♥ Right Now, Tomorrow, Forever, 소녀시대 ♥ The Official Girls' Generation (SNSD) Thread

[Carlos]

didnt get to see them enough = rant SM neglecting them

got them more than one cb & more tour = rant cus scared of them getting tired or SM overworking them

so much for making people feel satisfied.

sometimes we forget that the girls just human, not robot to just entertainment us

 

more schedule = more tired

less shedulle = less tired + girls can enjoy fun times with friends and family.

 

the girls complain too much in several variety show that they need more vacation (hyo say they only have 10 days off in 2010). soo im not complain that they appear lees in television compare to pre 2011. beside the girls are not kind of fame + money hungry either, let them enjoying fruit of their hardwork by spend more time to have fun and doing outside work (just like in workplace, u workhard when u being staff to get promotion, when relax when u already be a Boss/manager), so they dont have to promote hard like when they rookie, is not like there are any other GG will push them from the top in time being. So i'm fine for the lack of promotion.

 

fans should not be selfish, idol is not just to work to satisfied your ego, they also have their private live that they MUST to pursue.

[Carlos]

regarding hyoyeon, i there are possibility quite serious incident happened. (like hyo drunk and make mess) and SM quickly take damage control and covered the story (i don't know, maybe by bribe the guys). so i guest, no matter which one is the truth, everything will be fine, netizen will forget tomorrow. hope no journalist have much free time to investigate more and reveal the truth

 

ps: if it yoona or taeyeon who involve in scandal, God damn we don't know how would mess it is, netizen will blow it out of proportion.

[Carlos]

YAY for JungSis show (though I have to admit, Im not a fan of their outfits on the released pics......)

 

As for the Hyoyeon thing WTF??

I know Hyoyeon can be a bit unpredictable while drunk (come on that sounds like typical drunk Hyo ) but her friend going to the police for being accidentally hit...the fuck dude Ive been in proper fights (and I mean straight up physical fights with people much stronger than me and ive won) with my friends and I've never felt the need to call the police. Her "friend" seems like a dickhead, possibly just wanted some kind of attention/media story, hope Hyoyeon distances herself from him or makes him her bitch

 

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For the Onion thing, seeing as he tweeted he could cry......maybe its something to do with Taeyeon...*gulp* dati.......I cant even finish the word

 

taeyeon boyfriend revealed, and he is *censored

[Carlos]

People who blame SM/SNSD for dating scandal and accusing SM/SNSD for not carrying the fans because dating issue should just leave the fandom just like other FAKE SONES.

 

We dont need selfish fans who treat the girls like idol machine, who care more about constant release and soshi reputation (at top GG).

 

The girls need mature fans who treat them like human. Who support their private life activities such as dating, vacation, mariagge, etc.

 

and i hope fans will respect their privacy with their boyfriend and not to stir any intervention/speculation about them.

[Carlos]

Everyone blame Tiffany right now because she escapes from 3rd Japan Tour practice.

tiffany have the most hater in here, so i wouldn't surprise. morever, taeyeon just go back from thailand and jessica go to US to. So they are not practicing also??? they have their own schedule, including they own schedule to practice.

[Carlos]

^ 

edit: sigh.. Can't we just be happy ? Can't we just support the girls activity ? like how we support yoona & her drama. like how we support taetiseo. like how we support seobaby & her drama+musical. Plus this jungsis subunit thing is not even confirmed yet. smh

 

edit2: I really wanted to neg him tho. But my neg isn't working......... 

i hope sone can also fully support TTS like other member activity, i see different reaction between TTS debut/comeback with jung sis debut or other member activity, like how there are people who against jung sister unit (along with rude comment) got lot negs and many people defend it, but not that much when people have something against TTS (even it is from this thread).

 

i feel bad for those 3.

