♥ Right Now, Tomorrow, Forever, 소녀시대 ♥ The Official Girls' Generation (SNSD) Thread

[nox111]

There still could be a Korean comeback! Why would Sooyoung mention a Japanese album at a Korean event? They don't even promote the Japanese albums anymore.

 

that's a bit exaggerated, they haven't been promoting their album-less singles (previously Love and Girls and Galaxy Supernova).

 

but they DID actually do promotions (including going on Japanese music programs, which is the primary promotional complaint ppl have been throwing at them) for Papparazzi and Oh!/All My Love Is For You, which were the main 2 singles they promoted off their 2nd album (Flower Power kind of got neglected no matter how you look at it, complete with a LE-only physical release in a market that's still over 80% physical sales).

 

so who knows, but based on track record they'll probably being doing more promotion, possibly even JP music program appearances, for My Oh My.  and iirc, they've always done end of year events in Japan since they debuted there, which would line up with a Dec 11th release date.

[nox111]

"sones never bash Taeyeon, Jessica, or Yoona!!"

 

i'm not sure what's worse.

even if Tiffany gets all the bitching from SNSD fandom, at least those are still ultimately her fans.

 

Taeyeon/Jessica/Yoona have pretty much been the flame shields for the entire group against every other fandom out there since their debut.  and are still SNSD's main resident punching bags for all other k-fandoms to this day.

 

fortunately for their sanity, all the members have said in interviews they barely read any of the crap on the internet one way or the other.

[nox111]

f(x) stans on multiple social media websites have been asking SONES for a favor.

i hate to be the negative nancy towards fanbase sisterhood and collaboration, but the problem is i'm not sure how sones are suppose to help them.

neither of those 2 awards are determined by vote (purely).

 

f(x) fans are trying really hard to have f(x) beat SNSD in the public poll, but they seem to have forgotten that the poll counts for only 20% of the criteria for that award (and only 10% for the dance group award).

the other 80-90% of the judging criteria is pretty much supposed to be all various measurements of commercial performance for the year.  something f(x) can't beat SNSD at.

 

none of the girl groups can.

 

that's kind of the kicker (and probably a big reason why sones in large haven't been turning out that strongly for SNSD in the MAMA voting).  unless MAMA pulls another one of their questionable victories, SNSD won both those awards the minute they were nominated for them.  as far as girl groups are concerned, SNSD buried them all this year (not to mention burying most of the boy bands along the way).

 

so even if sones help f(x) and vote for them, we can't actually help f(x) win.  if MAMA follows their own stated judging criteria, SNSD can't really lose.

[nox111]

yeah I understand but it's too much 

it's not the first time, and it won't be the last time.

for Jessica.  for Taeyeon.  for Yoona.  for Tiffany.  for any of them.

 

Sunny and Hyoyeon are still going to be called ugly.

Taeyeon and Jessica still can't really sing.

Yoona still can't really act.

Yuri still can't really dance.

etc etc etc

 

there's nothing you can do about it so you might as well sit back and relax.

 

sit back and relax and chuckle with mild amusement.  

 

because while the girls of SNSD spend their time traveling all over God's creation, either touring or when they're not promoting they spend 5-6 days out of the week doing photo shoots all over Asia/acting/MCing/etc etc (according to an interview Tiffany did earlier this year commenting on their schedules), what you're looking at is a bunch of keyboard jockeys spending their time on an internet forum calling one or more (or all) of them lazy and accusing them of "not giving a shit anymore".

 

if only more of the world were as "lazy" and cared so little... we might actually get more done...

[nox111]

Looking at Interscope's website, SNSD isn't listed. Looking at the wiki page for Interscope, SNSD also isn't listed as a current OR former label artist, so 'officially' SNSD has never been part of Interscope according to Interscope.

 

Yet we know SMe and Interscope came to some sort of agreement.

