taemin's treatment on the show. I got to thinking about the whole concept of teasing/joking in kpop and SK variety in general.

 

Where do we draw the line with what is considered a joke and what is considered offensive? On one hand you have several users (in the previosuly mentioned thread) bashing Shawols for making a complaint about the jokes made towards Taemin about being "a real man" and the misgendering

 

On the other hand you have users bashing guys like Shindong/Kangin for making jokes about girl group members' weight. or users bashing idols who make colorist jokes against other idols

 

Why is one considered okay and "just a joke" and another crosses the line? Is the show where is the joke is made that much of a factor? Is it the gender of the idols the joke is being made about?

 

I would like to hear some thoughts on this.

 

 

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When you crack the joke once and the person says stop, you should stop.

 

However this only applies to relationships where people are on equal grounds and can stop each other.

 

For imbalanced relationships...don't even go there unless you close af

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One of the reasons I don't like SK variety shows is because of the jokes.

They don't know how to make laugh people without saying racist jokes, misogynist or fat shaming someone...

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draw the line when your joke belittles someone's gender, race, culture, sexuality, femininity/masculinity, weight, skin color, traumatic experiences, mental health, sometimes physical health, upbringing, family life, lack of finances (it's okay to make fun of rich people), education, or children.

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draw the line when your joke belittles someone's gender, race, culture, sexuality, femininity/masculinity, weight, skin color, traumatic experiences, mental health, sometimes physical health, upbringing, family life, lack of finances (it's okay to make fun of rich people), education, or children.

 

Some might tell you to "just get over it" Shawnee. Not to mention most jokes told will most likely mention one of the things you listed. So what jokes are even left?

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One of the reasons I don't like SK variety shows is because of the jokes.

They don't know how to make laugh people without saying racist jokes, misogynist or fat shaming someone...

 

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Some shows are too much.. They treat idols like shit and try to humiliate them, not just with racist jokes. Like the incident with Jungkook in Flower Crew, the crew was so rude. Or making fun of someone's skin colour, or fat shaming them in pre-debut pics. Joking is okay but they tend to take joking TOO far.

 

 

She/He probably thinks it's okay since she/he joked about wishing Infinite to be part of korean government scandal :donthinkso:
 
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She/He probably thinks it's okay since she/he joked about wishing Infinite to be part of korean government scandal :donthinkso:

 

They really joked that? smh that's vile.

 

I already know that person is a supreme troll who likes trouble but I still wanted to hear their response  :lol:

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They really joked that? smh that's vile.

 

I already know that person is a supreme troll who likes trouble but I still wanted to hear their response :lol:

Yeah that user is an awful troll, shouldn't bother tbh. She/he hates Lovelyz anyway :rolleyes:

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Do you guys really think that the guests of these shows don't know what's coming for them? lol Every show has a concept and people who guest there are aware of that. I really don't see the problem with hosts teasing the guests, esp when the guests can diss back. If it's a fair game, then it's OK. 

 

I don't recall who, but I remember someone saying that after the show they apologize in case something too mean was said & etc. And I'm pretty sure they check with the guests and their team where they can go and where they shouldn't go. It's TV after all, there's a whole lot of production behind every episode.

 

In short: They draw the line backstage, so we don't know where it's drawn unless someone talks about it. What would be good, honestly. Idols should guest only if they can show that they agreed to all of these things, because fans always get sensitive over jokes.

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Our freedom stops where the other person's freedom begins. If you need to offend/bash/make fun of a group a people to make a joke, then you shouldn't be doing them. It's perfectly possible to have fun without being an ass. People just tell it's a "joke" or to "let it go" because usually the jokes are made with the minorities.

 

If it isn't for everyone to laugh, it's not a joke.  

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If you can't make jokes that aren't offensive and playing on already existing power structures then you're not a very good comedian, making jokes targeting members of marginalized populations isn't new or funny or clever its an age old cop out for unfunny people/people not willing to put in the work

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Fans defending their faves when they say something offensive is expected, but variety shows fans are so weird........  Someone said that refraining from tired tropes is "clipping the show's wings"  :derp:

Anyway if a joke is reinforcing negative and dangerous social issues (misogyny, colorism, gender stereotypes etc) I don't see how it's funny, especially if they're cracked among people with a different power balance.

 

Personally as an outsider, I don't really give a damn if two close friends insult each other jokingly, but obviously on television it's different since it's a public platform and viewers have every right not to like certain jokes and express their discomfort

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I find it interesting that despite the fact that Taemin has said so many times before that he despises being called girly, too feminine, being misgendered, etc. and yet when they did it on Knowing Brothers people are telling Shawols to "calm down, stop overreacting, he's a big boy" and whatnot. Meanwhile if the same thing happened to Amber (and it does) - being called a man, masculine, misgendering her, etc., everyone has no problem defending her and calling out their outrage for it. I don't think Shawols are out of line at all for being upset about what happened on the episode.

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I find it interesting that despite the fact that Taemin has said so many times before that he despises being called girly, too feminine, being misgendered, etc. and yet when they did it on Knowing Brothers people are telling Shawols to "calm down, stop overreacting, he's a big boy" and whatnot. 

 

Right. This is where I fall. I don't really find it funny to make gendered jokes like that anyway. Because they tend to be rooted in toxic masculinity/stereotypical views of what makes a 'man.'

 

But all that aside, Taemin has SPECIFICALLY said that he does not like these jokes, and that he would appreciate it if they would stop. I think when an individual goes on record indicating they don't welcome certain jokes, then they shouldn't be made. And if they are, people are right to call out the 'comedians' for it.

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I find it ridiculous how fans expect the entire celebrity industry to be aware of what their idols have said on broadcasts regarding what they dislike, when there are so many shows over the years and you can't expect them to be aware of everything that aired.

 

(Eg: Choo Sunghoon has done broadcasts aka Superman etc but when he guested on Knowing Bros he revealed he only knew 2-3 of the cast members because he worked with them before. He didn't even know who the others were. He didn't even know Heechul.)

 

Also this show has multiple filming breaks, and it has been mentioned by the cast that they do check with one another backstage regarding whether they need to tone down.

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I personally think as long it's obvious you're making a joke or satirising and not purposely inciting hate then almost anything is fair game. I regularly see on tv comedians make jokes about race, disabled, countries and so on, basically as much as you can get away with - just look at something like top gear, a very mainstream show that had lots of offensive jokes.

 

draw the line when your joke belittles someone's gender, race, culture, sexuality, femininity/masculinity, weight, skin color, traumatic experiences, mental health, sometimes physical health, upbringing, family life, lack of finances (it's okay to make fun of rich people), education, or children.

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