♥ Right Now, Tomorrow, Forever, 소녀시대 ♥ The Official Girls' Generation (SNSD) Thread

[Sooyoung]

 

Serve, Queen of Pop! Yaaaaas!

 

 

Feel free to substitute this gif with one from my collection everyone, carefully created by a fan! 

 

That Sooyoung reign just won't let up!

[Sooyoung]

weak comeback tbh

Hyo's weave looks great in that gif. Serving such #Blackatude! #Blackatude2014 #JusticeForTheSNSDThread #StopCapitalism #LetSHYProsper #SuddenlyTheKoonsIsMe #ImNotAWanderingSlaveIAmAFauxFustratedBlackWomenOfChoice #Auraahahahah

[Sooyoung]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

IF THIS IS REAL THEN I'M SO READY TO BE SLAYED

IT SOUNDS AMAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING

 

It sounds like it was made on the fruity-loops 9 demo, as opposed to Logic Pro or Ableton so I doubt this is real.

 

Plus, I can't name one song instrumental that has EVER been leaked prior to the release of the song.

 

I would put money on this being fake.

 

[Sooyoung]

I was rewatching some of their performances from their early stints in Japan and damn they look so hot here. I especially love Seohyun's look/hair. Although Hyo's hair was a mess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqeqho18B3Y

 

The outfits are among their best. They all look superb too. 

[Sooyoung]

 

Spreading the #SNSDCurse.

 

Slay a wee bit, Tiffany!

[Sooyoung]

Sooyoung should have flashed ha'self, lit a blunt made out of a $100 dollar bill and then stormed off in ha' next season Versace shoes, announcing ha' solo single. 

 

Not here for the Queen of Pop apologising to mere mortals because her million dollar-purring machine needs fulfilment.

 

[Sooyoung]

Speaking of solo singles, I don't get why SM hasn't tried a two disk Korean album.

 

An album of nine group songs on one disk, an album of 9 solo songs, one for each of the members. It gives the fan base what they want, enables the girls to further establish themselves as individual singers within the constraints of the SNSD brand, as opposed to OST's etc. Plus, they are nine girls with differing opinions so it allows them to dictate the musical  trajectory for the group, if even to a small extent. 

 

Alternatively, I think a sub-unit album would be a good idea. 

 

This is a controversial subject in this thread, as we all know, but the creation of an album with ten tracks composed of one group single and 9 subunit songs, 3 sang by 3 differing subunits (TTS, the holy trinity SHY, JYS) would be an interesting album. Once again, this would fulfil the different aims of the group (TTS to have more vocally demanding songs, SHY to dance, JYS to attempt something maybe more mid-tempo, accommodating both vocals and dance). A comeback of this nature would help keep the girls and fan base interested in their careers, enabling them to garner more longevity and success as a group. This also lends itself well to the Korean promotion schedule. Activities would be split between the 3 sub-units as opposed to full group activity, enabling some members to rest instead of promoting while, between the three major music shows, promotion of each sub-unit lead single would be divided between them TTS for MusicBank, SHY for Inkyiago etc.

 

Just a thought.

[Sooyoung]

It's a pretty good thought too and I've always been one to say that TTS shouldn't be SNSD's only sub-unit.

 

If only you were managing SNSD, if only.

 

It's just a potential avenue for SM to consider. TTS are vocally restrained within SNSD by some of the members while SHY are much more advanced at dancing so allowing members to flourish individually and together within the context of a sub-unit's conceptual direction and group focus would only see positive results for the SNSD brand. 

Edited January 8, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

I also think that having those sub-units would also help to solidify SNSD's sounds; there full albums might not become so cluttered because they won't have to worry about shoving too many different styles into the album because that's what the sub-units are for. We could start to get more solid music that appeals to the whole fandom and isn't too messy.

 

This would be one of the biggest factors, for me, in wanting SM to pursue this. Each subunit would separate the member's skill set so that they can contribute effectively to what the subunit would be attempting to showcase, whether it be vocals, dancing and stage presence or a compromise between these. Not only does that make the individual subunits as effective as possible in showcasing these aims, it enables them to pursue the sounds the compliment them. 

 

TaeTiSeo are clearly the most vocally proficient in the band and as SM has evidenced, they suit a jazz-influenced pop sound, accompanied by soaring vocals.

