♥ Right Now, Tomorrow, Forever, 소녀시대 ♥ The Official Girls' Generation (SNSD) Thread

[HyperionZ]

What are opinions? It's freedom of speech coming from an individual. The past convo made me come out from lurking mode, hehs. True, some people are tired of seeing TTS again and wanted something new. Let's be honest, i'm one of them. Sunny is my bias, yes she does get the attention that's needed but somehow it doesn't really show her true potential. Plus it's like everything she did doesn't last long or anything related to her is somewhat curse. That's why we sunshiners can't have good things. From IY to her music island mc to even small details like her WMF cap is even a problem to some people. All the other members have a magazine photo-shoot spread but what about Sunny? None. Don't tell me things that she has a single page on Bazaar, it's bull. What is a single page compared to a spread? Sorry if i sound rude. But whatever, sunshiners that i've come across are all calm. We know, Sunny won't have a magazine spread anytime sooner. Or it won't even happen at all. Fine, we'll just accept it. About TTS, i get why some people are not happy. Well who won't if 1) they are already part of a sub-unit and has the chance to shine but yet 2) Tae and Tiff yet again gets to shine by having a duet song in the recent album. Why can't they just let SunSica instead have a duet song in their recent album? They are part of the vocal lines too you know? I for one don't really pay attention to whatever TTS are doing, yes cause Sunny is not included obviously but i do listen to whatever they bring to the table. However as a sunshiner and you feel that your bias is not part of it, everything somehow feels empty. I'm sure this apply to all the others too. What i'm trying to say is opinions is opinions. Everyone is entitled to it, there is no right or wrong in giving opinions. Support if you want to, ignore if you want to. Nobody is stopping you. But there's no need to bring down the other members. I still have lots to say but i'll just stop.

 

Oh and me as a sunshiner will just have to sit and keep on waiting forever till the day that Sunny really gets to shine and show off her vocal skills. It's what most of the sunshiners are doing since forever to be honest. Waiting forever. All i want is her vocal skills to be appreciated, i need a SunSica duet or sub-unit or whatever. Yes Sunny excel in variety shows but right now she's not even in any shows. People have known and love her through variety shows but i also need people to know and love her through her vocal skills.

 

End of rant. Back to lurking mode.

 

P.s, downvote or whatever you want to, i don't care. Like i said, opinions are freedom of speech of an individual.

 

I'm just going to make a small inquiry on the TaeNy thing. I can understand people not wanting the same subunit again to give the other girls a chance and its something I would like to happen (My heart is with how s4a states it, but my mind goes with dmn). However, I feel a bit uneasy at how some SONEs view TTS because of how they perceive the unit is really more about TaeNy. TaeNy shippers can get annoying (I really just enjoy it for the laughs, I never take shipping seriously), but it is subtlely getting some SONEs into transferring some their dislike of the shippers towards Taeyeon and Tiffany as well. I may be reading it wrong, but here is what I see.

 

TTS may be the first official subunit, but in 2008 there was this group with Jessica, Tiffany, and Seohyun that did 2 songs together outside of SNSD. One song for an OST and one for a online game. In 2009, JeTi was quite the popular shipping because of how close they were together at the time and they had activities with each other everywhere, and I mean everywhere. If you think TaeNy have schedules alot together with each other this past year, then JeTi were practically sleeping in the same bed in 2009 with how many schedules they had together. JeTi was the old ship and TaeNy is the new ship atm. Jessica and Tiffany were inseperable at that time, and having been around at that time, I never heard much or saw many grips about JeTi leaving Seohyun alone while they were promoting. Also look at it this way; when TTS were on Sketchbook together and they did a cover of a Destiny's Child song, that was great to see them performing together. However, during JeTiHyun's promotions, they actually went on an Mnet show as a duo and sang "Heaven" together without Seohyun. Again, Seohyun fans definitely could have been angry at not promoting Seohyun with JeTi. With TaeNy though, you just hear and see so much griping and whining about how they are perceived to be getting more opportunities and chances than other members. This last album people complained about TaeNy duet, but JeTi had a duet previously as well in their 2nd full album. I didn't hear much complaint about Jessica and Tiffany getting too many chances at that time either. I just feel alot of this negative vibe towards TaeNy is from fans who don't like the non-stop TaeNy shippers and people who can't tolerate all that stuff the shippers are pushing is somewhat being transferred to TaeNy unfairly. Thats just how I see this situation.

