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I make it a habit of upchecking every Yoona post. She seems to have some really dedicated shithead anti's and that's just not cool.

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This is hilarious. Yet so true.

 

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Fany's jeans were already torn BEFORE the pitch. It's just not easy to see when she's isn't being embarrassed and adorable, post-pitch. Might I also add that those 'jeans' are hubba hubba tight? Cause. OTL

 

cr: Soshified Style

 

 

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Fashion King had two misogynistic male leads who really were spoiled little boys, and two females leads who were passive victims and NOTHING in the way of fashion. There was no fashion and certainly no king. It's like the script writer(s) had a stroke and forgot HOW to write. The characters are insipid, venal, weak, greedy and undeserving of any empathy.

 

A show should never rely on pity for the actors and actresses to carry ratings, but all I could feel, other than a dull rage at the sheer stupidity of the writing, was pity for the talented leads and Yuri. I could sense their frustration at the utter nonsense their characters had to speak and do, and the grand finale that comes outta no where just made me stare at the screen for minutes, shaking my head, thinking, 'HOW does someone who writes SO POORLY get a job in kdramaland?'

 

The ONLY redeeming thing in FK was Yuri and her English, just cause I love the girl and her English.

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Why you should stan Sooyoung: becuz she's a ninja. She can touch herself and no one notices.

 

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Nobody in Korea cares for Sooyoung or Hyoyeon though. They are perpetually ignored because Korean people can't see talent, beauty and personality on any level hence why "others" who lack these qualities are constantly paid attention to by fans over the divine Sooyoung and Hyoyeon. The injustice is real.

I don't know. The contrarian in me sort of LIKES that so many ppl are ignorant. Makes me feel superior that I see so clearly. =)

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According to a High Cut interview ~10 months ago, Yoona bought 50 Shades of Grey for Seohyun.

 

lawd

Gotta wonder if Seobb has 8 copies of 50 Shades together on a shelf labeled, 'Shit my unnies gave me. Ha. Ha.'

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Fany's Cali shoot, Sica in France?

 

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On the one hand, it's about the embarrassment of riches that we can complain and counter-complain about certain members and activities, how partisans of certain members gripe and maneuver for advantage, seeing competition and choice WITHIN the group, when the group is what's made them what they are to this point. Yes, your bias is special, yes your bias is wonderful and deserving and so plainly under-appreciated and ill-used and so very special. Yes. I agree. Absolutely.

 

But it's not beyond the pale to also note that because your bias is in a successful group, a group that has soared nationally and internationally, that we have such a wealth of opportunity to cherry pick our complaints.

 

I guess what I'm saying is, calm your tits, smile and say, "Thank you, girls, for shining so brightly that we can complain about seeing spots all the time."

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internet fandom. doin it wrong.

 

yes, let's never vote in that stupid popdust anything ever again. it's beyond stupid.

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I don't think any of US need to worry about Yuri's weight and body. She's a master at making it do what she wants it to do and the exploratory process makes for riveting visuals.

 

Also, because... bigger pictures are better? You know, so we can follow along with her journey.

 

 

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Ask yourself WHY would SMe/UMJ NOT be pushing SJJD all over Japan. More than they have. Could it be that anti-Korean sentiment makes being in a Japan a bit of a controversial shit pot? The Hallyuwave is dead in the water in Japan, and into that mess, toss SJJD wholly? Immersion? Like Tohoshinki who have a much longer history and stronger fanbase and acceptance AS Japanese artists (sorta)?

 

Yes, there is an element of shit or get off the toilet, but hey, explosive toilets make for nervous sphincters. Get it wrong and you can lose your ass.

 

The takeaway though? People are accusing SMe and UMJ of NOT wanting to make money... really. Really? Cause that makes perfect sense?

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The first ep of Dating Agency: Cyrano looked very promising. It's NOT cliche, which is just awesome. Maybe that's TvN? Reply 1997 wasn't the typical rehashed to nausea plot structure either. The brotherly angst and histrionics of 3rd Hospital were sort of typical and overdone. Sooyoung's eps of 3rd H were really the only reason to watch it, but THIS drama, Cyrano, with Soo as the main and only female lead (which basically means she'll be in most of the shots of every ep) has me really anticipating how it'll go. It's off to a very fresh, very fun, comedic and intriguing start. The bit where Soo brains herself, a split second of physical comedy, but deftly done. She's a natural talent, speaker and actress.