 

SHY's dance superiority lends itself to, of course, dance music. SNSD have yet to dabble in a club sound, although their EDM infused gems like Gossip Girls and The Great Escape would compliment this musical direction, showing it wouldn't be too financially risky to do this. This would also be a good venture to pander to a certain demographic, namely late teens and early twenty-somethings, where it may be suggested that the bulk of SNSD's discography is out of touch with. An emphasis on a club sound would pull in further fans and interest and without sounding ridiculous, making the SNSD brand seem more 'cool'. Additionally, as a sub-unit, versatility is granted to them with a distinction between them and the overall SNSD brand being established, allowing SM discretion to delegate a more sexually-charged concept to them, something which would lend itself better to these particular members and the wishes of their fans. They are also some of the less popular members so a more sexually charged concept would be unlikely to hurt their brand, unlike maybe a Yoona, Taeyeon and Jessica subunit. 

 

Finally JYS are a smaller, yet equally accurate representation of SNSD's overall skill set: a vocally orientated member, a skilled dancer and a member that can execute both of these well to some extent, dabbling in both crafts. This could see a more familiar execution of a maybe untouched sound by the overall group. SNSD has songs which aren't laced with high notes that require belting but instead, these are reserved for some members while others contribute to a lesser extent vocally leaving a member to provide a more visual display of talent; dancing. Mid-tempos would be best suited for these three, catering to the member's talents, without leaving any of the members unable to effectively adopt this sub-unit goal. 

 

Needless to say that some packaging could physically separate these sounds, preventing the incoherency that has plagued all but one SNSD album. 

 

 

Yeah, I agree. SM wastes SNSD's potential, really. Oh, and the other artists' potential as well. I kinda understand why JYJ wanted out.

 

I like that idea of releasing an album, but with differing subunits. So far, we have only seen duets and solos in an album. If they can co-write songs, why not just make sub-units.

 

Even down to promotion, it lessens the burden on all members while sustaining SNSD's constant media presence. What about that isn't ultimately better for SNSD?

Edited January 8, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

Hm, don't you consider it odd that this year TaeTiSeo are slated to have a comeback when we are meant to have a new sub-unit? Looks like SM are turning back on there word.

 

TTS sold too well and will sell far better than any other assortment of members for a sub-unit though. I can see why they are doing it. However, if we used my subunit idea, it would get fans of all 9 member to buy the album, ensuring commercial success, pander to the sounds that the fan base want without resulting in a poorly created album while giving the public an overall focus point, a group song, title track.  

 

EDIT: Look at Twinkle's sales and the sales of The Boys/IGAB though.

 

Twinkle (Sub Unit Mini-Album) - Released 02/05/12

 

Total Sales - 180,388+

 

I Got A Boy - Released 01/01/13

 

Total Sales - 345,638+

 

or even:

 

The Boys - Released 19/10/11

Spoiler 

 

Total Sales - 633,750+

 

180,388/633,750 x 100 = 28.46%

 

So TTS only sell a quarter of what SNSD as a whole would sell so individual sub-unit albums wouldn't work anyway. For maximum sales and thus, maximum revenue and resulting profit, all nine need to be on the album.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

Yeah I'm not saying that we should have a rotational system anyway because it will most likely fail, having a two disc album with one disc dedicated to 3 sub units is a much better idea and saves the main album from being a clusterfuck.

 

I still feel like SM are neglecting their ability to actually obtain new fans. A club smash by SHY would finally enable SNSD's brand to accommodate to a social demographic who are least likely to endorse idol created music.

[Sooyoung]

SM prefer to play it safe; they're gonna keep SNSD's relatively girly concepts and only adapt them a little bit, but at the end of the day they aren't going to do anything extreme in fear of losing too much profit. I don't think we'll hear a club smash until SM feels like SNSD's current concept is waning in Korea.

 

I would generally agree but SM did release the 90's, urban-pop crossover, parody, 'The Boys' and the jarring, unfriendly, 'I Got A Boy' (even if it does have some of the sharpest production in pop music throughout the current decade). 

 

Maybe they aren't as tentative and unwilling to take risks as we make out. 

[Sooyoung]

I guess people like making up 'plans' and 'promotional strategies' and post about how they'd promote/manage the best kpop group to be... a better kpop group? Of course, picking the winning team in the league to make these improvements to seems a bit... um... pointless? I dunno. I never got the point of fantasy football either.

