What People Don't Get About Tiffany and Her Scandal

[Ginger91]

I buy SNSD albums. I bought Tiffanys album too. I would go as far as to say I would consider myself a Sone. And when Tiffany's scandal happened, I really started to dislike her. I respect her, she's a big part of my ultimate bias's life (Taeyeon) She had rubbed me the wrong way before but that's over petty things. When she updated her instagram picture, I did start to rethink if I respected her or not. On a separate thread discussing her update people were saying she should have waited until SNSD had group promos, which I agree with. It is bad idea for her to try and get back in people's good graces by herself, and I'm surprised SM hadn't taken greater lengths to protect her from more hate. But that's SM's fault if they didn't try to stop her.

 

The point I'm trying to get is that this scandal will follow her for the rest of her career, because imperial rule is a very sensitive subject and of course people will be upset about it, the same way people get mad about how confederate flags are still displayed in southern states. For black people it's a symbol of the Klu Klux Klan, Jim Crow and etc, just how the Japanese rising sun flag is the symbol of their mistreatment under the Japanese. When a Korean posts that flag they have every right to be upset about it. The excuses being made for her are unacceptable because she has been actively promoting in Korea for 9 years and lived there during training for many more years before hand. How can she not know know one of the biggest national holidays in the country where she lives and works? Someone explain to me

[Athenaeum]

You're saying what people have been saying for a while now.

[vocabulary]

You should've expressed this a while ago! Now the issue has died down, there's no point bringing it up again.

[Taelent]

I agree and disagree.

 

Personally, I think it's too early for her to be back on SNS. I was actually expecting her to be in reflection for the rest of 2016 considering how massive her scandal was.

 

She royally screwed up by posting the Imperial Flag on Imperial Independance Day (I still can't believe the odds of that happening lmao) but the issue blew up to the magnitude that it did because she's a successful female idol, and one from SNSD no less.

[Singsdoto]

[Mr. Phoenix]

The point I'm trying to get is that this scandal will follow her for the rest of her career, because imperial rule is a very sensitive subject and of course people will be upset about it, the same way people get mad about how confederate flags are still displayed in southern states. For black people it's a symbol of the Klu Klux Klan, Jim Crow and etc, just how the Japanese rising sun flag is the symbol of their mistreatment under the Japanese. When a Korean posts that flag they have every right to be upset about it. The excuses being made for her are unacceptable because she has been actively promoting in Korea for 9 years and lived there during training for many more years before hand. How can she not know know one of the biggest national holidays in the country where she lives and works? Someone explain to me.

 

Given the circumstances of how the flag appeared on her account and where it came from, this argument is nonsense, blown up by a group of attention-seeking Korean nationalists trying to hijack a celebrity's fame to call attention to themselves.

 

I'm not interested in their supposed historical grievances any more.  Any legitimacy those grievances had went out the window when these nationalists massively overreacted to this incident and began making personal attacks on a Korean-American celebrity with zero ties to Japanese nationalism or WWII atrocities.

 

Make these kind of arguments about a young Japanese singer who wears a Kamikaze headband and sings about forcibly re-establishing the Greater East Asian Prosperity Sphere...OK, maybe they would have a case.  Make them about Tiffany and they just prove themselves to be self-aggrandizing idiots in front of the whole world. 

[shocking blue]

Dude. We're not dumb. We KNOW what the flag means. We KNOW why it's bad. But we can actually differentiate a genuine silly mistake from a malicious jab at Korea and support of Japanese imperialism lol. Yes, the flag is serious but obviously didn't mean to post it, she either didn't recognize it or was careless and didn't notice it before she posted (for a mere 2 minutes). I can understand people being upset over it, my own ancestors were victims of Japanese Imperialism. 

 

And so she has DONE everything she should do- apologized and reflected. In fact, wouldn't any sane person think 2 sincere apologies, being dropped from a TV show, being dropped from a brand, being excluded from the Hawaii trip, death threats and ill wishes, insults against her late mother and 1 month of reflection is enough of a punishment of a /mistake/ like that?

 

You can complain all you want about how ignorant she was but she's done her time so it's now appropriate to move on. There is nothing to be achieved by bringing it back up unless you are advocating for a harsher punishment, in which case, perhaps do some reflecting of your own

[Hwayoung]

Dude. We're not dumb. We KNOW what the flag means. We KNOW why it's bad. But we can actually differentiate a genuine silly mistake from a malicious jab at Korea and support of Japanese imperialism lol. Yes, the flag is serious but obviously didn't mean to post it, she either didn't recognize it or was careless and didn't notice it before she posted (for a mere 2 minutes). I can understand people being upset over it, my own ancestors were victims of Japanese Imperialism.

 

And so she has DONE everything she should do- apologized and reflected. In fact, wouldn't any sane person think 2 sincere apologies, being dropped from a TV show, being dropped from a brand, being excluded from the Hawaii trip, death threats and ill wishes, insults against her late mother and 1 month of reflection is enough of a punishment of a /mistake/ like that?

 

You can complain all you want about how ignorant she was but she's done her time so it's now appropriate to move on. There is nothing to be achieved by bringing it back up unless you are advocating for a harsher punishment, in which case, perhaps do some reflecting of your own

[StepOnMeJas]

 

Dude. We're not dumb. We KNOW what the flag means. We KNOW why it's bad. But we can actually differentiate a genuine silly mistake from a malicious jab at Korea and support of Japanese imperialism lol. Yes, the flag is serious but obviously didn't mean to post it, she either didn't recognize it or was careless and didn't notice it before she posted (for a mere 2 minutes). I can understand people being upset over it, my own ancestors were victims of Japanese Imperialism.

 

And so she has DONE everything she should do- apologized and reflected. In fact, wouldn't any sane person think 2 sincere apologies, being dropped from a TV show, being dropped from a brand, being excluded from the Hawaii trip, death threats and ill wishes, insults against her late mother and 1 month of reflection is enough of a punishment of a /mistake/ like that?

 

You can complain all you want about how ignorant she was but she's done her time so it's now appropriate to move on. There is nothing to be achieved by bringing it back up unless you are advocating for a harsher punishment, in which case, perhaps do some reflecting of your own