AND Soo looks amazing, yes, even her bangs aren't terrible.

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I believe that most of you here already watched Sooyoung's drama I already know Sooyoung is one of few idols who can act and she is the best out of all SNSD members but after finished the 1st ep yesterday, not just her acting improved A LOT! but it's just beyond my expectation! no wonder my tlist moved so fastttttt when her drama aired, now people keep talking about how awesome the drama and Sooyoung's acting is!

 

Here is some sample, as you can see, even this mature Yoona fans support Sooyoung and think Sooyoungie is BETTER actress than Yoona    those Yoona-biased from previous pages who defended Yoona from Yoona's vs Sooyoung's acting are so embarrassed    are they even know what acting is? Even Yoona fans admit that she can't cry naturally for the goddess sake and that is her weakness that never seem to be resolved. Act as lead actress but can't do the basic simple thing like crying?

 

Sory if my comment offend some Yoona fans here, I know there are not much but still hope you are not to biased, too supportive and accept opinion from others

I'm pretty sure backing up your opinion with random tweets gets you the... what? The well-researched netizen burp award? WTF? Dude, Sooyoung can act. I don't think anyone here is going to argue that. And she's got a fun drama with Cyrano and everyone here is happy for her. But your blather? It does nothing for you or her or... well, anybody. Saying Yoona can't cry? Quoting a 'yoona fan' as proof? Wut? Really? That's not, I think my dog thinks Yoona CAN cry convincingly, so, there's that as a counter-argument.

 

FFS, I'm happy for Sooyoung. I'm not so happy that her partisan (you) seems to be an idiot. But you know, Soo is very tolerant and accepting, so it'll probably be fine.

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Soshified is like the landing zone places on cruise ship stops. It provides the basic trinkets, translated supplies, giving a sense of being somewhere new while being safe to those new fans. So they can explore via guided tour bus, holding hands with the other kids. It is bewildering, especially the language and culture, and having a sense of not being alone in this strange new thing called k-pop fandom is a good thing.

 

And if along the way they want to ask 'Who looked best in a tee shirt?' Then... oh, well.

 

That's not Soshified's fault so much as it is the dumbass tourists who clog the streets dockside, never shuffling past the souvenir shops.

 

I think SSF provides a valuable service, and for sure SSF subs did wonders for the girls' international presence. Those fans who want more snark in their fandom will end up elsewhere for the main part. I personally still visit SSF regularly... but just for the fanfic.

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I don't much care for stereotypes, but in my personal experience, THIS seems to be very true:

 

This also explains (along with all the professional skin care the girls get) why the girls look the same sometimes as their pre-debut selves and why we can look forward to 30's GG being as sexy as they wanna be.

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I hope she doesnt get trouble for posting it..

 

Basically she's saying dog is above human. I just hope nobody (esp k-netz) didnt think of anything to bash her..

 

I do feel a bit offended when she said Ginger is better than human which is me....... but since I get or know why she feel like that, in the end I feel sorry for her..

Did you really just go there? She's saying that Ginger waits patiently, without fuss, liking her, waiting for her and that THAT is better behavior than some people can muster self control for. How you get that she thinks a dog is better than YOU from that, I have no idea. Unless you have stalker tendencies, this isn't aimed at YOU, mmkay?

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And an especial note to MEN or BOYS. YOU may just be spazzing and happy and excited, but be careful that you don't appear threatening to the girls when approaching them when they are without their managers / guards. They don't know you from a rapist when they're outside, on vacation and they're feeling exposed. Be aware that your enthusiasm can easily be misunderstood. DO NOT scare the girls if you care at all about them. Maintain sanity, eh?

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What's funny is that some people are all up in arms about this, yet no one cares when fans take photos of the girls at the airport even if the girls look insanely tired after trips across Asia and are clearly tired and annoyed.

 

Respect the girls in all aspects if you're going to throw that word around.

Not that I'm a fan of bad airport pics (and the stalkerish antics of fan cafe unnirs), but there is a difference to the girls when they have their security / managers and when they don't. When THEY feel they're not safe, it's a much worse thing for them than a bad picture. Taeyeon wouldn't have posted about it if she wasn't SERIOUSLY bothered / angered by whatever the overly enthused fanboy did. If it was enough to scare her then anger at being scared would follow and for her to say this, yeah, I'm gonna go with, 'She was PISSED.'