[Carlos]

i hope sone can also fully support TTS like other member activity, i see different reaction between TTS debut/comeback with jung sis debut or other member activity, like how there are people who against jung sister unit (along with rude comment) got lot negs and many people defend it, but not that much when people have something against TTS (even it is from this thread).

i feel bad for those 3.

well there are quite amount of hate toward TTS amount i-fans including in OH for a reason, maybe mainly because tiffany (and taeyeon) are the member who has the most haters (well more popular u are, bound to be more haters), or maybe fans are upset that their bias not include on sub-unit and start throwing shade to them.

 

and when TTS debut announcement, they get lot of backlash, so many sones are against them. Some believe that snsd should be ot9 or nothing, snsd are one, so sub-unit make snsd not one again, so sub-unit can lead to internal conflict and disband. Some other belief that SM being unfair to other 6, and too bias with tiffany, while other belief that TTS is selfish because they promoting music with other 6.

 

thanks god twinkle got massive success, and sones realise that they need to support TTS too because those 3 also a members of snsd. however, now still quite a lot people against TTS comeback. while half (from people who against them) prefer 0t9 comeback, half of them think is unfair that other member doesn't get a chance in sub-unit (however, is hard to make another sub-unit, most of group only have 1 sub-unit, rarely we see other group have more than 1 sub-unit. )

[Carlos]

It would be fucking interesting if taeyeon suddenly closing her IG.

 

She need time to out from this pressure and relax, and sone need time to realize that their stupid behavior will just make taeyeon more distance to them (delulu sone). we will never seen the true side of taeyeon again because she will be afraid of posting something that might be pissing those delulu sone.

 

after all she doing for sone, and 1637284628 post about she want to share with sone. Just 1-2 post make those delulu sone turn their back to her. I see this as taeyeon is the one who should felt betrayed by her fans.

 

PS: taeyeon IG is for taeyeon fans, and baekhyun is taeyeon fans, so there are no fucking rules to forbid taeyeon to send message for baekhyun as her fanboys

[Carlos]

when i heard taeyeon said  : all i/we wanted is to protect SNSD

 

there is 2 possibility 

-Jessica did something cross the line that can endanger SNSD as group in the future so the member was forced to kick her

 

-SM force SNSD member to kick her , threat them that if they didn't want to vote , SNSD will be no more, less activity .etc

 

i bet my money for first possibility 

 

Jessica said they kick them out without any "justifiable reason".. so what exactly is that reason ?

 

i still think SM kick her because Jessica use SNSD name to expand her business.so with kicking her out from SNSD ,she can't use that name anymore

for sone, jessica jung sooyeon is still SNSD jessica jung, but officially she can't use snsd name again 

 

Jessica jung sooyeon will worth 100 times more if she puts SNSD in front of her name

it's unfair of course, she was SNSD member for so many years and help them , contributed greatly to their success today

 

tyler kwon is the culprit who try to gain advantage using SNSD name ( they said tyler gaining investor using snsd brand name via jessica ) this must be  violation for her contract .. brand name isn't something funny to play with 

 

i think the only way for jessica to be back to snsd is if she abandon her business cause her business was build and grow because she used SNSD brand name and then cut her relation/contact with tyler kwon

 

 

which is i am not sure jessica will abandon it except she can prove her love for snsd like she always said in her statement

 

maybe this is also why taeyeon start to dislike her../ ignore her , because jessica can't focus her self more for snsd

..of course everyone can have , build their own future outside the group , but she will not tolerate it if it can damage snsd, yoona , sooyoung , yuri project themself as future actress,, sunny in variety, hyoyeon as dancer/  choreo and TTS continue as performer. it's all related to entertainment industry , which still has the purpose of SNSD , they are born as public figure, as entertainer..

 

what jessica will do is really different than other.. she want to build her own ( not related to entertainment )  company using SNSD name. 

 

you know victoria beckham ? she also develop her clothing lines.. BUT , after spice girls stop all their activity ( only reunited sometimes ) jessica renew 3 years more contract to use SNSD as tools to develop her own business.

