StarShapedGummy 11,380 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 as one of the first persons to be ridiculed here for supporting clinton: http://onehallyu.com/topic/314097-why-you-should-vote-for-hillary-for-president-of-the-united-states-if-youre-18/ i understand the concerns of the midwest region that got out and voted for trump, and it's not because everyone voted is a racist, misogynistic, a bigot, etc.U.S. has lost 5 million manufacturing jobs since 2000Donald Trump claims trade with Mexico and China is killing America's middle class. Corporate America says that's false."History shows that trade made easy, affordable and fast...always begets more trade, more jobs, more prosperity," the founder and CEO of FedEx wrote in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed.Who's right? Take a look at what has happened to blue-collar workers.Manufacturing jobs in the U.S. actually increased in the years after the North America Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada went into effect in 1994.But the story changed dramatically in 2000. Since then, the U.S. has shed 5 million manufacturing jobs, a fact opponents of free trade mention often. Over 12 million Americans still work in manufacturingTrump and Bernie Sanders blame China for undercutting American workers with cheap labor (even Trump makes a lot of his suits and ties overseas). But there's another big factor: technology. Robots and machines are also replacing workers. The tech trend would have happened regardless of trade.Still, manufacturing remains a key part of the U.S. economy. Over 12.3 million Americans are employed in the industry. But it's not the powerhouse it was.In 1960, about one in four American workers had a job in manufacturing. Today fewer than one in 10 are employed in the sector, according to government data.Call it the Great Shift. Workers transitioned from the fields to the factories. Now they are moving from factories to service counters and health care centers. The fastest growing jobs in America now are nurses, personal care aides, cooks, waiters, retail salespersons and operations managers. Trump's trade talk is 'bluster'Trade likely sped up the shift, but many experts say it was inevitable. It's unlikely many manufacturing jobs will ever return, even if Trump's walls get built."Trump's talk on trade is bluster," says economist Charles Ballard of Michigan State University. "Even if you did [what Trump says], you wouldn't reverse the technology, which is a very big part of the picture."Trump's threat to put hefty taxes on Chinese and Mexican goods coming into the country would likely to sink the economy into a recession. It would make many items at the store more expensive for working class Americans and spark a global trade war.The U.S. tried this tactic in the 1930s with a law known as Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. It backfired, pulling the U.S. further into the Great Depression.Many manufacturing jobs are lower middle classThe deeper question is whether the 5 million manufacturing positions that have been lost were truly that great. To put it another way, were the jobs lost really better than the jobs that have replaced them?Since the 1960s, manufacturing has always paid substantially more than the minimum wage. Even today, the manufacturing jobs that remain average $20.17 an hour. That's nearly three times the federal minimum wage.It's enough to vault a worker solidly into the lower middle class, although he or she still would earn less than the true middle -- $53,657 a year. Mention "blue collar," and most Americans visualize an auto worker. Someone who is middle class with a good salary and benefits despite not having a college degree.But the reality is manufacturing in America is (and always has) included a wide variety of positions. They range from clothing workers who make less than $25,000 a year on average to supervisors and plant operators who typically make almost $60,000 a year.Unemployment in the U.S. is low again because people have found work despite the manufacturing jobs disappearing.The jobs former manufacturing workers have moved into -- health care, construction and retail -- also vary greatly in pay, benefits and quality."Certain industries have declined and others have risen," says Harvard professor and trade expert Robert Lawrence. "In aggregate, the economy is close to full employment."Source: http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/ so don't say everyone who voted for trump voted because they are racist or sexist. they voted because of the "promise" of jobs back. whether trump can actually pull it off or if he has any even "great" plan to make this happen remains to be seen. he'll have an easy road, though, as congress has turned red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryKoong 1,085 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You do realize that Trump is a billionaire who outsources hundreds of manufacturing jobs right?? So is he trying to correct a problem he is apart of? Don't pretend to be a Hillary supporter please because Hillary supporters don't spout Trump logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohan Kishibe 13,713 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 They have their concerns, but they're not well informed with choosing who to address those concerns. Donald trump is going to ship more jobs overseas, he does it with his own company already. He's only made profits in the last 20 years off of going bankrupt. He cant' do that with our whole country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waycrispy1 3,434 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well it's 2016, how long do they expect to keep their manufacturing jobs for? In a few years accountants, lawyers, etc. will all be out of work, because the majority of what they do can be automated. Then we will have even more angry people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarShapedGummy 11,380 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 You do realize that Trump is a billionaire who outsources hundreds of manufacturing jobs right?? So is he trying to correct a problem he is apart of? Don't pretend to be a Hillary supporter please because Hillary supporters don't spout Trump logic. i didn't say i support him or believe he can get it done. i'm just saying the concerns of the people who voted for him. whether they were fed lies remains to be seen. but it is a concern among a lot of families in the midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretchen 201 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I said this in another thread, This is honestly not my own words but I modified to my venacular. That very same middle class is now floundering because they can't compete with the poverty-level wages that a given company can pay in, say, south east Asia. Republicans think that tax incentives and a minimum wage decrease would coax these companies back and give jobs to Americans, but they won't. The US government would have to pay them. No amount of tax breaks is going to make it more appealing to pay "entitled, fat, lazy" Americans 10x as much as they'd pay someone in SE Asia. No American would be able to live on the minuscule wages they would have to accept to compete with that. And if somehow those countries boom and start demanding wages like we do, there are plenty of other regions they can move to and begin exploiting. Who's going to stop them?I just pray for these people when they realized this trying new things isn't what it's cut out to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatoneuser 3,236 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You do realize that Trump is a billionaire who outsources hundreds of manufacturing jobs right?? So is he trying to correct a problem he is apart of? Don't pretend to be a Hillary supporter please because Hillary supporters don't spout Trump logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryKoong 1,085 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 i didn't say i support him or believe he can get it done. i'm just saying the concerns of the people who voted for him. whether they were fed lies remains to be seen. but it is a concern among a lot of families in the midwest. Okay, but you're not