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Especial men because they might think you're rapists. Lol ok. Thanks. 

Context? Cause that's important. WITHOUT their managers or security around, anyone NOT respecting their personal space is a potential threat. Hell, even on stage Taeyeon had the treat of being accosted by a crazy dude, remember that? Now, NOT on stage, no security, no manager but there IS a male 'fan' who won't take no for an answer? What's her worst fear? WHY DOES SHE HAVE EVEN HAVE TO FEAR A FAN? If you think this is a laughing matter, you need to grow up.

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I think the point is not that Fans are not allowed to take a picture on airport or other event or fanart, fanfic etc. Because it's impossible since they're celebrity they're artist and that's one of the risk. But it was more to how this fandom is exaggerating some 'little things' who actually is going on and or already happened before. The different is just because Taeyeon said it on her beautifully sad words and since people already know what kind of person Taeyeon is. So they think it really is important to talk bout and Judging dem fans hard because of this 'incident'.

And people fail to see other members who already give warnings both from said it directly or with acts.

 

It actually is not necessary to have this kind of discussion since we sure will forgot this incident in no time and did the same thing, and then brag about it again later when it happened again.

 

Did you people not know why Taeyeon to choose that kind of sentences and not directly said it?? For me it was because she KNEW. She knew that whatever it is she/other girls say some people will always don't care and repeat things again and again. It's pointless for you people to mad here on forum or twitter or othrr SNS, and asking people to respect their privacy just because you have more follower like some of them did just now bec They DO NOT CARE or maybe they'll forgot later when they meet them irl.

 

"... maybe they'll forget later when they meet them irl?" And maybe they won't. Maybe a few people, every time this issue comes around, will take notice and decide to not try to sneak into the girls' hotels, or wait for them and then scream demands for autographs when they're trying to grab a bite to eat or shop or anything in public. Maybe a few more people will wave off their friends when the idea comes up to chase after the girls. Maybe? It could happen, couldn't it?

 

The reason THIS is important, the reason it HAS to be belabored and not thrown out with the bathwater is not that Taeyeon was angered by an idiot fanboy. This was NOT annoyance. WHY was she angry? We know her first instinct is to be understanding of fans, but whatever happened, it crossed the line of acceptable or even sort-of-unacceptable behavior. It was NOT okay. She was moved to say something in disgust and botheration and that tells of a serious worry. This goes beyond an instagram comment, this goes beyond a Chinese fan shoving TaeNy into her face. This, I'm pretty sure, given her comment, was unacceptable behavior that made her worry for her or Fany's safety.

 

The girls are not above being friendly to the fans when they have the wherewithal to do so. But whatever happened crossed a BIG line and THIS SHOULD BE NOTED BY THE FANDOM AS UNACCEPTABLE. PERIOD. There's nothing smarmy or world weary about a 'fan' scaring one of the girls. This should be cause for some self-examination if anything. Screaming 'LET ME LOVE YOU' with arms wide and running at them, even if you mean it? Probably not a good idea.

 

TL,DR:

If you see one of the girls WITHOUT her security, keep a distance, don't scare her.

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My last post on this.

 

I read a quote once that really made me re-think how women looked at men. This was in relation to how women differ from men when going out on a date.

 

“Most men fear getting laughed at or humiliated by a romantic prospect while most women fear rape and death.†
― Gavin de Becker, The Gift of Fear: Survival Signals That Protect Us from Violence

 

Quite an eye opener, no? 

 

If this quote has the slightest chance of being true, even if you're a man who has never imagined committing rape, indeed, if you are a man who is purely disgusted and horrified by the very thought, STILL, being aware that THAT is how a woman who does not know you will possibly view you SHOULD alter the way you carry yourself around a woman when in a situation where she is not feeling secure. As a man, it is your DUTY to allay her fears by not contributing to them.

 

And this also bears on male fans and female idols, yeah? Yeah.

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As amber oppa said, you can't condemn this and then openly defend some of the really creepy fanfics that come out of this fandom and the airport culture in general, You would also think the girls get just as offended when they see a picture of themselves forcing their tongue down their friend's throat. So you gotta be consistent with what you condemn or dislike and not just accept certain things just because they are the status quo.