 

so jessica are to blame ? not really .. she dreams to have her own fashion line and that Forehead use her desire for his advantage.. brainwashed her.  maybe taeyeon start to ignorejessica when jessica start her relation with tyler kwon..

tyler kwon probably only her business partner..taeyeon is fine if jessica want to have a boyfriend , everyone can have boyfriend including her. but she would not like if that boyfriend use her member and that member is foolish enough to be used

 

 

 

i believe taeyeon is the guardian of snsd, the best leader. she put snsd as group , as brand , as individual , as future beyond anything else and she sacrifice herself to be hated by a lot of people after making statement on TTS fansign yesterday , she basically direct all hate to her, from haters/ public and jessica's stan

8 member kick her out , but she is the one who gets all the blame right ? especially because of her leader position, some sone/jessica stan hate her and saying she didn't deserve to be leader because she can't keep jessica in instead kicking her out. 

 

 

never accused taeyeon as sly fox, she is the one who suffer the most these day 

then jessica is the wrong side ? no ,she is just innocent , innocent girl who live in this wretched world

deep inside, every member including taeyeon are still loving jessica,they love her so much until it hurts really bad

 

 

i will not post my thought outside snsd thread because it's useless.. there is so many non sones there who will never understand my thought , they never follow the girls to know what is the meaning of soshibond or ot9

we have same thought..

 

It is true that is very cruel for someone blocking other dreams. But lets not forget that in team there are individual dreams and group dreams. You have your own dream, and u must expect that your friend will support your dream, but everyone have their own dream to, and your dream is not your friend's dream, your dream can clash each other (individual or group). So sometimes we have to set our priorities. human have selfish behavior, if one member to busy with their own dream, just a matter of time they will forget their groups dream.

 

Asumme that if jessica actually priorities blanc than SNSD, and SM make it slide and being too lenient to jessica, it might inluence other 8 to continue jessica path and start their own business (as being actrees and singer u have to share profit with SM and not last long but opening a business will be there until u die and not share profit with SM). Is not that other 8 not capable to open business, they just restrain it in order to keep snsd alive.

 

Imagine if 9 women managing their own business, how on earth to manage their schedule so they not clash each other??? Its super difficult to assembly 9 person to practice and perform together.

 

It would be like JYJ, ss501, and bigbang case when they need 463757289 years just to make group comeback and im sure fans will be pissed of, sone are impatient and even cant endure if snsd only have 1 month promotion per year, so how it will benefit SNSD. And if every member of snsd have establish business do you think they bother to promote with snsd again??? (Individual income without cut to SM vs share income with 9 person and SM).

 

That why taeyeon means of protecting SNSD, if SM give free pass to jessica, they afraid if other member will follow jessica path, they busy with their on business until they not realize that their will start neglecting their group and SNSD will be disband for sure. Same like how we work on the group for presentation, if we see one of them is free rider because they to busy with their personal affair, we might be pissed off, but the bigger problem will arise when people letting this person free, other might thought "if she allow to do whatever she want, why im not doing the same???" "fuck with groups presentation, i want to do some part time job to make money, let my other member make the presentation, i will just come on presentation..!!"

 

Jessica is not wrong, especially when she just pursue her dream, but u cant expect everything have to go in your way. especially when u have other 8 member who has their own perspective (and dream) than you

[Carlos]

Lol ! And who exactly told you that ? Oh, you're just assuming !

Well FYI starting a business like BLANC needs years of preparations beforehead, management skills, a huge funding and finding the right partners. I doubt just anyone have the ability to do that. SNSD can't stay alive forever you know, so I'm sure if the other members could or knew how to start a business they wouldn't have hesitated, but they probably never thought of it since they intend to continue as singers, actors, models , composers, there are many other things they can do in the entertainment industry.

well,it might be that why SM and the girls dont believe jessica will success to juggle both between being snsd member and CEO. BLANC, because It huge business that consume lot of effort, time, and money to build up, and it very high risk, and jessica would be on a huge debt if BLANC fail. SM and the girls maybe was believe her, but they change their mind after seeing jessica struggle for juggling both. that why they decide better for kick her out so she can focus on her career.