 

SNSD's page says: "Setting their sights on the international market, Girls' Generation signed a contract with Universal Music Group in 2011 to release United States material under Interscope Records." And Universal Music Group IS listed as one of their labels.

 

But from http://www.universalmusic.com Girls' Generation is nowhere to be found.

 

Draw from that what you will.

 

Maybe they won't be officially listed artists until they release something?

 

For reference:

http://www.interscope.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Interscope_Records_artists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Interscope_Records_artists

 

 

mmm, i can confirm they were in fact at one point listed on Interscope's site.  saw them there myself

 

as for UMG = http://www.universalmusic.com/company

we do know they are considered artists signed to Universal (and of course they're listed under Uni. JP).  Nayutawave is one of UMG's Japanese labels (like how Interscope/Geffen/A&M are their American labels).

 

so generally speaking, we know their status is they're still signed with UMG.  from there they're signed to UMG's various regional labels as needed for releases (which was basically all their signing to Interscope ever was.  UMG's American label to release The Boys, and whatever else they may have had planned, in the US).

so the only question is are they still planning to ever release an english album, in which case UMG would probably just re-sign them to Interscope/Geffen/A&M as needed.  but we don't know if they even are (really we never definitively knew if they were even seriously working on it post-The Boys)

[nox111]

Hi!

Just my opinion but:

They were signed in October 2011 (for the release of The Boys) then I guess it was a 2-year contract so it is just normally over now, starting from november 2013.

And apparently they just haven't resigned (yet??) or under the same conditions.

 

Oh! And http://www.girlsgenerationusa.com which is affiliated to Interscope and UMG still runs (just posts a picture of the HK Concert)

obviously i (and nobody else) don't know, but that's a pretty solid guess really.

 

while the whole "slave contract" thing is a relatively new social issue for the korean music industry, its fairly old news for the US (though there are still some cases where some controversy about it pops up, recent example would be the Disney machine still gets accused of it every now and then).  

 

US labels don't typically sign very long record deals these days unless you're already an establish artist.  then yeah, they'll try to lock you in for a longer term.

 

but someone "new", the contracts tend to be fairly short. partly because the US (and Western as a whole) music industry doesn't really work off this whole "raise your musician stable for years" concept.  it works more on a quantity basis.

throw out hundreds of acts and see what "sticks", so to speak.

[nox111]

she's also known to have been at one point in the pool of trainees to put in SNSD, but she decided music wasn't her thing and decided to pursue acting instead.

[nox111]

Lol is Sica hurrying to the toilet or smth?

 

she broke the 'No Running" motto

cr:owner

wild guess = looks like her manager/attendant/"whoever that guy is" was pointing out Sica had wandered on to the street already, so she ran across.

[nox111]

thats a good question...are they all still living in a dorm together? or is it just because peoples schedule they'll just be off somewhere random?

 

for me my favorite songs are Motorcycle,Karma butterfly,Lips ...cant wait for the full version of KB and Lips

 

 

I've read tae,fany and sunny live in the dorm,while the others live with their families or on their own..

when they have a comeback or a packed schedule together they all go sleep/live at? the dorm

 

doesn't Taeyeon have her own house now too?

 

as of the last interview (that i know of) on the subject, most of them no longer live in the dorm.

i think the count is something like Taeyeon, Jessica, Hyoyeon, Yuri, and Seohyun have their own places at this point (the last 4 in the same gated community or some such).  looks like Sooyoung lives with her family/sister.

[nox111]

I think TTS will make a comeback first than SNSD. Their new Japanese tour will be in mid 2014... so SNSD will have a comeback in late 2014..

 

Also is there any confirmation from SM that SNSD will have a comeback early 2014 or it just a instagram message or a twit from twitter??????

 

Because everyone think TTS is SNSD also, so there is no surprise if SM announce that it is TTS that will have a comeback first before SNSD nine members...I think no one will care about it. Every sone will be happy. They support everything that come out from TTS or SNSD.