[HyperionZ]

I don't really see the same. I don't think anyone who objects to TTS is actively focusing their hate on Taeyeon and Tiffany. They are still SNSD. Perhaps the vitrol is such that it seems that way but i haven't personally see any bashing of the two and I wouldn't support anyone who does make those claims.

 

The vitrol are towards the more hardcore TaeNy shippers. The ones who, as much as people would like to not admit it, pretty much treated Seohyun like a third wheel during Twinkle promotions. The ones who tend to think that SNSD is TaeNy + rest. There has been a lot of built up animosity towards that portion of the fanbase and it's just boiling over as of late.

 

Yeah, I know that there isn't much active hate on Taeyeon and Tiffany. That is why I say "subtlely". I used the JeTi vs TaeNy examples as comparisons to show the differences between something that is quite similar and happened before TaeNy. You can replace Taeyeon with Jessica now, and yet the outcome isn't the same. There was never a perceived bias toward JeTi getting more chances than others at that time. TaeNy seems to get that mindset currently though to some fans. I feel there is a slow unconscious negative feeling towards TaeNy when you read some of the responses here and twitter from some. Its not outward or active, but just how people write or phrase words/sentences can tell some things.

[HyperionZ]

LMAO, you are probably that pathetic troll I used to ban all the time at Soompi. Nice to see you still have a hobby. If mods do their job, please delete their stuff and block them. This whole SY vs Yoona debate was started by this troll, so ignore it folks.

[HyperionZ]

I'm surprised people haven't once said Jessica & Tiffany for a duet. TaengSic is a good choice, but having listened to all their radio singings, OSTs, and other non-SNSD songs they have performed, I feel JeTi is a great partnership for a song. Some people like JeTi's "Heaven" cover song, but the best duet I have heard from SNSD imo is JeTi's "Only One for Me." I've never heard such passion and emotion from them singing a cover song like that before and even the girls themselves listening to it on the radio show also noticed the emotion from their singing as well. For those who don't know this cover, here is the link.

[HyperionZ]

i dunno i dont see their voices to go too well together

tifanny has a strong, loud, husky voice

but then sica has a cute, high, and a voice tht makes people melt

but then again if contrast is good then they are good together

but when i listen to taengsic <3

 

I think their voices do work well together because of their contrast. It gives them more range to do more variety of songs and having seen them sing many times together in the past, they seem to read each others thoughts well when they sing together. TaengSic sound good because they also have similar range and tone, so it can sound harmonious. I like JeTi's sound because of that husky, loud voice and the high pitched, soft sound combining to sound really smooth when I listen to it. It doesn't always seem to work in theory, but having listened to so many of their covers together, I find that duet pairing the best I've heard from everything out there to sample.

[HyperionZ]

Thats good! I've been looking for her 1N2D Cuts today and it seems they're all taken down by Youtube. -_-

 

 

 

 

 

I'm wondering why Sunny (CMIYC) isn't nominated for the Popularity Award? Any one knows?

 

 

My guess would be because Sunny's "Brenda" role wasn't major role in the musical. I don't know the musical itself, but basing Brenda's time in the actual movie, she is more a minor character than a main/major plot character. Jessica's character is the main actress role that appears in the majority of that musical/movie and I'm not sure if there is a main lead actress in the musical because Brenda isn't in half the movie. CMIYC is mostly about the counter-fit character and the FBI agent who chases after him.

