♥ Right Now, Tomorrow, Forever, 소녀시대 ♥ The Official Girls' Generation (SNSD) Thread

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IIRC, SM has several stylists  , and in small teams. The head group usually does the heavy work, like the SM group currently a comeback, ( f(x) right now ) 

The other secondary stylists are probably in charge of Soshi right now instead of the No 1 team.

SM is a pretty big company, they probably have an entire department, not just one person dong everything to style all their groups. And they have a budget, so they won't have a dedicated team for each group, Soshi almost certainly share stylists with other SM groups, the same way the managers rotate between groups.

 

And , in their defense, they do have great decisions, the recent dream concert and most of the IGAB performance outfits were very good.

 

IMO then it is worse ,they have a TEAM and none of them has any fashion or common sense whatsoever and sorry , they should be fired.

 

 

 

 

The dream concert performance was very good for SOME, not for all. Tiffany I love her but she looked horrible, they keep insisting in

using high waisted shorts for her; which is not favorable for her figure and the shirt with naked shoulders; we have seen many times on

her. The hair makes her appears older and the necklace and chain belt ....

 

 

 

 

Sooyoung was better but I don't understand why choose a jacket with those sleeves ? the pattern has nothing to do with the concept

they were going for, and the mini skirt? was cute but alone not over the pants!

 

 

 

Sunny would have looked so much better without the necklace and the jacket.

 

 

 

Another thing I didn't like about the dream concert outfits and I think overall in almost every new set of outfits they have used,

the outfits of some girls fit very well ; while some do not, some colors go very well on some of the girls; while in others do not,

etc etc in summary, some of the outfits look like the stylist put interest and time while in others it looks like they said nobody has

time for this!

 

 

 

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lol she was at the baseball game so no that is ridiculous... once a tae fan your always a tae fan...

 

 

 

 

She is still Taeyeon's fan.

The rumor is: she used money for herself and to open Baekhyun fansite, this doesn't

meant she is going to stop filming Taeyeon ;more like she/he is going to run both fansites.

The problem is she/he was accused of using the money of Taeyeon's fans,  money that

fans want the fansite to use on Taeyeon or in donations made in Taeyeon's name, for herself

and other purposes.

 

I say if the money is/was donated by fans it is wrong of ALL fansites to use it for any other purpose the fansite

express when they asked for donations.

As for the pictures, videos, and photo albums sold, I think they deserved a compensation for the effort they make,

so I am not mad or find it strange IF they (all fansites) take some of the money for themselves.

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Speculation/Wild thoughts: I think one of the reasons SNSD is asking fancammers not to go to the airport anymore

is because they have been reading and hearing all the ruckus fansites have been doing lately.

 

 

 

 

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Sorry but FP is making too much drama over petty things. Jessture insulted many of the girls, Sunny fansite did

the same  (thought they swore they were hacked ...yeah, right) and now Halo did the same to FP. They fight ,

behave ,express themselves ,and spread rumors as if they were in high school and not adults; therefore I am 

going to treat their comments as I treat any other delusional crazy comments made by sones , I will ignore

their shenanigans and I won't take sides when I don't know the full extent of the problem, especially when

I don't even know personally this people.

 

And FP forgot to add that when the problems between Halo and her begun, people bashed Tiffany too, saying "how

can she be friendly with someone like Halo ? for sure, she has the same character as Halo". See how they omit

things so that people can sympathize with your side more.

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I would say defamation is a serious thing. Especially to something like a fansite. The fans of FP probably trust and respect it. If there are rumors going around (with no real evidence) it could damage its reputation. It begs the question of why HALO would start the rumor after some saesang accounts, which everyone already should take with a grain of salt. Not only is HALO hurting FP's reputation but then they had the audacity to call Taeyeon stupid (if that really happened). It seems like HALO's actions brought about insults towards Tiffany. Whoever equates fans' opinions and actions with how the member is is stupid honestly. Like this drama doesn't make me think less of Taeyeon and Tiffany.  

 

To put it in perspective-- If someone called me stupid on the internet, I wouldn't care. But, if that rumor took off on social media and then other rumors arose and now people are calling into question my education and whether I went to college that will be what employers see when they research me on the web (some employers do that). Then it becomes a rumor that is actually hurting me. It was a stupid rumor and totally false, but it has negative consequences. It might be a bad example but hopefully you get the point. Same for FP. fans could leave the site because they don't trust whoever handles it anymore.