 

Now I'm hoping for Jessica to be very active on her weibo...I guess she will have less activities next year..with new trainees to debut, SM will only care for anyone that can give them money.. 

 

your theory seems fairly unlikely.

 

1.5 to 2 years is a long period for a group to be gone in the kpop world.  

even when Big Bang didn't release an official BB album for ~2 years they were still releasing singles.  and people really need to stop being so paranoid about "OMG SM is shelving SNSD!!!" because that isn't going to happen as long as SNSD is still one of their primary money-makers.  hell, TVXQ and SuJu are shadows of their former selves and you didn't see SM stop milking them for money.  

SM's never had problems with more than one group before; i've said this before but i don't know why people insist somehow SM, who is rolling in more money than ever, is for some reason going to have difficulty promoting multiple groups.

and they're especially not going to shelf them for a rookie girl group that won't be making any money.

 

so SM's coasting, yes.

not spending as much time as they should to make SNSD bigger, yes.

but ignoring them?  hardly.

 

at worst, what we'll see from here on out is SM staying the course and repeating the same program to continue to get as much out of SNSD as they can without any further investment.  i don't want to see that be the case, but nonetheless if we're talking at worst.  

but putting them on some figurative back-burner doesn't make money.

 

and generally speaking, they've never promoted TTS as SNSD.  

they always made that distinction fairly clear in the past, so it likewise seems unlikely they'd suddenly be vague about the distinction between SNSD and TTS now, and call TTS one and the same as SNSD.

 

also new trainees and debuts likely have little to do with Sica as its pretty unlikely she has anything to do with training them.  her and SNSD's activities are pretty much her and SNSD's issues to deal with.

 

that said, ultimately your guess is as good as anyone's. 

[nox111]

isn't that all the more reason why 1.5-2 years between releases makes no sense?

precisely because SM needs to make sure they stay in the limelight.

 

and you know fans who call TTS "SNSD"?  that's completely contrary to anything i've ever heard.  

heck most sones get downright angsty at the suggestion that SNSD isn't more than just TTS.

 

there are ppl who like TTS more than all 9 members together, but that's a completely different matter.

 

and i don't know where you get this assumption there's any more "valid news" about TTS than SNSD.  they ONLY news we really know is that there's a 9-member album being worked on and that there's a TTS album being worked on (due to Tiffany interviews).

 

we don't really KNOW anything beyond that one way or the other.

Edited December 12, 2013 by nox111

[nox111]

 

Queen Slay

 

that list came out a few months ago didn't it?

not that i'm complaining, just saying.

 

iirc if you wanted even more SNSD slayage, expand it to the top 20 of the last 4 years, and SNSD was the only group that had 4 albums in the top 20.  i think Big Bang had 4 but that came with the caveat that we're counting GD's solo work and the GD & TOP sub-unit as "Big Bang".

 

 

edit: ah, i just noticed the "EXO-Miracles in Dec".

heh, for what that's worth iirc that bumps GD&TOP out of the top 20.

Edited December 29, 2013 by nox111

[nox111]

Just a short three-sentence rant regarding concerts/performances.

 

 

Watching the E! special for "I am Britney Jean", I wish SM spent 5% as much money and time as Britney Spears did for their concerts... Remixes, special performances, and other crazy shit. I don't even like Britney, but her show actually seems awesome as fuck. SM/SNSD don't seem to give a fuck about anything anymore.

 

 

realistically speaking they probably aren't looking at making as much money either so there are reasons why SM wouldn't invest so much.  people forget that the bigger Western acts still make a ton more money then anyone in KPOP does.  they make as much from touring alone as Big Bang and SNSD probably make total (album sales, endorsements, touring, etc).  

i hate to ruin anyone's fantasies, but in the grand scheme of things, KPOP is still pretty commercially smallsville from a global perspective.

 

 

as for the year-end performances =

 

- i can't blame them for being tired.