[HyperionZ]

um no.. its not just a rumour

tiffany herself confirmed it in her interview

her enlgish interview she said tts is making a comeback in september and

snsd is going to have on in november

the interview is with Mnet america

http://www.soshified.com/2013/05/mnet-america-releases-interview-with-tiffany-in-los-angeles

here she says it near th emiddle-end

 

This is a problem some fans have with rumors, and it is the speculation becoming true because lots of people talk about it, and it becomes true in their minds. Fans also mix up rumors and make up new rumors unfortunately. You took Tiffany's interview information and combined it with some unknown comeback list that has been spreading around to make it into now Tiffany saying in her interview SNSD and TTS are coming back in september and november.

 

If people have followed SM enough, they are the masters of the last minute and changing stuff up at the last minute. Even if Tiffany said TTS and SNSD are releasing something this year, so what? Does that mean it will actually happen? I refer people to Tiffany and Sooyoung saying in interviews the specific date the Boys album would be released in the US stores, and yet when time came, where was that album in stores? In fact, remember that the girls didn't even know about the 2 week delay of releasing The Boys? Like I said, SM is last minute and even the girls don't know sometimes until its too late.

[HyperionZ]

I'm ok with the pink outfits because they remind me of figure skating uniforms. In fact, the designs look similar to what figure skaters wear.

[HyperionZ]

and you got minused...because?

oh well, stay pressed, people

 

yeah, "beautiful stranger" was..pretty awful in terms of lines...Yoona didn't even get a chance to sing..and her line in "Bad girl"...are you kidding me? in the entire song she just sings "alright"...that's ridiculous

 

agree with the TTS thing...it kinda irks me because, not only they have their own sub unit,  they still get to sing 80% of the songs in the SNSD albums...why not giving those lines to Jessica? heck, TaeNy had a duet, despite being in TTS already...*sigh*

 

I think its incorrect to bring in TTS subunit into how SNSD's line distribution is in songs, because they are not connected in any way other than they have some members of the same group in them. A group line distribution should not be swayed because a few members got to be in a subunit and other members should get more of a chance to get more lines because TTS got to sing more from that subunit. 

 

This also goes into the unconscious perceptions about TTS I spoke about in a previous post, but TTS are not getting any more lines than they have previously. Maybe Tiffany is getting to do more adlibs that Jessica once did, but Jessica still gets the 2nd most lines in songs. TaeNy duet doesn't really matter either, like my comparison of JeTi duet in 2nd album when JeTiHyun also got a chance to promote as an unofficial subunit. There was never this much dislike for JeTiHyun/JeTi for line distribution before, but why for TTS/TaeNy?

[HyperionZ]

IMO, line distribution talk shouldn't be that much of an issue. In the overall lines of an album, Taeyeon and Jessica still get the most lines and Tiffany and Seohyun appear to be getting a bit more than previous albums, but they are still behind those 2. Like I've said before, you rarely heard Tiffany fans complain about her 2 short lines in the Boys that was also released in English and the rest of the album her line distribution was the norm.

The only noticeable difference that is worth discussing is about Tiffany and somewhat Seohyun getting more adlibs/bridge lines in songs that Jessica always/mostly got in albums beside Taeyeon. For Lingua Franca, Tiffany has 2 parts in the first and second verse, the bridge part and the ending. For those who are Sica bias, would line distribution really matter that much if Tiffany didn't sing that last part of the song and had Sica done it instead so Jessica had her 4 lines and Tiffany had the 3 parts (2 verse parts and the bridge)? Would having Jessica do the bridge part before Taeyeon's bridge part work for the song better than Tiffany & Taeyeon singing it.

IMO, I think having Tiffany & Taeyeon makes better sense musically because of their contrasting voices. If Jessica & Taeyeon were to sing that same part, I think it would be less effective because their voices are similar. If you had Tiffany's husky voice and then Jessica's smooth vocals after, that would also be a good option instead of Taeyeon & Jessica doing those parts one after another. Please feel free to discuss if you'd like.

[HyperionZ]

Things on my prayer list:

 

1. Sunny to stay away from every pair of scissors within a 5 mile radius for the next year.

2. Hyoyeon to dip her hair in a bucket of brown paint.

3. People in this thread to gain a sense of humor when it comes to Robert/Sooyoung's posts. Y'all wouldn't last a day if SNSD actually end up promoting in America because you'll have to deal with his no-holds-barred style of posting from people that don't like the group.