 

 

 

 

Didn't you read what I said this is not the first time SNSD fansites talk trash?

This rumor wasn't even big until she made it big by making her PUBLIC long essay, that doesn't mean what she says is truth.

Because  who knows what they do with ALL the pictures and videos they take ? who knows if all the money they make

in selling fansites goods go to where they say? Who knows is FP is not altering the accounting records?

We don't know because we don't know them , it is silly to take sides in a fight where you don't even know the contestans.

 

Add to this who is in right mind don't believe fansites are not about money?

 

 

 

 

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Honestly you don't have to get snippy or treat me like a 5 year old. I read what you said. The only point I was trying to make is that defamation is a serious thing. You said, "FP is making too much drama over petty things." I was trying to make the point that someone is spreading malicious rumors about FP and it could harm the trust it has with its fans (or rather TY fans that are registered). It's quite clear that these rumors are going around--that doesn't need to be fact checked. Now there is a possibility that there is some truth to these rumors but spreading them without concrete evidence is still very wrong. If I were FP, I wouldn't take this lightly either. It may seem like something stupid but his/her reputation is at stake. Why would I stand by and let someone make these false claims about me? Especially when it's tied to something I do for a living. These fansites travel and are always present at snsd's events and help get things out to us international fans. That takes dedication and money. If someone was threatening that, I'd try to put an end to it immediately.

 

All I was saying was that, to me, it's understandable what FP is doing. If he/she did do what he/she was rumored to have done, then it's pretty stupid to take someone to court where such lies would be exposed.  

 

 

My opinion hasn't changed, FP took a petty little rumor that someone made of her and made this big drama. Since

the beginning which was months ago she simple should have said to the members of her site, it is not truth and this

person is telling lies but she let the rumor run wild  and you know what people believes "silence is consent".

She said she was waiting for Halo to write an apology, but since the moment Halo dared to talk about her is was

obvious she didn't care enough about her reputation or FP, so why wait for someone to decide what to do; when I can

fix my problem by telling my truth? why let the members of my site believed this rumors that they will go to such

extremes to accused me of fraud? The only reason I can think is because she likes the drama.

 

And once again this is my opinion and my speculation but I really would recommend to everyone to take with a grain

of salt what this people are telling us because again, we don't know them.

 

 

 

 

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You said to take things with a grain of salt but you're making assumptions like the rest of us. The translation says that FP confronted Halo behind closed doors (mostly fansites leave their issues behind closed doors. This is one of the few that saw the light of day). Halo said she would apologize but after 2 months, didn't...Rumors still spread even if someone comes out telling the truth. People will say they are just acting "too defensive". I don't think FP is being overly dramatic. This has been going on for months. It just got to the point where she had to address the issue. I mean her reputation is at stake and everything she's worked for. That's big, no?

 

Anyway, I didn't mean to change your mind. That wasn't my intention. I just wanted to question what you said. Offer another perspective (like why people think this is a big deal). At the end of the day, this is an issue between FP and Halo. So you, me, and everyone else can only speculate and discuss (but hopefully not take it too far because it isn't even our fight).

  

 

 

 

I think you misunderstood, It is because I am taking everything with a grain of salt is that I am making assumptions;

I can't trust blindly what anyone writes on the internet or take a side, especially when I see holes in what both sides wrote.

 

And of course people thinks is a big deal because FP made it big when she waited months to clear up the rumors. She

let the rumors run wild, while she waited for Halo to make an apology, an apology that if wanted to be given if would have

been given the next day of their confrontation. And this is ,in my view her hole in her side of the story, if my site and reputation

is breaking in pieces by hell! I am not going to wait for anyone to clear my name when is in my power to do it myself.

 

As for Halo ........ well what can I say? smh  -_-  I think is a real life lesson for everyone that you have to think before speaking and

writing. 

 

 

 

 

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I gave Lenalee account about Tiffany and up-vote and  somebody down voted the post!  This

place is full of haters. smh

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........exept for the fact Tom is gay and...

 

 

He is not gay, his girlfriend is Jane Arthy.