 

On a more factual note, PM&I's latest ratings look good. A solid improvement over two weeks ago. Looks like PM&I kept some of last week's viewers when Empress Ki wasn't on.

 

From: http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Prime_Minister_%26_I/Episode_Ratings

 

 

EDIT: 

Just for you, bitch. Edited January 9, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

"Healthy" is when you put those fanfics in a another thread. "Healthy" that is when you put all those selfproclaimed superproducers on the Ignore list.

 

 

My fanbase needs to calm down. 

Edited January 9, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

What is it with you? Every single time someone (namely @Sooyoung) starts up a discussion about how they think so and so would be a good idea for SNSD you always get so uppity about everything. Whether it's wanting more lines for Hyoyeon, or suggesting a two disk album with one disk dedicated to sub units, you always bring up the argument that "SNSD at the top and don't need any suggestions". Blah blah blah. It's just a discussion, nobody is starting a petition campaigning for SM to actually do these things so stop taking it so seriously.

 

I never knew Jessica wanted to be a lawyer :o

 

I am surprised this grown man can find the time to write such lengthy breakdowns of my posts almost exclusively, between writing such bullshit as 'A Soshi Love-Story', but I suppose when you are 'Victimized by Perfection' like our fan here, fantasy football - whatever that may be - pales in comparison to, as a grown man, writing love stories about women and who only care for the cash in his wallet.

 

 

 

Edited January 9, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

Hear, hear. I mean I've never understood why people write smut because we all know that's never going to happen. It all seems like a waste of time; doesn't it? None of it is productive and at the end of the day you haven't really proved you're a literary genius because all you can do is write empty sex stories. But having a discussion actually stimulates the mind and can help people to form their own perspective and opinions, even if you disagree with someone else you should be able to state as to "why" without just making statements that are filled with words from thesaurus.com, but actually lack a proper opinion.

 

Oops.

 

As for fan fiction, maybe the objectification of women in word form isn't actually bad. Maybe, sexual, degrading stories which are the equivalent to a literary abortions are okay because after all,

 

A fanfic, while it may be offensive to THEM isn't going cause them to fear for their safety.

 

Funny, that! It might make them feel uncomfortable, unnerved and self conscious but that is okay, words won't actually cause them physical harm!

 

However, conversation whereby we call out SM's stale, outdated management is unhealthy? Aurass must, with his expansive vocabulary and collection of sleaze to this name, be more knowledgable than us!

 

Here's a thought! Behind his opulent paragraphs and Third Reich policing of this thread, there is actually very little substance to his opinion because he is actually nothing but a fandom sheep. Although, with all his creative efforts dedicated to literary porn, he does have a valid excuse as to why all he can do is attack others instead of engaging in conversation! 

 

[Sooyoung]

I forgot to incorporate this gem into the above!
 

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/entertainment/2014/01/08/michelle-rodriguez-caught-kissing-model-cara-delevingne-at-ny-knicks-game/

 

So Taeyeon likes Cara Delevingne and Cara Delevingne likes Michelle Rodriguez and Michelle Rodriguez swings both ways. If a=b, b=c, a=?

 

Beautiful, right?

 

(cr: chinese sones! https://twitter.com/auratusauram)

 

Edited January 9, 2014 by Sooyoung

[Sooyoung]

If Auratus stopped writing his pornographic fanfiction (I'm not even going call that shit literature because it lacks the criteria for it to be even classified as literature) and stopped being a fandom sheep, maybe he wouldn't find healthy and light hearted discussion so unnerving and problematic?

 

Honestly, Auratus, you can turn the most simple of things into the most trivial of matters by becoming so uppity any time anyone actually suggests something that could possible be beneficial towards the girls and the fandom.

 

You kept going on about how WE are the fandom; I've said this to your before, but as per usual any logical argument seems to fly completely over your head and you absolutely ignored it, but the fandom are the ones who are signing SME's workers pay cheques. The fandom have a voice, if SNSD continue at this fast paced rate of musical digression, one of these days the fandom is going to stop signing those pay cheques and SM are going to have to do something about the problem. WE make SM the money, therefore we can rant/argue/discuss what we want as much as we god damn want to.

 

And if you have such a problem with intelligent, reasonable, coherent and polite discussion ignore it. No body is forcing you to read something that you don't want to, so stop being a dick when someone starts a civilised discussion.