 

I never knew being condescending towards people was haha funny. Must be a new kind of humor we should learn to adopt right?

[HyperionZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSyH43MFSlI

 

 

Who said it was humor #tho

 

That's just how people post in the world of Western pop artist stan wars (Beyonce vs. Britney vs. Lady Gaga, etc.) and that's where he comes from.

You should be able to read underneath the layers of sass to get the underlying point.

 

 

Actually you did when you said "3. People in this thread to gain a sense of humor when it comes to Robert/Sooyoung's posts."

 

Also, what is his underlying point then? Like his comments to a new person Janny here. Robert's points are right and Janny's are worthless and shit? So people in the world of Western pop artist fans are high school idiots that like to insult each other online?

[HyperionZ]

Unnie, don't do this to me. My brain's completely fried after finals.

 

 

Ok then, you don't have to find his posts funny. I personally find them amusing.

My point is y'all should lighten up and see what he's trying to say instead of simply dismissing him as a troll or an anti.

ex: Calling Love&Girls "Lurv&Gonorrhea" and pointing out how it's flopping isn't malicious. It's his way of mocking the song as low-quality filler not deserving to be released a single and more importantly unworthy of SNSD.

 

Ok, weird how you just asked how his posts are not really humourous in nature, and now you say you find them funny? Conundrum if there ever was.

 

Here is where I disagree that it isn't malicious. He is more than just mocking, he is CONDESCENDING to other's opinions that go against his. He is acting superior; that he is right; everyone else not with me is completely wrong and just stupid/moronic. I have no problem with him not liking the song(s) that have just recently been released and some parts of his posts. But the manner that he goes about that supposed humor does not work. Its pretty much putting someone down to make yourself look/feel better or important.

[HyperionZ]

 

You're clinging onto an unimportant detail and missing the point. I find them funny, you don't have to. Ok, let's move on from that because it's not central to the message I'm trying to get across.

His manner of posting is blunt and often rude but that doesn't invalidate what he has to say. dmn isn't exactly butterflies, rainbows, and sunshine but that doesn't mean everything he posts is automatically wrong. [i deserve all the won just for admitting that]

It doesn't invalidate it, but it definitely makes me want to ignore it because if he doesn't show respect in what others think, why should I care to listen to his points too unless I like getting talked down towards.

[HyperionZ]

The setting is the same but this screencap doesn't exist in the Korean MV.

 

Hmm, if its the same setting, can you really tell from a screencap if its English or Korean MV? If I remember right, the Boys English and Korean MV's weren't really different right? Also, screencaps can be different based on how many frames are used, capture size, or by how it captures are decided by time rate or specified number. It could be an English version, but not sure if you can base it solely on just a screencap.

[HyperionZ]

Hyooooo   

 

 

Well, obviously something someone worked on for a long time should be given credit. That's just messed up. But IG comments don't take that long to translate, it's just a few words. Someone fluent can glance at it and instantly know what it says. Yes, credit should always be given but in that case it's really not worth making a big deal over, at least to me. But to each his own.

Its not a big deal overall, but you set a precedent if you let someone steal your work, even if its just a word or a few phrases. If you let me steal this little bit, why can't I steal a bit more from you? If you let other people steal the credit of these translators for their own work, then you are in a way saying I don't appreciate what these translators are doing for free for others. Then when these translators get tired of their work being taken without credit and stop translating other stuff besides IG for fans for free, then what?

[HyperionZ]

1. Yes; Re-read my post; No, again, re-read my post.

 

2. There was this one time when a fan asked for an autograph of a famous celebrity and they got one, talked for awhile, and left on friendly terms. The fan was overjoyed and left with something to remember the moment with. See, I can post an anecdote too.

 

3. I agree. I would never approach someone I don't know personally if they were at a restaurant with their family. But a county fair, a 20 something yr old celebrity, among friends, I think that's the prime place to approach a celeb.