 

and also if SM to lenient for jessica to prioritise BLANC and start slacking on snsd activity, it will influence other member to doing the same thing, pursuing their own dream that might be clash with SNSD. dont forget that seohyun want to be diplomat, sooyoung want to study in state, tiffany want to have singing career in US, taeyeon expand their parent business and sunny is the type of people who can be CEO of entertainment company. Question is... how will SNSD be if they start to pursue those dream NOW????

[Carlos]

I agree with everything you said but doesn't she deserve a nice departure?

Well there is a reason that we dont know why SM decide to do extreme route, however, Jessica is not "suddenly" being kick out because this dispute already being start since February's. I think they already give jessica ultimatum and jessica choose BLANC but jessica insist not to leave SNSD. Do you think SM can give proper goodbye if jessica insist to stay in SNSD?? She maybe think that there is no way SM would fired him because how much her contribution to SNSD, but in the end, there is no individual is bigger than company and SM choose the hard way. (this reminds me on how alex ferguson kick out david beckham from Man Utd). just like in your office, when your boss already fired u in a good way, and u still insist come to work and spoiled the team, they will force u out

 

Accually SM want to pull out sulli by making jessica as hiatus until everyone adapt to see SNSD perform as 8, then announce Jessica is not part of the team, but jessica is impatient and decide to make attack on public. Everything could be settle behind the door as long there no information leak to public. But rather than to negotiate close door, she decide to make a war drag everyone down including other 8. Now there is slim chance for jessica to back in SM after what happen.

[Carlos]

I agree that she might have a hard time juggling both her business and her idol career but what I can't understand is why the hell did they accept at the first place, as you said, Jessica can't take a step back because she would have to pay millions to her partners, and maybe they decided to let her go because they don't want her to lose her business but they shouldn't have fired her, there are million ways to sort things out. Still, I think Jessica was doing a great job juggling both BLANC and SNSD activities, she never missed any schedule unlike some other members who did for their dramas and stuff and still are (sooyounf for example who's not coming to SMtown Tokyo) , so no I refuse to believe that this was the reason why they kicked her out.

The answer for your question already in SM statement, SM agreed jessica to do business but after doing the last album, so she can have good farewell, however jessica broke her promise and start early and struggle with that, now when snsd on hiatus she can't set priorities For snsd, so how can she focus to preraring snsd comeback from recording the song until promotion?? So SM decide to cut her before she might held down snsd comeback.

 

and please to understand the difference between work for company and work for your own business. Sooyoung and yoona drama are work who they get through SM and under SM supervision, its mean that SM have authority to arrange their schedule, this mean that if there are schedule outside group, SM who pick them, so if some snsd member missing on performance, is not because the member want to, but SM who order them (because SM get bigger fee than snsd performance fee, so its okay for them to not perform), and they have to obey. That why SM turn down so many job for the girls because SM want them as can as posible to not class with group schedule. But different with sica as SM doesnt have control to interfere with Blanc. So just like in office when other company pay your boss to lend his employee skill, so your boss ask u to leave the office and helping other company, and is okay for your boss if u often leave office and neglect your main job because your boss already get the compensation from it. But for jessica is like when u open restorant in your house, and u ask company to work less hour and leave early from office to manage your restourant. Of course your boss wouldn't happy if u often leave early to manage your business, because he expect u to work that bring profit to company, not to your own pocket. And your boss can't interfere your business or ask u to leave your business, boss can only fired u when u unable to focus in your own job. Same case like jessica, SM cant force her to abandon BLANC, not attending the school, etc. But they also cant make jessica absent from performance because she have shareholder meeting or negotiate with her business partner or attending school in US, while SM doesnt get any benefit from jessica activity (and of course jessica still get share money from snsd group activity while she doing nothing), while they hoping jessica can use her time to make activity that bring profit to SM. So understandable for SM and other girls to make her to choose.

Edited October 4, 2014 by Carlos

[Carlos]

 

When Seohyun doesn't realize she's indirectly teasing Tiffany... and Tiffany's reactions haha 

Which composer do you want to work with?