"a lot of groups have been working hard, they have no excuse!"

they released a 3rd JP album on the 11th, had 2 JP concerts/events on the 15th and 17th, a KR concert on the 22nd.  about the only group i can think of who had a harder 2 week schedule is Shinee who was finishing up their JP tour (and had 3 concerts in JP plus their SMTown Week concert).  but that doesn't make SNSD less tired.  that just means we just have TWO SM groups that are probably dead tired then.  

well Shinee had it harder except for the fact that SNSD is preparing for their new KR album at the same time as all this...

 

- they were definitely feeling the loss of Yoona.  you could actually see them adjusting their spacing during the performances.  

i after watching both perfs i was left wondering if Yoona's absence was actually a relatively last minute decision.  in the past they've done a better job at covering for a missing member's vocals and tweaking the choreo to make it less obvious.  the fact that they simply passed the lines to Tiffany and basically left the choreo as is, gap and all, makes me wonder if they didn't have time to adjust it better.  

for those who say, "its their fault for not being able to adjust better!", depending on the timing i doubt anyone could have adjusted any better for a song with fairly active choreography.

 

- tbh, its certainly true that SM/SNSD may have had zero plans to do anything more spectacular than that to begin with.  

that may not please anyone that was hoping for some sort of epic year end remix extravaganza, but i wouldn't be that shocked if SM were to respond that their efforts were simply focused elsewhere atm, more on that in a second.  

why even bother go to the year end shows then?  that's a good question.

but they did and frankly its not like the rest of the crowd made SNSD look bad.  the reality is they were still one of the better acts out of a pair of generally craptacular year end shows.

 

- was it a shame they didn't do more with the perfs if they were going to do them anyway?  sure.

are they "lazy" and complacent?  please get of the high horse.

if i were to make a wager i'd bet that they're probably in the dance studio every day.  and after that they're probably at the gym every day.

why?

because i'd bet that while they didn't put much effort into delivering an epic remix performance of their last albums lead single, they're probably practicing the lead single for their next album which most guesses place anywhere from a month to a month and a half from now.

Korean fans are already starting to joke the girls are starting to show their "comeback bodies" (based on comments from the girls that they don't all workout consistently except right before their comebacks.  then they start hitting the gym religiously).

 

 

 

now before anyone gets all antsy about "why don't i get to state my opinion!!", you're totally free to.  as is everyone else contrary to you.

but i do think a lot of people confuse "this is my opinion" with "i'm going to spout crap i know nothing about", in life and in KPOP ranting.

 

the perfs weren't good.

but they weren't as bad as the hyperbole of some here who are just upset they didn't do what they wanted them to do either.

 

but if you're going to criticize the performances themselves though that's one thing.  that's fair, whatever your standards or expectations were.

 

but could we leave out the "pretending i personally hang out with the 9 girls on the weekend" act and making grand proclamations of how lazy or disinterested or disillusioned or anything else the girls are?  because none of us knows any of that, and when people start whipping out those lines that's when its stops being a real discussion and instead becomes loud people throwing fantasies at one another.

but that said, at the risk of being called a hypocrite, what i'm pretty certain of though is their workload would probably kill most of the people calling them lazy and complacent.  and that doesn't come off as particularly lazy to me.

[nox111]

seriously... are you guys going to start another angst-fest, this time over which girl's "boyfriend coming out party" was the best?

 

do you really not stop a second to listen to what you're complaining about?

[nox111]

 

 

Did this person have a lot of posts/comments on Soshified? Just wondering.

 

How sad if this is true. Of course it's impossible to know, but the way the person was writing sounded heartbroken, not like some other fake fanaccounts I've seen before. Sure everyone has a bad day, but it doesn't excuse that kind of behavior. If this ever happened to me I'd be pissed. I understand not wanting to take a picture, but treating someone like that no matter how bad your day has been (and when you're on holiday, it really can't be that bad) is inexcusable. I can't lie, I'm a bit disappointed reading this. I guess all we can do is hope it's a really good troll.