 

4. I would understand if a mob of people came, but according to the account it was only a few. A few people is hardly a horde of crazed fans jeopardizing their safety.

 

5. I don't even think you read my post.

 

Maybe I'm just too nice a guy, but if I were in Fany's position I'd say, "Fuck the manager I'm signing this fan's album. She supports me from the other side of the world. The least I could do is sign her album." But that's just me. Mistakes were made, still love Fany and Tae, I'm already over it.

 

 

I'm willing to chalk it up to an off day.

 

 

Except they aren't dealing with fans 24/7.

 

I'm done.

 

If fans want to try to approach Tiffany at the county fair, then they are free to do it. As for Tiffany, she is also free to decline as she did as well. I'm sensing you don't like the manager excuse Tiffany gave, but I'm guessing she wanted to let the fan down without having to say "I'm with my friends and I'm sorry I don't want to be bothered when I am with them" sort of chat.

 

Tiffany has shown to be gracious to fans who ask for autos and/or pictures, even chatting with them for a bit of time as well. However, having seen how she works, she rarely has signed or taken pics when she is around family or friends. She prefers to be "Stephanie", not the popular girl group member Tiffany from Korea at that time. If you as a fan can't accept those terms, then too bad.

[HyperionZ]

It is time for Sunny shine, damn Korean magazines and SM I also blame you! We want Sunny for magazine photoshot!

 

 

 

Not sure if its SM or its more Sunny and also Taeyeon just not accepting to do many magazine covers. Taeyeon would definitely get many chances to be on the cover of magazines because she has the most fans in SNSD, but she doesn't seem to do that many and same thing with Sunny over the years.

[HyperionZ]

HOW COME I DIDN'T SEE THIS STAR KING EPISODE T_T WHERE IS IT?

 

http://onesweetdelightlater.tumblr.com/post/13427239550/all-hail-jung-sooyeon-hbic

 

Jessi the queen of everything...complete with shirtless man candy

 

 

 

That guy also seems to be staring at Sica's assets.

[HyperionZ]

Just going to put my perspective on Tiffany's and/or other girls performance levels during this past concert. Hearing that they didn't get to rest much at all before the concert, I'm not surprised by what I say from Tiffany on that fancam.

Just looking at the fancam without knowing the context, Tiffany definitely looks like she is half-assing it and just going through the motions. However, you can tell its more on her appearing fatigued by how uncoordinated and unfocused Tiffany looks. Tiffany is not well known for her dancing skills, and she will tend to make a mistake here or there or even be off the beat just a little and then readjust during the dance. However, she truly appears to be just be lagging behind in most of that fancam. When you lack sleep, it is your mental/cognitive abilities that decline significantly because your focus and coordination just go out the window. Dancing and singing for 3 hours at a concert? I'm surprised she didn't just flop to the floor really because I probably would have been dizzy halfway in.

To put it into perspective, here is my experience with sleep deprivation that is related to Soshi in a way. I'm from Northern California and I drove down to Southern California in early 2011 for the Soshified Meetup that SM helped out. I drove with a group of SONE's @ around 2-3 am in the morning and early in the 5-6 hour trip it was really foggy on this single lane path on Route 152 and I really needed my concentration, focus and attention on the road because I could barely see 20 ft in front of me even with high beams on. I was driving like 15 miles per hour just to keep not from driving out of my lane and hitting another oncoming car from the other direction. Once I got onto 1-5, there was no fog there and total cruise control down to LA. Now, even though I volunteered at that event, I didn't really do anything too taxing on my body. I walked around and worked the entire day, doing errands here and there, but nothing that required any mental energy or concentration. At the end of the event and having ate well at the Korean BBQ place (forgot the name now), I was able to get in like 2 hours at most of sleep while everyone else was having fun singing at Karaoke, and I hadn't slept in over 24 hours at that point.