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SNSD- 3rd Japanese album out in December, 11th.

 

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rqcja8

 

EDIT: "The main single in the 3rd full length album would be 'My oh My' " cr:@.Doongie

EDIT: No hopes for the Korean album, it seems.

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It's not like they promote their Japanese albums so there is still hope!! 

 

LOL so true and sad that there is nothing else to do but to laugh.

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her voice colour yes, but the song was butchering her vocal chords. She couldn't get all the high belts and had to switch to falsetto often, and I could tell she was having quite difficulty in actually most of the high notes, except for in the beginning she did fine. This is going to damage her voice. I actually feel worried for Tiffany.

 

should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon.

 

I am tired of people always repeating the same thing, nobody can say he/she likes the way Tiffany

sings because there is always someone who say "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" because

they "sing better". And please, spare me the "I am worried about her voice" because this comment

becomes false when everytime there is always someone who is underrating all Tiffany's efforts.

 

Like when she was casted for Fashion King and everyone was "why not Jessica or Sooyoung?" nobody

has watched the show but the majority doesn't want to give her an opportunity and is always Tiffany that

receives this comments because I didn't read any comment from "Sones" saying why Seohyun for a drama?

why not Yoona she is a better actress; or Yuri singing for OST? why not ask Taeyeon or Jessica to sing

for the movie?

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Don't try to act you don't understand what I am talking about because is not about the talent that Yuri, Seohyun ,or Tiffany has

or the shows they are casted ,is about the fact that Tiffany always gets critique for everything when others get only support and

not one bit of "constructive" criticism.

I don't like Jessica's high voice and I have heard better voices than Taeyeon's voice  but you won't see me writing and posting

"constructive" criticism for them for every song they sing.

 

"also, we should end it here."

 

And no, is not going to end here because everytime I see the comments of "sones" like yours, I am going to keep

reminding you of your biasness.

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You are still not getting it , why you can not say I like it without adding any buts?  instead people like you always has to

add their "constructive" criticism and  "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" sentence. Why you and many in here

can't enjoy her efforts? when the efforts of the rest of SNSD never gets "criticized" the way Tiffany's efforts constantly are.

 

" you're talking BS that nobody in snsd except tiffany gets any criticism for whatever they do, because that is a massive lie"

 

BS? Show me when was the last time "sones"  criticized Sooyoung, Hyoyeon, Yuri,  or Yoona or the rest of the girls in this

forum because I do not post a lot but I am always reading the thread and I have yet to see this criticism you talk about.

 

Me not liking Jessica and Taeyeon voices has nothing to do with the shady comments Tiffany receives here because it is

my  personal preference and the most important thing I don't try to give "constructive" criticism just because I don't like how

they sing or their voices sound.

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no ones being shady. Were directly pointing out our opinions. I did enjoy her performance tvym. I didn't say that I didn't like her voice. I do like her voice. But that song was just over what she is capable of doing. Are you kidding me?all four of them get criticized for their sub par vocals constantly even by sones itself. Just because we say so doesn't make us less of a sone than anyone. Taeyeon get criticized sometimes for her sub par dancing. Jessica gets criticized constantly even by maomaos and sones for her laziness. Seohyun gets criticized for her sometimes lack of emotion or stage presence. Everyone has critiqued all of those members acting but we still enjoy their performances. Its not about enjoying them without noticing their flaws, because nobody is perfect.

 

Please, I have seen the shady comments and the up-votes in the thread of TTS English debut and no, nobody else gets

criticized for singing or simple existing like Tiffany is.

Taeyeon criticized for dancing? where, I have never read it ? what I have read is how everyone was praising her for

her part on IGAB. Jessica laziness is the joke of the fandom, nobody gets mad . The day Tiffany was being lazy for one

of this latest concert dates; she was bashed with no end in sight by everyone, "sone" and not "sone". Seohyun has never

been criticized for her lack of stage presence , her personality is cool and reserved in difference to the rest of the girls

but again calling her Seobot is a joke not a criticism.

Apart from a troll that was a Yoona anti practically nobody gets criticized for acting jobs because they barely have acting works.

 

Nobody is perfect , I know that, Tiffany is not perfect ,I wish you and many in here could learn that and enjoy the efforts

instead of writing "constructive" criticism or sentences like  "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon"

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you must be new here.