 

 

tbh i'm not sure why anyone should be disappointed (other than the person who made the fanaccount).  we don't know enough to get particularly personally invested in the situation.

it could be all true and yet all wrong.  its pretty hard for anyone to say.

 

what was interpreted as being rude and condescending might have not been meant to be rude or condescending.  it might not have even looked that rude or condescending to you if you had been there watching it, or had been there in the couple's place.

 

at this point its like trying to judge a Rorschach test, but not being there to see the ink blot to begin with.

Edited January 12, 2014 by nox111

[nox111]

 

 

Clearly you didn't read my entire post. Let me repost it for you:

 

"How sad if this is true. Of course it's impossible to know, but the way the person was writing sounded heartbroken, not like some other fake fanaccounts I've seen before. Sure everyone has a bad day, but it doesn't excuse that kind of behavior. If this ever happened to me I'd be pissed. I understand not wanting to take a picture, but treating someone like that no matter how bad your day has been (and when you're on holiday, it really can't be that bad) is inexcusable. I can't lie, I'm a bit disappointed reading this. I guess all we can do is hope it's a really good troll."

 

I never said it was 100% true. I'm skeptical as well. But of course I'm disappointed in the story, and IF IT IS TRUE disappointed that a fan got treated that way, regardless of the reason. I don't need you to tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about anything. I can form my own opinions on things, but thanks for your concern.

 

I'm not saying they're bad people at all. There are plenty of lovely fanaccounts about both of them. Yes people have bad days, yes they might not want to be bothered, of course they're not perfect and make mistakes, but there are better ways to go about dealing with it if this is really what happened.

 

 

to be clear i wasn't trying to get on your case, and i did edit it once because i thought the original wording came off poorly.  

i guess it still did.

 

i'm not going to try fix that, whats done is done.  but just to be clear i wasn't trying to harp on you.

[nox111]

Knowing how YG confident enough to put 2ne1 h2h w/ soshi I would assume that he's prepared already or at least he knows that public will most likely to like 2ne1 new song/Album. 

 

i don't think it had anything to do with confidence in 2NE1 beating SNSD.

 

i think he mostly got stuck in a situation he couldn't do anything about.

 

i suspect most/all the news of delays for QC and whatnot were all a load of BS, and 2NE1 and SNSD's albums were largely, if not completely, done for a while now.  

all this drama the last few months was SM and YG jockeying for release dates position because neither wants to be the one that released first and then got stifled by the other releasing their comeback the very next week.

 

SM was willing to wait YG out.  

they had the luxury of, for better or for worse, SNSD's proven multiple times now that they can go extended periods without affecting their popularity.

so SM pushed it up to the last month before SNSD's JP tour, which in turn pushes 2NE1 to drop their album literally the week before their tour begins.

either that or 2NE1 begins their tour with no new album.

Edited February 13, 2014 by nox111

[nox111]

ok just to confirm, sunny isnt actually mixing any songs right? shes more like MC instead of DJ

 

but DJ = disc jockey...

i can never understand young people logic

 

but the term "disc jockey" referred to radio announcers BEFORE it was used to refer to "club DJs"...

 

its not really that hard to understand the logic behind the term if you're old enough to know how radio used to be operated...

 

she most certainly would be a DJ (even if the term is anachronistic), and not a "master of ceremonies".  if you think radio hosts are MCs, you take radio shows way too seriously.

[nox111]

On another note a bit of a rant about a bit of anti SNSD/TTS things I've see around a bit

 

i wouldn't worry too much about the antis around.  i know that's generally a solid policy but especially recently.

 

i've noticed that for a little while now (say, the last month or so) certain other fandoms have had serious cases of twisted panties long before SNSD was even doing anything (before Sooyoung's drama even began airing, before TTS released anything, etc etc) to get twisted up about.

 

tbh i suspect it has a lot more to do with them lashing out at others about their own bias' recent scandals and/or recent poorly performing comebacks than anything about what SNSD is doing.