 

 

A reasoned, logical, coherent argument. Everything otterrus hates!

 

 

Robert: Sis pls we're trying to get our picspam on 

 

 

My bad, sometimes I just feel so inspired by Aurass's poetic pornographic stories that I need to take to the OH! thread to spew my own derogatory, meaningless bile!

[Sooyoung]

New discussion everyone! What is the largest demographic in SNSD's fan base? 

 

Is it composed more of females and males?

 

We have all established that we have males like me who focus on the girls personalities or males like Auratus who fetishise the girls with derogatory, verbal porn!
 

Where else does everyone fit in?

 

[Sooyoung]

We have different definitions of 'intelligent'. And fantasy. That's plain to see. Getting on a fan forum and inventing an entirely new marketing strategy, when you know nothing about business (as shown by the TWO CD plan, effectively doubling the cost for no reason that would make sense to SMe (other than wishful thinking)) and calling that... what was it? Oh, right.  intelligent, reasonable, coherent and polite discussion? That? Let's just call it what it is, shall we? Sucking Robert's dick. You can do all of that you want. I prefer not to. Bullshit is bullshit.

 

In fact, I prefer to keep MY fantasy in fanfic, labeling it as such. I don't think I've ever denied writing fanfic and saying that it was fanfic. But fanfic ain't for everyone so that's where it remains, in the fanfic section, amongst other fanfic. A PG-rated fanfic section, actually. For porn, you'd need to get that from AFF. I hear they have all you want if that's your cup-o-tea. Or maybe you don't actually know what porn is?

 

You are a resounding mess.

 

Between your attempts to imply that penis-sucking is for the inferior, that homosexuality is something to deflect your lack on real argument upon or generally spewing shite masquerading as something God gave you on stone plates at the peak of Mount Sinai, you have given a fair few of us a good laugh. 

 

Your neo-Nazi attitude to this forum is laughable. Your obvious scrambling to thesaurus.com is even more so. Your regular appearances in this thread just to dismiss my posts is nothing short of incredible but listen hard and listen good, boo. That stale Soshified circa-2008 lipton is stale. The earl grey has been served. You are full of shit and can't provide any real opinions because between writing your sexual stories and running my fan club because it is either taking up too much of your time or alternatively, you just aren't that bright so stick with one, run with it and keep my name off your keyboard. 

 

I think he's gay

 

That isn't important, especially given my sexual urges don't extend into short-form internet stories for fulfilment, boo.

 

 

[Sooyoung]

This is why people find this thread scary lol

 

It is because of all the gays in it. They plant ideas in peoples heads and contradict the good Soshified Sistern rhetoric!

 

Forum ban them, I say!

[Sooyoung]

Exactly, now it's not even about the promotion argument but rather them insulting each other. 

 

 

I can insult Un con dish un al eee's chart performance if you would prefer, oppa? Kekekke.

 

...Also why don't you ever address the main issue I bring up: you're basically a dictator that thinks anyone who is negative about how the girls are managed needs to stfu and are pathetic?

 

Just wait until he brings up the racists gif usage!

[Sooyoung]

SM would have been smart to put the comeback in mid-January because TVXQ can't sell digitally, their fan base has little to no crossover with SNSD's and the rivalry for the #1 spot on the Gaon monthly chart would have prompted both fan bases to bulk buy to inflate the numbers and give me something good to put in the SNSD's sales thread. 

[Sooyoung]

That's actually true! I really hope SNSD's monthly album sales are the best so far.. I'm hoping for over 300k.

 

There was a 33% drop in sales between The Boys and I Got A Boy which people seem to forget. As far as I am concerned, a full member mini-album shouldn't be selling anything less than 250,000 and a full member album, 400,000. 

 

It is worth pointing out how The Boys after a month went on to sell an additional 100,000 copies while IGAB barely sold 30,000 more in its lifetime. 

 

The only reason they wouldn't meet these is because SM's poor management (issue with IGAB not being printed enough) or the music being particularly bad (which has yet to stop the Korean fans as of yet).

[Sooyoung]

The reason is the "Mr Taxi" version release of "The boys". That additional 100,000 next month (+ much more over the next months) are all the additional sales for the "Mr Taxi" version.

 

Your comparison is completely irrelevant and wrong.

 

The point of that was The Boys had far more longevity, that was it.