 

I am not, your "constructive" criticism and "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" sentence has

been repeated too many times and that's why I am calling out your biasness and bs.

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ohk, from that. Its not bias. Jessica and Taeyeon are objectively better vocalists, intact they have about the same ease in those highs notes. Tiffany's larynx shoots up after A4 or sometimes Bb4. Jessica's larynx goes up after C5/C#5 where was taeyeon's larynx goes up after D5/Eb5. Although Jessica's comfort belt range is a tone lower/shorter than taeyeon's they both handle above E5/F5 about the same, but still strain being present and still pinched where as Tiffany's notes are screams and has a much higher level of strain in those notes. Both taeyeon and Jessica have less intonation issues and handle their middle range with more freedom than Tiffany. This isn't an opinion this is fact.

 

There you go, I'm not being biased. Have Jessica and Taeyeon sing the same song and evaluate who strains the most.

 

 

quoting myself:

 

"You are still not getting it , why you can not say I like it without adding any buts? instead people like you always has to

add their "constructive" criticism and "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" sentence. Why you and many in here

can't enjoy her efforts? when the efforts of the rest of SNSD never gets "criticized" the way Tiffany's efforts constantly are."

 

And for what I see you are not going to get it never and all the people who is down-voting my comments are not getting

either. It is too much to ask for appreciation instead of  "constructive" criticism or sentences like this "should have went to

Jessica or Taeyeon" ?

 

 

I honestly do not understand why your getting so defensive... everyone has a bias including yourself which is why you are so upset over what you are labelling unfair treatment of Tiffany. I agree that the comment about going to Jessica or Taeyeon is unfair however if you were to look at it from an unbiased point of view it is logically considering they are the two main vocalists in the group and have the range to pull off the song. Tiffany sang it well but regarding the technique required to sing falsetto or hit the high notes consistently, Taeyeon and Jessica are better disregarding bias.

 

It would be the same as if the SM dance break had just Yoona and Yuri. Everyone in the fandom would be confused as to why Hyoyeon isn't involved considering her skills are at a higher level than all the girls. Sones would still love that the girls are present however we would all wonder why Hyoyeon didn't do the dance instead. There is no bs involved, it is just an understanding that the girls all have their strengths.

 

 

 

I agree with Bringthesnacksout. This thread has had its fair share 'bashing' as you like to put it of every single member. Tiffany is not the only victim of fandom opinion or judgement nor the only one who makes mistakes. We are not blind nor we ignore what the girls do, thats why we are Sones. Consider the relationship between Taeyeon and Jessica, the fandom has had several heated debates about what happened, fairness of line distribution and ost opportunities with subsequent bashing about the attitude of either. Being 'sensitive' about comments related to YOUR bias will get you nowhere in ANY fandom.

 

You've taken what Bringthesnacksout said out of context.

She did not comment on personality merely vocal prowess which is up to you to agree or disagree with. It isn't an issue to get upset over.

 

I am defensive because this is not the first time Tiffany receives  "constructive" criticism by "sones" , this is

a pattern from "sones" who are always hunting for Tiffany's mistakes.

I am defensive because Tiffany can't sing without anybody saying "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" ,

you never read this when Sunny or Seohyun is singing.

I am defensive because when Tiffany got casted in Fashion King many were saying "why not Jessica or Sooyoung?"

When I have never read anybody saying Yuri, Sooyoung, Seohyun, or Jessica should have not been casted , Yoona

is better actress those jobs should have went to her.

 

This kind of comments are the type of comments that Tiffany receives from this fandom , everyone who comes here

and read this comments know so. If everyone were treated equally or the majority of the girls were treated the same

way Tiffany is treated I would not making a case out of this, but the majority in here disguises their shady comments as

personal preferences or opinions . And if all of you like to have your opinion , I have my opinion too, "real sones" is

1 out of 1000 , the rest are bias toward their biases, anxious and desperate to write "constructive" criticism and add

 sentences like "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon".

