Why do people still deny Nishino Kana's success?

[DocumentaLy]

Since Utada has come back, there have been a few discussions on who the top female soloist is now. Some say it is Namie, but then others with a more realistic picture of the current industry say Nishino Kana. But this is nothing new. International fans have been downplaying Kana's success this whole decade basically, even though she is the easily the biggest female soloist to debut in the past 10 years. I'm just reminded how a few years ago when Kyary's career wasn't dead and buried people were saying that she was topping Kana (she wasn't). 

 

Do people not want to move on? Do people not want to look at today? Do people only want to look at their youth? Do people only want to look at what appeals to them as an international fan as opposed to the reality on the ground in Japan? I mean, if you look at the favorite artist polls that came out last year, this is the result for female soloists:

 

5. Utada Hikaru (-)

7. aiko (↓1)

14. Nishino Kana (↑14)

15. Namie Amuro (↓3)

17. miwa (↑6)

20. Kyary Pamyu Pamyu (↑1)

22. Superfly

28. Shiina Ringo

29. YUI

36. JUJU

37. Leo Ieiri

39. ZARD

41. Miyuki Nakajima

43. ayaka

44. Ohara Sakurako

46. YUKI

49. Taylor Swift

 

 

And then when it comes to ages:

 

10s:

4. miwa

6. Nishino Kana

8. Ohara Sakurako

10. YUI

14. Leo Ieiri

19. Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

 

 

20s:

4. Utada Hikaru

5. aiko

13. Nishino Kana

18. YUI

19. Namie Amuro

 

 

30s:

4. Utada Hikaru

5. Namie Amuro 

13. aiko

14. Shiina Ringo

17. Superfly

 

 

40s:

8. Utada Hikaru

10. Miyuki Nakajima 

11. Mariya Takeuchi

12. Superfly

14. aiko

17. Akina Nakamroi

19. JUJU

20. Seiko Matsuda

[demasta]

people are haters :/

[diphylleia grayi]

because shes shit.

[MimiB]

People always deny Kana Nishino success.I really like think people should move on and let new faces take over

[QueenElizabeth]

I don't deny it, I just don't like it...I think what she does is so plain...I've seen other ladies do it dozens of times before, I find it uninspired and frankly kinda boring...I'd rather have a female star do something unusual and exciting and sell 10K copies than something predictable and boring and sell 500K

[baiichi]

I remember my sister said that if you listen to J-pop, you can't not know Nishino Kana.

 

Edit: She has really been big ever since To Love. It was such a nice album

[ponpiri]

Was there a recent argument about this? I see international kpop fans bring her up a lot as their favorite j-artist.

[________________]

 

Since Utada has come back, there have been a few discussions on who the top female soloist is now. Some say it is Namie, but then others with a more realistic picture of the current industry say Nishino Kana. But this is nothing new. International fans have been downplaying Kana's success this whole decade basically, even though she is the easily the biggest female soloist to debut in the past 10 years. I'm just reminded how a few years ago when Kyary's career wasn't dead and buried people were saying that she was topping Kana (she wasn't). 

 

Do people not want to move on? Do people not want to look at today? Do people only want to look at their youth? Do people only want to look at what appeals to them as an international fan as opposed to the reality on the ground in Japan? I mean, if you look at the favorite artist polls that came out last year, this is the result for female soloists:

 

5. Utada Hikaru (-)

7. aiko (↓1)

14. Nishino Kana (↑14)

15. Namie Amuro (↓3)

17. miwa (↑6)

20. Kyary Pamyu Pamyu (↑1)

22. Superfly

28. Shiina Ringo

29. YUI

36. JUJU

37. Leo Ieiri

39. ZARD

41. Miyuki Nakajima

43. ayaka

44. Ohara Sakurako

46. YUKI

49. Taylor Swift

 

 

And then when it comes to ages:

 

10s:

4. miwa

6. Nishino Kana

8. Ohara Sakurako

10. YUI

14. Leo Ieiri

19. Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

 

 

20s:

4. Utada Hikaru

5. aiko

13. Nishino Kana

18. YUI

19. Namie Amuro

 

 

30s:

4. Utada Hikaru

5. Namie Amuro 

13. aiko

14. Shiina Ringo

17. Superfly

 

 

40s:

8. Utada Hikaru

10. Miyuki Nakajima 

11. Mariya Takeuchi

12. Superfly

14. aiko

17. Akina Nakamroi

19. JUJU

20. Seiko Matsuda

 

What's hilarious is all my Japanese friends say they like her loooool

I've had people go "Utada??? Uh I'm more of a Nishino Kana kinda person"

[DocumentaLy]

People always deny Kana Nishino success.I really like think people should move on and let new faces take over

 

Exactly. People talk about how stuck the scene is today, but then they're also the ones who can't move past last decade.

 

 

I don't deny it, I just don't like it...I think what she does is so plain...I've seen other ladies do it dozens of times before, I find it uninspired and frankly kinda boring...I'd rather have a female star do something unusual and exciting and sell 10K copies than something predictable and boring and sell 500K

 

The thing is though is that there are new females out there doing unusual and exciting things and not selling that much, but because they're not trying to be like Namie or Ayu or Kuu, international fans don't care. That just isn't the template to follow anymore. The girls that are doing interesting things are more on the indie side.

