HRH Ayyu 4,199 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Parents who restrict their children to a vegan diet could face a jail term if a controversial bill is passed by the Italian parliament. Such parents, the draft bill claims, are imposing a diet "devoid of essential elements for [children's] healthy and balanced growth". It has been proposed by Elvira Savino of the centre-right Forza Italia party. It follows a number of high-profile Italian cases where malnourished children have been taken into care. In four cases over the last 18 months, malnourished children were hospitalised in Italy after being fed a vegan diet. However, dieticians such as the American Dietetic Association say vegan diets are suitable for children but advise that care needs to be taken to ensure children are receiving the full range of required nutrients - in particular vitamin B12. Doctors speculated in some cases that the guardians of the hospitalised children may not have understood how to supplement a vegan diet to make it safe for children. What is veganism? A vegan diet eliminates anything which originates from animals: No meat, fish, animal fats or gelatine No dairy products such as cow's milk, cheese, butter, yogurt, goat's or sheep's milk No eggs nor foods containing eggs such as Quorn No honey Ms Savino's proposed bill will be discussed by parliamentary committees before going to the chamber for debate - probably later this year, reports Reuters news agency. Meanwhile, three rival bills are on the table - all aiming to make vegan and vegetarian options more commonplace in Italian canteens. 'Reckless and dangerous' In the preamble of Ms Savino's bill (in Italian), she highlights the spreading belief in Italy of "substantial health benefits" provided by a vegetarian or vegan diet. "There is no objection if the person making this choice is an informed adult. The problem arises when children are involved... The vegetarian or vegan diet is, in fact, deficient in zinc, iron, vitamin D, vitamin B12 and omega-3". Her draft bill aims to "stigmatise the reckless and dangerous eating behaviour imposed by parents" who pursue a vegan diet, "to the detriment of minors". Offenders would face up to a year in jail - rising to a maximum of four years where the child suffers illness or permanent injury and six years in the case of death. While some nutrition experts have challenged the validity of the bill, other commentators have cautioned that its imprecise wording means it could be used to penalise a far greater range of parents than vegans or vegetarians - for instance, the parents of obese children. Some say better public health education rather than punitive measures would be more effective at improving children's nutrition. source bbc news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- 967 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 whaat? vegan diet is just as good as normal diet, u just gotta make sure you get eveything you need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINI 16,268 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Pft. In Italy not even killers are in jail, so obviously these parents won't go to jail either. - an Italian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToujoursSistar 7,681 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Vegan diet seems messed up for kids tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRH Ayyu 4,199 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 it seems like a inpractical proposal. alot of effort to enforce when it only affects a very very small percentage of the population. should be left to social services to intervene if they and school authorities notices the child is malnourished, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posy‪ℓuv 3,625 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Vegan diet seems messed up for kids tbh Children can be healthy on a sensible well thought out vegan diet high carb low fat vegan , raw vegan or other extreme vegan diets not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n o w 86 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Vegan diet seems messed up for kids tbh This ^ Plus Italian food is already healthy per se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffybubbles 2,699 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 it's not going to pass anyways vegan can be ok for kids if you do it right, unfortunately a lot of people don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riveneve 106 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 This is a law proposal by a MP, and for sure it will not pass through Camera and Senato for two reasons: 1. Made by a MP from Forza Italia to seek for popularity after some recent cases of child abuse over wrong vegan diets. 2. It is unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchcraft 1,377 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think vegan people have a really messed up diet. Humans are omnivores not herbivores, we need meat, fish and all that tralala in our diet to be fully healthy functional humans. It is just in our nature, that's just we were made. People want to challenge the rules of nature in so many ways. Vegans who force people to eat a certain way are messed up. Give children the food they need and let them decide for themselves what kind of diet they want when they become adults. Mentally challenged people i swear Idt it'll pass though so rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukka_chan 269 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 some countries also should adopt a law to jail parents who impose straight sexuality on their sons and daughters tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldmine 2,849 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 As a person who's (kinda) a vegetarian, children should be able to eat anything except lots of fast food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakurahanabira 6,634 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think vegan people have a really messed up diet. Humans are carnivores not herbivores, we need meat, fish and all that tralala in our diet to be fully healthy functional humans. It is just in our nature, that's just we were made. People want to challenge the