 

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I can understand your point of view in that Tiffany's singing has been criticized before here more compared to some of the other girls. However, there are some differences in why Tiffany she gets more compared to a Seohyun or Sunny OST. The songs Tiffany tends to do recently have been more high vocal quality and more out of her range than what some of the other girls have chosen to sing. For example, Yuri's OST didn't really get any criticism because it was unexpected (at least to some, not me though) and it was within her range. For Yuri's level of singing, it was good. For this song for Tiffany, I don't think BringtheSnacksOut is saying Tiffany didn't do well with the song, but that song is really difficult to sing and it can strain her voice if she continues to sing that song too much. I actually don't mind she is doing songs out of her normal range and trying to push herself, although I do hope she doesn't push too much that it leads to vocal nodules again.

 

 

No, Tiffany is always is criticized and is not something that it is happening recently. For example,

she was criticized for doing 'Call me maybe', one of the most boring and less challenging songs ever.

And I don't think BringtheSnacksOut cares or likes Tiffany  when he/she adds sentences like this;

"should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon", don't expect me to believe you care or a fan when you

are writing this kind of comments.

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No is not wrong to criticized her, what's wrong she is the only one who gets nitpicked for everything.

BS if anyone read the comments in the youtube video of call me maybe , she got many good comments but

you come here and the only comments are: she "was pitchy"  "why did she choose to sing that song?" and many

other comments that were about her personal taste in music and not about her singing.

 

"that being said, we criticize Tiffany for doing things above her ability, but we praise her for her effort and ambition and will for such difficulty."

 

In what part of what you wrote you praise Tiffany for her effort:

 

"her voice colour yes, but the song was butchering her vocal chords. She couldn't get all the high belts and had to switch to

falsetto often, and I could tell she was having quite difficulty in actually most of the high notes, except for in the beginning she

did fine. This is going to damage her voice. I actually feel worried for Tiffany.

 

should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon."

 

Yeah right, Let's give all the songs to Jessica and Taeyeon we don't want poor Tiffany to get sick again, your transparency is

not even funny, you only added the "praise" after I told you that the majority in here neither enjoys or support her efforts. 

 

And let's not forget "sones" comments about the Fashion King cast. I am sure IF when Hyoyeon

was given the Topshop endorsement I would have said:

Hyoyeon for Topshop, in China, why? when I think for a model for a fashion line , I think Jessica or Yoona,

especially in China where they are more popular.

IF I had written this kind comment not only Hyoyeon would have been defended but nobody else would have

been so fast to agree with my comment.

But you know what it is OK but don't complain later when I begin to give "constructive criticism" to your faves.

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its not about that Tiffany should never sing. She should just not sing songs that are way above her comfort range. The thing about Jessica and Taeyeon is that they usually sing within their comfort range. I would not have said the same if Tiffany sang a song within her comfort range or at least within that relative area. I don't care if you criticize my bias. If you've been in the fandom long enough, Jessica was actually the punching bag within the fandom. There's nothing wrong with criticizing the members of your Stan group. No one is hating or bashing Tiffany, NO ONE HERE HATES TIFFANY.

 

IM BEING SERIOUS HERE, I WAS NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AT ALL. You got to see the logical reasons behind that post than just putting on your defend my bias mode. As for hyoyeon, you can't decide on the difficulty of a visual career, where as in a vocal career it is much the other way. Also, no one would join you because hyoyeon barely gets promoted, and its a nice change that all sones would like to see.

 

 

Blah, blah, blah, excuses , excuses, excuses. Yawn! You know why many are having the same opinion as me? because

they are tired of comments like yours . The hate exist, but is disguise as personal opinions and "constructive criticism". 

 

 

So nice, taking my words out of context. My comment about Hyoyeon was an assumption of what would have happen

 

 

IF I had written comments alike the ones you and many in here like to write about Tiffany, and you prove my point

with this:

 

"Also, no one would join you because Hyoyeon barely gets promoted, and its a nice change that all sones would like to see."

 

 Hyoyeon and the rest are supported , they don't receive comments like this: "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon", "she

is attention whore"  ,or  "she shouldn't be in the middle, she can't dance".  

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No, I am not going to stop because people like you don't understand that is not about the individual promotions

or time in front of the camera,  etc ,etc is about the fact that Tiffany can't breathe without being criticized and the

support she gets in her majority is from her stans and not the "sone"  fandom. If you are not getting this, you are

the one in denial, not me.