 

 

Was there a recent argument about this? I see international kpop fans bring her up a lot as their favorite j-artist.

 

It's happening right now in some other threads.

What's hilarious is all my Japanese friends say they like her loooool

I've had people go "Utada??? Uh I'm more of a Nishino Kana kinda person"

 

They also like aiko, but then you never really see her talked about in international fandom.

[sakurahanabira]

I remember my sister said that if you listen to J-pop, you can't not know Nishino Kana.

Edit: She has really been big ever since To Love. It was such a nice album

tbh I only knew of Kana Nishino because someone on Youtube made some mash-up of her song Motto with Sayuri Sugawara (who I was a casual fan of)'s Kimi ni Okuru Uta, which prompted me to check out the entire song. Motto was what got me started on her music.

[DMNDS&PRLS]

People need to recognize and embrace Kana success. Namie, Utada, Ayumi etc had their time,its time for Kana to rise and to continue to rise.♥~~

[SeeYaWithYou]

Did Ayu seriously not even rank on that list? Well, shit...

 

And yeah Kana's new music fucking sucks but anybody who knows what they're talking about knows that Kana is the top female soloist of today. People are never going to get around to admitting it's true tho. Just like how people still deny that IU is the top female soloist in Korea

[DocumentaLy]

Did Ayu seriously not even rank on that list? Well, shit...

 

And yeah Kana's new music fucking sucks but anybody who knows what they're talking about knows that Kana is the top female soloist of today. People are never going to get around to admitting it's true tho. Just like how people still deny that IU is the top female soloist in Korea

 

Ayu is DONE. I remember hearing that people are literally embarrassed to admit that they like her or Koda Kumi.

[SeeYaWithYou]

Ayu is DONE. I remember hearing that people are literally embarrassed to admit that they like her or Koda Kumi.

I mean Koda Kumi I get bc her image is pretty polarizing. But Ayu? Like I get that she's a huge mess in the public's eyes, but I'm surprised people aren't even willing to admit they like her for solely her old hits.

[DocumentaLy]

I mean Koda Kumi I get bc her image is pretty polarizing. But Ayu? Like I get that she's a huge mess in the public's eyes, but I'm surprised people aren't even willing to admit they like her for solely her old hits.

 

The now has basically overshadowed the past.

[diphylleia grayi]

I mean Koda Kumi I get bc her image is pretty polarizing. But Ayu? Like I get that she's a huge mess in the public's eyes, but I'm surprised people aren't even willing to admit they like her for solely her old hits.

 

They are, read netizen comments. Its all "blah blah how could the cute girl who did seasons turn out like this" etc

 

 

 

1. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:48:46 +449 -103

There are a lot of antis here but I like Ayu!

I went to this year's tour 3 times.

The songs I like are Memorial address, Last minute,ＧＡＭＥ,Microphone,progress,A Song for ××…

And more but I can't write them all but there are a lot!

Fundamentally I like rocker Ayu (^o^)

The tours I like are Rock'n'Roll Circusã€and POWER of MUSIC!

The first a capella of forgiveness on the POWER of MUSIC tour moved me to goosebumps!

People who like Ayu, let's talk about the songs, PVs, and concerts you like! (*^_^*)

 

 

 

2. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:50:06 [通報] +665 -192

People say that she has deteriorated, but the first person that comes up in regards to Japans utahimes is Hamasaki Ayumi after all

 

 

3. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:50:29 [通報] +310 -81

I am curious about what her fans think about her voice not coming out.

 

 

4. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:50:42 [通報] +522 -58

 

 

 

5. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:51:01 [通報] +86 -271

 

 

 

6. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:51:09 [通報] +361 -56

 

 

 

7. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:51:47 [通報] +383 -48

 

 

 

10. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:53:45 [通報] +455 -49

If she didn't expose herself I think she would be pretty cute even now

 

 

12. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:55:00 [通報] +611 -22

I like the songs she sold in 2000.

vogue, SEASONS, SURREAL, AUDIENCE , M etc.

 

 

13. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:55:16 [通報] +397 -96

People who hate Ayu please don't come to place for people who like her!!

I am inspired by Ayu and her shows! She's really pretty!!

 

 

14. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:55:19 [通報] +532 -89

From the fans' viewpoint is this cute?

 

 

 

16. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:55:48 [通報] +501 -40

In  her golden days throughout 2000 she had the charisma of a female high school student, and the things that Ayu has done and accomplished are already a cultural phenomenon! Various things are said about her but I think she is an utahime who built a generation â˜†

 

 

19. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:57:56 [通報] +501 -40

Cute

 

 

 

21. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 10:59:42 [通報] +213 -152

Because the current Ayu isn't much to look at

 

 

 

23. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:00:14 [通報] +286 -32

I sing her songs at karaoke even now!

I love evolution!