 

i though people laugh because JYP if some kind of funny man, i just realize from this give that audience think that colaboration with JYP means with 2PM LOL..

 

love that YHY hit tiffany, as he can't hold himself about how clueless seohyun.

[Carlos]

That's not true (I can quote some posts to proove it)... I used to follow this thread but now I unfollowed it because I was so mad seeing people hate on Jessica and turning their back on her that quickly. I was so disappointed on some hypocrit sones 

but yourself portraying other 8 as the one who betray sica, and u several time dragging down sooyoung and yoona into the mud as they the one who often missing in performance (when actually SM who order them to skip the performance, not they have a choice to begin with)

[Carlos]

The faceless netizens(taeyeon haters) got butthurt I guess...   They'll never stop. I only like the bolded comment.

 

Article 'The Taetiseo' Kim Heechul, Advice to Taeyeon…"Don't look at Internet"

Source TV Report via Naver

 

 

• [+25734 -1344] Heechul-ah, if you're a true friend, instead of dont look at internet advice, you should ask her to please stop using Twitter/Instagram

   

• [+18488 -3432] She's already 8years on showbiz but she has no friend so she called an oppa from her agencyã…‹ã…‹ Her life has been a wasteã…‹ã…‹
• [+13787 -1683] Out of all people it's Kim Heechul ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+8557 -3543] That's right... Werent EXO-L cockroaches posting a lot of malicious comments about her dating Baekhyun???
• [+2747 -177] By the way..Isnt most of people you dont know their face also buying your album and make you achieve this position?...ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹What a contradiction. Just said to avoid malicious comments. It's a bit weird if you said people that you don't know their faceã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+2713 -347] She has the personality that girls dislike the most thats why she has no friend
• [+2583 -313] You posted a meaningful sticker of 8 people on the day Jessica news explodedã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ How old are you exactly? Why do you act like a middleschooler? Now I know why you have no friend
• [+2493 -290] She has no one but males around her
• [+2332 -279] She just put on a show to feel downã…‹ã…‹ã…‹What kind of drama did you shoot?ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+2178 -202] Is this really reality show?ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ There's no reality to SM but withdrawalã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+2206 -230] Why did the man and woman cuddle?
• [+1975 -184] What kind of drama is this? ã…‹ã…‹Cringe-worthyã…‹ã…‹ã…‹What do you do exactly
• [+1950 -203] Netizen: dont act sly
• [+1862 -158] Heechul-ah~ you also dont look!! You're also problematicã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+1713 -153] What a natural skinship ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
• [+1115 -64] Taeyeon has no close female celebs so she called Heechul. She also never mentions female celebs at all. It's right that she has personality that women dislike ã…‹ã…‹ Eventho you can considering she has inferiority complex, there are so many female celebs prettier than Taeyeon. Could it be she cant be close to them due to jealousy.. This is an ugly personality that only women can understand

   

 

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sigh....

 

today: taeyeon is loner, she doesnt have friend. even snsd members dislike her.

 

 

few days ago: taeyeon is evil bitch who persuade other 7 member to kick out jessica

 

so much contradiction in these statement

 

 

so how taeyeon have power to kick jessica out?? if taeyeon is that "evil", so how other 7 agreed with taeyeon?? so how taeyeon who doesnt have friends can persuade other 7? are taeyeon putting a gun to members head?? if taeyeon is the "evil bitch" why other 7 not kick her out instead jessica??? why other 7 not siding with jessica but with evil taeyeon?? are other 7 is also evil??? so how come other 7 doesnt get any hate???

 

summary: people just want to hate taeyeon no matter what eventhough netizen have to eat their word and contradict themself. they just used her as a scapegoat

[Carlos]

i understand why zhai be banned because constantly shading jessica

 

but puresica who always bash taeyeon and tiffany is still not banned?????.

other user with multiple account who always bashing taeyeon left and right in every thread is not getting banned..!!