And no, I won't PM you,  I want everyone to read about the excuses that  people like you makes to undermined

Tiffany's efforts.

 

 

you seriously gonna pit the few vocal, opinionated people speaking their dislike about tiffany to the silence majority that's been with tiffany and snsd from the beginning???

do you want me to point out that in soshified, the be all, end all of international representation of foreign sones, that tiffany's section is just behind taeyeon in everything from discussions/topics, attention, spazzers, and anything under the sun from sones [of different bias]????

and you gonna nitpick the pathetic vocals compare to the immense love and attention THE MAJORITY OF SONES have for tiffany????

 

really??

are we that sensitive and privileged now in 2013....that the few people with different, stupid, maybe shady/bashing opinions of tiffany, represent the whole fcking SONE FANDOM???

 

i'll say it again...you guys can have all the disagreements to hell and high waters as you want...but putting down true SONEs, the faithfuls that love ALL 9 in the process, is stupid in itself, immature, and i guarantee, it will not represent well with SNSD!

 

 

The thing is, is not a few vocal "sones" is a lot of "sones" and nobody is putting down the "true sones" .

If you have not done rude comments towards Tiffany or the rest of SNSD, I don't see why you/anyone

else needs to feel offended by the way the word "sone" is been used.

If you are thinking about the way other fandoms may think about the "sone" fandom, you are little too late

with your outrage because it is already know by every other fandom that has a minimum of interest on SNSD

that Tiffany is the punching bag of "sones".

And yes I will keep using the word "sones" because the same people who called themselves like that, are the

ones who go around in forums, twitter, and tumblr bashing Tiffany or other SNSD girl that they don't like.

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LOL at people only blaming SM for the lack of awards for SNSD this year. Have you forgotten that many

"sone" this year joined other K-pop fandoms and trashed IGAB together?

Have you forgotten that the "sone" who liked IGAB were silenced and ridiculed by this kind of comments:

"shut up, you are being bias" , "your taste in music ...", "the lyrics are embarrassing, why is always oppa

saranghae? SNSD has more female fans, why not sing a song more empowering to women?" (this comment

was written tirelessly by the gay fangirls, they even gave an example of the type of song they wanted,

Miss- A -I don't need a man  ), "Thank god we are not in soshified, over there everyone is saying the

song is good, smh they are sheep". With this kind of endorsement who is going to sell? it is only because

they are SNSD that the sales are decent for IGAB (single).

Add to this the "sone" who hasn't bought the album because they can't find the cover of their favorite. A true

"sone" buys the cover available ;of course this obviously is not happening based in the comments of many

"true sone" who still are waiting for the printing of the cover of their favorite, never mind that has been said

that SM is not printing more covers.

So you can't blame SM (a company who wants money) for promoting the boy groups if their fandoms are doing

their job by buying in bulk the albums of their oppars and keeping oppars song on the top 20/melon after 2 months

of being released.

 

F(x) fans can keep up on wishing, they not produce the kind of money SM is interested. And before anyone says

is "SM fault" again, don't forget that Sulli and Krystal behaviors are not liked by the Korean public ,this is their

fault not SM's, and Sulli reputation is on the floor right now. As for the other 3, Korea doesn't care about them.

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lmao please, you don't have to be a gay fangirl to want variety and not have them sing the same oppa oppa oppa garbage.  It's called maturing.

 

 

Good try but no, this were comments from gay fangirls, I read them in the L chat and basically they were angry

since the moment they knew the name of the song was " I got a boy".

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um ok, but I'm not a gay fangirl and would like something different for a title track like Run Devil Run.  ia tho those comments are ott but the lyrics for IGAB are terribad regardless.  I just think the girls can do better.

 

 

I am not denying the lyrics were girly and in parts embarrassing but the gay fangirls

were out for blood since knowing the title of the song. After hearing the song and reading

the translated lyrics there was no mercy for the song or anyone who said , "I like IGAB",

which it was a problem because they are a big part of the fandom who buys albums/merchandise.

 

P.S : I want a dark concept too.

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LOL NO!! why would I vote for F(x) when I can vote for SNSD both times and make SNSD win two times?

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Yoona is looking so skinny, I hope she is getting a good treatment for the anemia.