rules of nature in so many ways. Vegans who force people to eat a certain way are messed up. Give children the food they need and let them decide for themselves what kind of diet they want when they become adults. Mentally challenged people i swear Idt it'll pass though so rip um no, the word you actually mean to say is omnivore, aka being able to eat both meat and vegetables. Carnivores cannot digest vegetables whatsoever. For example, cats are carnivores but they cannot digest vegetables due to their system. And no, not everyone needs meat in their diet. There are some people who even have allergies to meat. And there are vegetarians/vegans who are healthy so I don't know what you mean by people need meat to be "healthy." Meat and seafood aren't the only source of protein, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli 3,627 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 whaat? vegan diet is just as good as normal diet, u just gotta make sure you get eveything you need im so ???????? at how many downvotes this got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRH Ayyu 4,199 Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 whaat? vegan diet is just as good as normal diet, u just gotta make sure you get eveything you need lol at your down votes when the article quotes a institution who expertise are dietary that says exactly what your saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llydia 532 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think diets like that should be left to adults who make their own decision. Let the children eat a balanced normal diet with meat/seafood & when they are older they can make the choice for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukka_chan 269 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think vegan people have a really messed up diet. Humans are carnivores not herbivores, we need meat, fish and all that tralala in our diet to be fully healthy functional humans. It is just in our nature, that's just we were made. People want to challenge the rules of nature in so many ways. Vegans who force people to eat a certain way are messed up. Give children the food they need and let them decide for themselves what kind of diet they want when they become adults. Mentally challenged people i swear Idt it'll pass though so rip kinda understand your reasoning but by your logic.. "I can't dye my hair because I born brunette" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchcraft 1,377 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 um no, the word you actually mean to say is omnivore Actually yes, you're right i meant Omnivores, idk why i wrote that. I'm gonna edit that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchcraft 1,377 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 kinda understand your reasoning but by your logic.. "I can't dye my hair because I born brunette" The fact you're comparing dyeing hair, a frivolous thing, to food, something compulsory for survival, is stupid i'm sorry. You can disagree, it's fine. I said what i wanted to say tbh. got nothing more to add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldmine 2,849 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I think vegan people have a really messed up diet. Humans are carnivores not herbivores, we need meat, fish and all that tralala in our diet to be fully healthy functional humans. It is just in our nature, that's just we were made. People want to challenge the rules of nature in so many ways. Vegans who force people to eat a certain way are messed up. Give children the food they need and let them decide for themselves what kind of diet they want when they become adults. Mentally challenged people i swear Idt it'll pass though so rip when a hipster tries to sound smart but makes a complete fool of themself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchcraft 1,377 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 when a hipster tries to sound smart but makes a complete fool of themself How is saying that i think a vegan diet is kinda dumb, being a hipster, or trying to sound smart? Hipsters are more likely to be vegan than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli 3,627 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 so are we also gonna lock up parents from obese kids???? instead of lockin up vegan parents give them more information about what a healthy vegan diet looks like so they dont have to go searching on youtube and follow all the extreme ones bc they get told that that is healthy like i dont know about other countries but here we learned all about this in elementary school so besides that they should also 'promote' a vegan/vegetarian version of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukka_chan 269 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The fact you're comparing dyeing hair, a frivolous thing, to food, something compulsory for survival, is stupid i'm sorry. You can disagree, it's fine. I said what i wanted to say tbh. got nothing more to add so.. people with food intolerances or food allergies are freaks of nature because basically they can't follow the diet "that nature gave us"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukka_chan 269 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 You talk like if vegan people only eat pills or something chimical LOL So, If what vegan people do is wrong, people who only eat junkie/fast food also are against nature... no! bc this is all are diets and styles of life issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldmine 2,849 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 How is saying that i think a vegan diet is kinda dumb, being a hipster, or trying to sound smart? Hipsters are more likely to be vegan than anything. it's not what you said (children shouldn't have a diet forced on them which I said as well), it's the holier than thou attitude very typical of hipsters throughout the comment. It is just in our nature, that's just we were made. People want to challenge the rules of nature in so many ways.Mentally challenged people i swear Let's just say you have a very recognizable way of speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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