making any sense to me. Are you trying to say Hillary supporters also not concerned about this issue or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliette 812 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Are people living under a rock? Manufacturing jobs are being lost because of automation, not immigrants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzy Quatro 1,441 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well, I think ditching the free trade treatment would impact negatively their industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VANTE 4,595 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the jobs are not coming back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Jung 19,680 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 the positive thing i could only think of is Russia and US relationship has become a bit warmer God knows how Putin hates Clinton so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Mars 1,981 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 i can understand what some of trump voters reasoning, i see where they are coming from but i do not agree with it and i don't think trump (nor clinton) would be the one to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarShapedGummy 11,380 Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Okay, but you're not making any sense to me. Are you trying to say Hillary supporters also not concerned about this issue or...? there are some who are also concerned, but they believe someone outside the current political system; someone outside the gridlock that has plagued congress for so many of obama's later years in office, can help get things done. though a lot of people angry that hillary didn't win just point to trump as being a racist, so i don't really know . Are people living under a rock? Manufacturing jobs are being lost because of automation, not immigrants yes, technology has hurt jobs, and even some sectors. but there are some that are shipped overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chae'sBian Park 550 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Lbh yes Hillary cant create jobs, but so is Trump. Its not easy to suddenly create jobs everywhere, how many president said they will create jobs, but they never. Let see if he can bring jobs to his people. Well he can't, he will never. People are sooooo naive that they believe this man can give them what they want. He only care about his walls, russia, pu$$y, money money and more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athena 21,718 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Manufacturing jobs will inevitably fade. They need to realize this. Like said in the OP, you can't reverse technology. And no, it's not only because of racism/xenophobia/etc that Trump won, there are a number of reasons but you can't deny that it is heavily combined in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Dukes 122 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You do realize that Trump is a billionaire who outsources hundreds of manufacturing jobs right?? So is he trying to correct a problem he is apart of? Don't pretend to be a Hillary supporter please because Hillary supporters don't spout Trump logic. Did you read or nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solfa 7,163 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Another thing to mention is the lifespan decline of rural Americans. The problem is related, poverty has brought lifespan decline. This should not happen in a first world country. On topic, personally, I would say the best thing to do is to open businesses where jobs are needed. Have you noticed tech startups have moved to Silicon Valley? That doesn't have to be that way. Create the possibility for businesses to move elsewhere. Things like this will fix the nation's divide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rose 9,391 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I'm not surprised that americans bought Trump bullshit because we have politicians refusing to tell the truth. Instead of telling these people, America is shifting- it's easy to make it seem like banning immigrants will make the problem go away. It won't. It's embarrassing that some people bought this bullshit. Naive and foolish Trump's threat to put hefty taxes on Chinese and Mexican goods coming into the country would likely to sink the economy into a recession. It would make many items at the store more expensive for working class Americans and spark a global trade war.The U.S. tried this tactic in the 1930s with a law known as Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. It backfired, pulling the U.S. further into the Great Depression. Those who fail to learn history, are bound to repeat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryKoong 1,085 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 though a lot of people angry that hillary didn't win just point to trump as being a racist, so i don't really know . There are many issues that are plaguing our country right now, and essentially, we all care about them all: economy, jobs, terrorism, war etc. However, both parties have differing views on how to deal with them. We know Hillary's plans on the issues. If we believed she would fuck our jobs and economy do you think we would support her?? Trumps plans to get jobs back and fix the economy are shit. pure and simple. I don't think there was a need to even bring up this argument to be honest. As for his racist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic comments those are REAL issues too, that involve the lives of real people. It befuddles me when people really think Hillary supporters are just some rattled SJW that are chopped high on PC when you have cars driving around that say "N*gger depot" High School student's coming to school in the morning to find "Fuck N*ggers Trump 2k16" written on their lockers. Some people maybe informed about the issues, but if they're not a minority then they're the ones benefiting from Trump's America, not us minorities. So it's easy to look down on people who care about those issues when it's not affecting them. And I'm not saying this is you, I am just putting it out there. Don't blame us if we don't want to live in an America where we are constantly put under target and expected to just fucking accept it. I thought these days were long behind us, and honestly, it's disgusting. Also, it's not about whether Hillary lost, it's about what won. HATE. RACISM. PREJUDICE. HOMOPHOBIA. SEXISM. Everything that Trump represents. Do you think I care whether or not Hillary is really elected or not? Do you think it matters to me if it were Hillary or Bernie Sanders who was the democratic nominee?? No. I am a democrat and had Trump been running for democrat I would have voted republican. I just don't want that vile man to represent me or my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImAmazing 7,501 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Honestly the tax-cuts/breaks Trump promised aren't going to help the economy either. As the user said above me "Those who fail to learn history, are bound to repeat it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryKoong 1,085 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Did you read or nah Not even going to give u a real answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Trixbox 2,982 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 The cost of manufacturing vs Labor in the states is to high for any sane company to keep on. Globalization really killed manufacturing industry not only in the US but in the world. As long as there are countries that are willing to undercut and offer labor for peanuts, manufacturing jobs won't return to the US. What the US people needs to do is just accept the reality and lif they are willing, do the blue collar jobs that they are afraid to do. Or study the market and up there skills so that they can be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yooa's Forehead 496 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 clinton will cause a world war while trump will cause a civil war lose lose situation ppl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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