 

The girls know about the fanfic culture. Like with the fanservice they give out in concerts, they (and SMe and every other mngmnt agency) encourage fans to buy into the fantasy as a way of becoming emotionally invested. Not to say that there aren't some utterly repulsive examples of dreck out there (AFF, m'lookin at you) that manage to nauseate more than entertain, still, fanfic as a way of extending the fandom experience, while it may not be your cup-of-tea, does have a place in the fandom in general.

 

And airports ARE another venue for the girls to put on a public face. Them dressing to the 9's for 'Airport Fashion' is a thing. They get dressed up, go to the airport, get photographed THEN change into something comfortable before boarding the plane. That's them acknowledging the airport fashion scene and using it as one more opportunity to be seen by their adoring public.

 

What ISN'T jake is when they obviously don't want to be photographed and hassled. When their faces are bare, hoodies up, running AWAY from the cameras. This would seem obvious.

 

As you say, a problem arises when the fan can't separate from the fantasy. When shipping a couple becomes a mental reality. When getting that pic to upload to a fansite or the twitterverse becomes more important than what the girls' want.

 

And yes, both genders CAN do things that are annoying and against the girls' wishes. Fans can be rude, selfish and an annoyance to them and this won't stop anytime soon.  A lot of times they will smile and wave and sign things and put up with being an idol when they really don't want to. When they just want to get home and sleep. A burden of idolhood? They knew what they were getting into? Yeah. Okay. Fine. Yes.

 

But the REAL problem comes from how the girls feel about it. Annoyance isn't fear. Irritability isn't a worry for their safety. Worrying about an unflattering picture isn't fear of personal bodily harm.

 

A poorly controlled airport mob. Some random ahjusshi chasing Sica up the stairs of her dorm and trying to open the door? Some whackjob in a funny hat demanding things right outside of their dressing room? Some dude ruining their vacation? These are instances where the girls have every right to fear and this is WAY more important an issue and deserving of condemnation and awareness than an unflattering pic or badly written smut.

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This.

 

As I stated myself, you can't defend one element and then fully support something else just because you either like to partake in it yourself or it's the status quo and readily accepted. You have to be consistent. You really think these girls like to go online and see themselves portrayed in dominating sexual positions with the individual sitting next to them? You really think these girls enjoy being pushed on and around at airports when they are probably dead tired and mentally spent? Just because they accept it as a reality of their job doesn't mean it's right. Just because many members of the fandom participate, doesn't mean it's right.

 

And you are entirely missing the point of my point.

 

A fanfic, while it may be offensive to THEM isn't going cause them to fear for their safety. Neither is an unflattering bare-faced pic. An uncontrolled mob where there is insufficient security, a man waiting outside of their dorm in the rain, a 'fan' sneaking through security so that he can accost them right outside of their dressing room, a 'fan' demanding whatever it was he did while they didn't have security around them while they are on vacation CAN make them feel directly threatened. There is no equivalency here. One is FEAR, the other is possibly 'oogie.'

 

And about that 'oogie.'

 

Being an idol means facing up to the their public. They didn't create the fanfic culture. They didn't create saesangs or papparazzi or airport fashion, but THEY choose to utilize elements of the more unsavory side of idolhood in order to more deeply involve their fandom. They do this, fully aware of how it's going to be taken. And imagined into.

 

 

Tsk, tsk, Sooyoung. That doesn't look very Christian. *sarcasm*

 

Look, they are entertainers. They are smart and aware. They knows what THIS does to certain elements of the fandom.

 

 

But it's only that. Entertainment.

 

Some people are more delusional than others. People who can't separate the entertainment from reality. But the girls know about that too. As long as a certain line isn't crossed, and that line is about their personal sense of SAFETY. 

 

Taeyeon didn't write a comment on her instagram because of an unflattering pic or a particularly offensive rape smut that she read up on AFF while she was bored. Hopefully the girls avoid crap like that like the plague. Or maybe just read it for the giggles. (And Korean language smuts? Even worse than what you'll find on AFF. They know it exists.)

 

Taeyeon wrote a comment about a fan who made her feel threatened, a fan who wouldn't respect her personal space. A fan who wouldn't take 'no' for an answer. That's the issue. THAT is what it takes for Taeyeon to speak out to the fandom.