I also was the one driving back home to Northern California because it was my rental car, and I thought I could do it. However, even just driving down I-5 with little to no traffic around you is extremely difficult. Half an hour into the trip, just focusing on the lane in front of me was making me sleepy and dizzy. No cars around at all and I could barely keep on a straight lane. I was slowly weaving in and out of the left lane and I was barely able to open my eyes and refocus enough to bring the car back into the lane. I knew I was exhausted having not slept much and knew the effects of sleep deprivation, but I thought I could do it by surviving off caffeine to give me the energy boost I would need for the drive back home. Let me tell you, it doesn't help at all. Before we started, we bought Starbucks and that really didn't help much at all. Soda bottles......just nothing. I was really trying to focus on keeping straight on the road, but my mind was too confounded from the lack of rest. I even drank 2 of those 5 Hour Energy Drink bottles during that trip. They probably lasted 5-10 minutes each bottle before I was falling asleep again. I was able to drive 3 hours into the trip moving in and out of the lane constantly (lucky it was in the middle of the night and 1-2 cars in sight all around) and stopped for gas before I had someone else who had some rest on trip drive the rest of the 2-3 hour drive back home. Just some somewhat simple focusing on the path ahead of me and just slightly moving my hands left or right and I was really slow, unfocused, uncoordinated and somewhat dizzy and delirious. If I had to dance and sing for a concert in that condition, you would probably see me on the stage unconscious from my mind being mentally overwhelmed.

Edited September 15, 2013 by HyperionZ

[HyperionZ]

oh yes. The KMW with both SNSD and TVXQ. SNSD, on that day, they performed mr taxi, genie and the boys. Even though Idk if they lipsynced or not but their dancing was AMAZING.That is one memorable night for me. Watching SNSD in real life performing was an unforgettable memory for me and I want everybody to have that same memory, same feeling  like mine 

 

And why do some members can do it yet some others cant? I can name a bunch of artists who can do a concert even longer than 3 hours without being sloppy. Not to mention SNSD has even 9 members.  I dont expect them to have high energy throughout the concert. JUST being decent is enough for me.

 

Some members can do it and others can't because they are all different people? SNSD may be one group, but they are still all 9 individual people. Also, you went to a KMW concert where each artist performs 2-3 songs at most, where they don't perform long enough where endurance, focus and concentration are not big enough factors in their performances. Even with lack of sleep or energy, you can somewhat get by on adrenaline alone. For example, if you have watched the Good Morning SBS episode in 2009 where they were performing Gee and they were practicing Gee for SBS Inkigayo. Yuri said they hadn't slept much at all before they had come into practice due to previous schedules and I think even Seohyun said they didn't sleep all night just so they could get more practice in. I don't remember any lack of effort or sloppiness on their SBS performance that during that time. But adrenaline cannot last for 3 hours. If I didn't know the context that they didn't get any rest coming straight to the concert early morning the same day, I would agree they should give more effort and/or passion during their concert. But because of that context, I can understand their lacking performance in concert towards the latter end of the concert.

[HyperionZ]

um I 've watched all the fancams and it's obvious that a lot of them are still very hyper and energtic duringTwinkle, which is one of the very last songs. So it's clear that the girls were not that tired as you make it seem to be, they were capable of dancing decently.

 

In 2010 and 2011 era, their schedules were a lot more packed but the performances back then were much better and much more concentrated.

 

Yes, some of them were. But if you define someone in SNSD who is considered hyper and energetic during performances, who would you say it is? I would dare say a majority would say it is Tiffany. That we are discussing Tiffany just lacking energy and not being as hyper as she normally is even to someone who went to the concert saying so, I think the lack of of sleep definitely has merit. Also, they had really packed schedules back then overall, but instead of tight schedules, they have to travel much more outside of Korea than they ever did during 2010-2011. SNSD probably averages about 2-3 trips per week this year. Still, their travel schedule doesn't matter in that much in this matter, because I am not saying their cumulative schedule affected how Tiffany performed towards the end. I am saying because SNSD didn't get proper rest before the concert that I can understand how Tiffany was not typically herself. If you can recall any of their previous concert schedules in 2010-2011 where they arrived on the day of the concert early in the morning and were able to perform with more concentration and energy, then I can see your point of view.