 

the amount of hate that taeyeon get is insane, but mod are not doing anything about it, but when other get hate mod can banned user who constantly make war thread.

 

i dont know if dmn are taeyeon bias or not, but how come he get banned but other troll is still alive, i even still remember taeyeon hater from back then before baekhyun scandal who still bash taeyeon until now, still doesnt get banned

 

 

are mod is taeyeon hater??? please don't be bias! only banned user because they bash idol that mod like, but not banned user who constantly bash idol that mod dislike. no wonder taeyeon hate in here is never ending.

[Carlos]

There is no more OT9. There WAS OT9 and their bond was not fake during their dorm days at the very least.

 

It has been 2 weeks+. People need to wake up to reality. Jessica's moves during AND after the fiasco has firmly implied that there will not be OT9 again. Her choice and be reminded that her PR team has to gain her approval for releases of statements so do not use her PR team to excuse her. All parties have moved on.

 

Those trying to excuse their bias by saying how Seohyun/Yoona/Sooyoung/Hyoyeon/Tiffany/Sunny/Yuri could never vote for ejecting Jessica. Wake up. They took the decision as a team and the decision is done.

 

Personally for me SNSD is now OT8. Jessica, whatever she does, i bypass as uninterested. She chose to close all return paths and to cut the remaining members and not reflect on what caused it. To me that is inexcusable. Others may disagree but that is fine.

this.

 

It not a smart move from jessica or whoever charge in her PR team who 2x attacking OT8 on weibo and her official statement. Yes it work for make her fans thoring tantrum to OT8, and of course lot of snsd hater will join her for the sake hating snsd (look what happen in any news related to taeyeon). However this also make sone/k-netz non-jessica fans can't stay still by seing their fav being trashing by jessica fans and k-netz because of jessica statement, so they launch their counter attack by trashing jessica to.

 

Poor jessica, I understand why k-netz is easily turn their back to jessica.

 

The moment jessica decide to attack OT8, that moment itself she decide to throw away sone OT8 support. Sone OT8 of course pissed because their bias had been bashing left and right by k-netz (people call them fake, betrayel, bully, etc) because jessica statement, so they start accusing jessica as liar, selfish, etc in order to make their fav innocent. Dont forget that in snsd still has yoona, sunny, seohyun who has better image from jessica. And of course lot more people believe in them than jessica, so jessica statement will like like as she playing victim card.

 

If only she doesnt make reckless move, im sure she has sone OT8 support, and it would be enough to shield her from crazy netizen

 

EDIT: but actually, it like great move by jessica PR, scandal will keep jessica and blanc name under radar, because lot people who want to know the truth will keep and eye for every jessica move, and thirsty journalist and netizen will constantly make a news about her, bad publicity is also publicity, so blanc will get their free promotion. But still.. bad mouthing other 8 to gain attention is so low for me.

[Carlos]

i more curius with who will take jessica part, sunny need more line... she have similar tone with jessica

[Carlos]

some of tiffany haters are annoying  , let us enjoy the moment please

 

Edit: why i been neg??

Edited December 9, 2014 by Carlos

[Carlos]

taeyeon high note in ITNW give a whole new life     

 

when i thought she wouldn't any better, she slay me   

[Carlos]

 

Hyoyeon made the best Christmas video ever for us~

 

Oh, apparently Sooyoung made it, then Hyo posted it and tagged Yuri loool #SHY2015

 

http://instagram.com/p/wof87SKvst/

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Sooyoung and Yuri commented lol

 

 

Sooyoung's comment: [TRANS] I'm the center

cr. @jasminelep

 

lmfaoo

 

so tiffany is now part of the dance line       

[Carlos]

been sone since baby-baby era, but i already know them when girls generation song come out

 

this is the first video i saw from SNSD

 

 

i thought they are Band, but turn out to be like dance/vocal group, just like morning musume.

 

this video make me fall in love with them

 

 

time flies so fast..., maybe i was one of the longest sone in here LOL, been through black ocean era and gee are, such a memorable moment.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Carlos