 

 

24. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:00:19 [通報] +132 -141

I bet there are people who are like "I liked her long ago" www

 

 

25. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:00:58 [通報] +375 -30

I think that it's obvious for anyone to deteriorate as the years pile up.

 

 

26. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:01:15 [通報] +70 -110

 

 

 

 

27. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:01:52 [通報] +116 -126

 

 

 

28. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:02:51 [通報] +338 -74

People who aren't fans don't you out of your way to come here!!!!

Can't you read the topic title?

 

 

30. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:02:52 [通報] +71 -145

 

 

 

32. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:03:34 [通報] +193 -49

She's cute~

 

 

33. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:03:44 [通報] +291 -46

I think that it's amazing that she debuted at the time when CD sales were hanging low, and has the number record for sales as a solo artist.

 

 

34. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:03:56 [通報] +236 -83

I love Ayu

 

 

 

35. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:04:08 [通報] +105 -99

Seriously!

Antis go somewhere!

 

I like this Ayu â™¡ Kawaii â™¡

 

 

 

37. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:04:51 [通報] +163 -118

I love Ayu â¤ï¸

 

 

 

38. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:05:14 [通報] +209 -48

I like Ayu! I like her from the past and now!

 

 

39. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:05:51 [通報] +396 -20

Now Ayu doesn't have the same vigor as before, but when I was in elementary and middle school wherever you looked on TV there was Ayu, and even the girls around me were all about Ayu! And it was amazing. She really had amazing charisma~ No one can surpass her so I really think that's amazing!

Honestly I think she has a completely different status than the current boom of AKB and the like..

 

 

40. åŒ¿å 2015/09/05(土) 11:05:57 [通報] +215 -38

If I were to say it one way or the other I guess I like Ayu.

[________________]

Exactly. People talk about how stuck the scene is today, but then they're also the ones who can't move past last decade.

 

 

 

The thing is though is that there are new females out there doing unusual and exciting things and not selling that much, but because they're not trying to be like Namie or Ayu or Kuu, international fans don't care. That just isn't the template to follow anymore. The girls that are doing interesting things are more on the indie side.

 

 

 

It's happening right now in some other threads.

 

 

They also like aiko, but then you never really see her talked about in international fandom.

 

LOL.

 

I'm also still LOLing at the responses I get from Japanese when I ask if they like idols.

It's like "Ehem.........." or "Ahah No"

But hey.

 

We judge Japanese people who stan Ariana and Taylor too.

[DocumentaLy]

LOL.

 

I'm also still LOLing at the responses I get from Japanese when I ask if they like idols.

It's like "Ehem.........." or "Ahah No"

But hey.

 

We judge Japanese people who stan Ariana and Taylor too.

 

I may not like Ariana or Taylor, but I get why they are liked. There's a difference.

[diphylleia grayi]

The only current female artist I listen to is Bjork nowadays. The other girls are just slaves to male producers and their penises.

[Cait]

As someone who doesn't like or dislike her, she has a... Taylor Swift vibe? I think it's easy to dismiss artists like her because her fanbase, musical identity and everything seems to skew young and not that mature. When I run into discussion of her on Japanese sites, I see people complaining about how her image never changes and her lyrics all sound the same, so maybe international fans don't click with her for similar reasons. I definitely don't think she's as immediately gripping as an artist as some of the more prominent Japanese "divas" who are/were more into reinventing themselves and consistently challenging new styles.

[onesnowyday]

It's sad that they still do...

as much I as like her, I do think that it's sad her music has changed so much from what they were when she first debuted. 

Being one of the first jpop soloists I listened to when I first started, it's sad that I don't get to hear the same music from her anymore. I'm glad she's successful, but I miss her old jams. 

[Midna]

LOL.

 

I'm also still LOLing at the responses I get from Japanese when I ask if they like idols.

It's like "Ehem.........." or "Ahah No"

I like Ariana though

 

But yeah, I agree with OP. I wish she kept her old sound though. sigh.

[DocumentaLy]

The only current female artist I listen to is Bjork nowadays. The other girls are just slaves to male producers and their penises.

 

Who?

 

 

As someone who doesn't like or dislike her, she has a... Taylor Swift vibe? I think it's easy to dismiss artists like her because her fanbase, musical identity and everything seems to skew young and not that mature. When I run into discussion of her on Japanese sites, I see people complaining about how her image never changes and her lyrics all sound the same, so maybe international fans don't click with her for similar reasons. I definitely don't think she's as immediately gripping as an artist as some of the more prominent Japanese "divas" who are/were more into reinventing themselves and consistently challenging new styles.

 

She's basic, and a lot of youth is basic now.

 

And why do you think international fans don't really follow aiko, even though she is the only 00s female soloist outside of Utada, Namie, and Ringo to still have success?

[vader]

enjoying living in the past imo....most int. fans are still very into utada/namie/ayu/koda so they dont really pay attention to her sad bc she does have some good songs

 

[Cait]

She's basic, and a lot of youth is basic now.

 

And why do you think international fans don't really follow aiko, even though she is the only 00s female soloist outside of Utada, Namie, and Ringo to still have success?

 

Language barrier, honestly.