[HyperionZ]

 

um you are saying exactly what im trying to say: Tiffany Some of them had enough stamina to dance yet they chose to halfass their parts. 

 

Which "herself" do you mean?

 

And you are delulu to think that they have traveled more this year compared to they did in 2011 2010 era

 

 

spoilered for whoever wants this thread to be full of rainbows and butterflies

 

 

We'll just agree to disagree whether or not the lack of sleep affected their performance, because you don't seem to think so. Tiffany's self is one that tends to be hyper and energetic during performances.

 

I don't believe I am in error in regards to having traveled more during this year compared to 2010-2011 so far. Like I said, they have less packed schedules, but they have been to the airport more times because now they are traveling more than just for performances, they are traveling outside Korea for more non-music stuff now as well, whether it be photoshoots, appearances for brand names, filming dramas or for CF's.

 

[HyperionZ]

I'm too far away to make a mini posting spree so I guess I'll just have to swap something.

 

I'm in the camp that thinks the girls' Japanese should be better now. I really wish that didn't always have an interpreter for interviews. I'd at the very least like to see Sooyoung and Seohyun to not use the interpreter for shows even when there is one available, it could at least hopefully motivate the rest to get to that level.

 

I would agree their Japanese should be better if it was really their focus, and you can tell from how SM has promoted them since their Japanese debut its not a priority. Also, there won't be any significant progress unless they actually stay/live in Japan for at least a few months. TVXQ, BoA, and even Kara improved their Japanese because their companies had them stay there to learn the culture. If you don't use it, you lose it. I doubt they are using it much other than in language practices here and there, which doesn't do much for improvement.

[HyperionZ]

quoting myself:

 

"You are still not getting it , why you can not say I like it without adding any buts? instead people like you always has to

add their "constructive" criticism and "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" sentence. Why you and many in here

can't enjoy her efforts? when the efforts of the rest of SNSD never gets "criticized" the way Tiffany's efforts constantly are."

 

And for what I see you are not going to get it never and all the people who is down-voting my comments are not getting

either. It is too much to ask for appreciation instead of  "constructive" criticism or sentences like this "should have went to

Jessica or Taeyeon" ?

 

 

 

I am defensive because this is not the first time Tiffany receives  "constructive" criticism by "sones" , this is

a pattern from "sones" who are always hunting for Tiffany's mistakes.

I am defensive because Tiffany can't sing without anybody saying "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon" ,

you never read this when Sunny or Seohyun is singing.

I am defensive because when Tiffany got casted in Fashion King many were saying "why not Jessica or Sooyoung?"

When I have never read anybody saying Yuri, Sooyoung, Seohyun, or Jessica should have not been casted , Yoona

is better actress those jobs should have went to her.

 

This kind of comments are the type of comments that Tiffany receives from this fandom , everyone who comes here

and read this comments know so. If everyone were treated equally or the majority of the girls were treated the same

way Tiffany is treated I would not making a case out of this, but the majority in here disguises their shady comments as

personal preferences or opinions . And if all of you like to have your opinion , I have my opinion too, "real sones" is

1 out of 1000 , the rest are bias toward their biases, anxious and desperate to write "constructive" criticism and add

 sentences like "should have went to Jessica or Taeyeon".

 

I can understand your point of view in that Tiffany's singing has been criticized before here more compared to some of the other girls. However, there are some differences in why Tiffany she gets more compared to a Seohyun or Sunny OST. The songs Tiffany tends to do recently have been more high vocal quality and more out of her range than what some of the other girls have chosen to sing. For example, Yuri's OST didn't really get any criticism because it was unexpected (at least to some, not me though) and it was within her range. For Yuri's level of singing, it was good. For this song for Tiffany, I don't think BringtheSnacksOut is saying Tiffany didn't do well with the song, but that song is really difficult to sing and it can strain her voice if she continues to sing that song too much. I actually don't mind she is doing songs out of her normal range and trying to push herself, although I do hope she doesn't push too much that it leads to vocal nodules again.