Female Performer/Singers and the brain drain

[gyrobot]

So recently another Kpop group debuted and what was intesting about the new group is it is actually predominantly a Japanese lineup with 3 of the girls are Japanese.

 

 

 

 

With the rise of The Japanese Trio in Twice their official stance is they like kpop but that is what the PR stance tells you. After all you dont want to alienate your home audience, but lets face it Jpop has no place for a female performer unless she conforms to the popular groups in Japan with the rise of Jidols in Japan and their cookie cutter concepts. Sana was LDH trainee and Momo was friends with Giselle4 and we know the struggles LDH has with having to stay out of the jidol lane to not run over by AkiP's media machine.

 

But what does this say? That if you ahave the potential for a sexy girl group concept the only choice os LDH or go to Korea? This is the trend that AkiP wants to enforce. That his groups are immune to external cultural pressure and they will march to their beat of their own drums.

 

So is the brain drain only making the situation worse for jidols looking be like Namie is because there simply no place for them to learn?

[DocumentaLy]

Wasn't the Twice girl chopped from LDH because she wasn't good enough? I mean, the ones who go to Korea are rejects essentially who couldn't cut it in Japan.

 

And as far as brain drain goes, you're completely forgetting about the young women who write their songs and play instruments that are rising right now like miwa, Leo Ieiri, Ohara Sakurako, Fujiwara Sakura, Seiko Oomori, and so on.

 

Japan basically doesn't want a bunch of people dancing around to hip hop and EDM songs. They'd rather listen to something a bit more heartfelt.

[IceHism]

I don't see how this is interesting.  And like Documentaly said, they are basically rejects who couldn't cut it in japan.

[sgt_flex]

op is mostly trolling, but the responding delusion is strong here.

 

op's argument has a core or truth.

aside from various indie acts (which every country can point to), the japanese music scene is insular and dated.

'heartfelt' is one euphemism for that.

 

however, even pop music tries to push the envelope in korea, even if results are mixed.

maybe it's the international connections or fanbase, or even the professionalization of the industry.

people that want to move on from the same boring japanese formula will naturally look elsewhere.

they fortunately have more options in the world now.

 

recognition in asia and the world suggests that even a rookie group like twice is the better standard than your lactate dehydrogenase.

music is more than dancing in a huge mob; that's called back-up dancers.

and parris goebel's royal family is far better than ldh will ever be.

 

fortunately, sana and momo keep in touch with their friends at e-girls.

they will hopefully share ideas to liven up the j-pop scene.

[DocumentaLy]

 

op is mostly trolling, but the responding delusion is strong here.

 

op's argument has a core or truth.

aside from various indie acts (which every country can point to), the japanese music scene is insular and dated.

'heartfelt' is one euphemism for that.

 

however, even pop music tries to push the envelope in korea, even if results are mixed.

maybe it's the international connections or fanbase, or even the professionalization of the industry.

people that want to move on from the same boring japanese formula will naturally look elsewhere.

they fortunately have more options in the world now.

 

recognition in asia and the world suggests that even a rookie group like twice is the better standard than your lactate dehydrogenase.

music is more than dancing in a huge mob; that's called back-up dancers.

and parris goebel's royal family is far better than ldh will ever be.

 

fortunately, sana and momo keep in touch with their friends at e-girls.

they will hopefully share ideas to liven up the j-pop scene.

 

 

I don't see what's wrong with being insular and doing and your own thing. And as far as dated goes, I think the only people who say this are those who have a very surface level understanding of mainstream music in Japan. I do think that Japan likes to take things from the past and update them for today. Because honestly, not everyone wants to listen to hip hop and EDM, which is what contemporary pop music largely consists of. There's also the fact that the country is aging, so what matters to the youth matters less and less, and will probably never matter in the future as much as it did like a decade ago. 

[choa501]

I don't see what's wrong with being insular and doing and your own thing. And as far as dated goes, I think the only people who say this are those who have a very surface level understanding of mainstream music in Japan. I do think that Japan likes to take things from the past and update them for today. Because honestly, not everyone wants to listen to hip hop and EDM, which is what contemporary pop music largely consists of. There's also the fact that the country is aging, so what matters to the youth matters less and less, and will probably never matter in the future as much as it did like a decade ago. 

 

Honestly, this whole argument from K-Pop fans about J-Pop being dated has started getting tiresome. Even if you say the indie scene is an exception, you're disregarding acts like BOC, SEKAOWA, Superfly, or Yuzu that are very much mainstream and whose music cannot be categorized as dated. 

 

I think a lot of K-Pop AND J-Pop fans fail to understand that following American trends does not make you suddenly superior, modern or ahead of your times and everyone else. In fact, there are many countries and regions around the world where hip hop and EDM aren't as favored or prevalent as other genres. I also don't understand why not seeking or gaining worldwide recognition is suddenly proof that you are not up to worldwide standards. Case in point, Shakira is the most known Colombian singer around the world but no one with half a brain considers her the best the country has to offer in terms of singing and/or music. 

[Sana Muñequita Linda]

"we know the struggles LDH has with having to stay out of the jidol lane to not run over by AkiP's media machine"

 

"Staying out the idol lane".... but don't many people consider most LDH artists as idols even though word of god says they don't use that label for themselves (in spite of the factors that make people think they are idols, namely the personalities of their fans towards them, the marketing strategies, etc.)? I'm not saying most artists signed under the agency are idols, though.

 

What are you trying to convey in your statement?

[gyrobot]

"we know the struggles LDH has with having to stay out of the jidol lane to not run over by AkiP's media machine"

 

"Staying out the idol lane".... but don't many people consider most LDH artists as idols even though word of god says they don't use that label for themselves (in spite of the factors that make people think they are idols, namely the personalities of their fans towards them, the marketing strategies, etc.)? I'm not saying most artists signed under the agency are idols, though.

 

What are you trying to convey in your statement?

 

That is exactly what I am saying, they don't use the label to avoid getting in the way of AkiP who wants a virtual monopoly on the J-Idol business.

[mochichan]

That is exactly what I am saying, they don't use the label to avoid getting in the way of AkiP who wants a virtual monopoly on the J-Idol business.

They did a bad job of it then for going on IDOL Festival, produced by HKT's Sashi, when they debuted and performed with acts like SKE

 

 

 

When have AKS ever ran over any groups.... They didn't do shit when Momoclo was considered their rival and their concerts were praised over AKB. They played Kpop songs at their concert and on their variety shows when kpop trended there.

 

And there's nothing between AKS/LDH. They been on shows together and AKB invited them on their own shows. Nesmith said his favorite member is Sae. Egirls went on Utage multiple times. Utage is MC by AKB and SMAP and AKB/Kisumai are regular guests .

 

 

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dG_d3KqJvdY

[DocumentaLy]

 

Honestly, this whole argument from K-Pop fans about J-Pop being dated has started getting tiresome. Even if you say the indie scene is an exception, you're disregarding acts like BOC, SEKAOWA, Superfly, or Yuzu that are very much mainstream and whose music cannot be categorized as dated. 

 

I think a lot of K-Pop AND J-Pop fans fail to understand that following American trends does not make you suddenly superior, modern or ahead of your times and everyone else. In fact, there are many countries and regions around the world where hip hop and EDM aren't as favored or prevalent as other genres. I also don't understand why not seeking or gaining worldwide recognition is suddenly proof that you are not up to worldwide standards. Case in point, Shakira is the most known Colombian singer around the world but no one with half a brain considers her the best the country has to offer in terms of singing and/or music. 

 

 

A lot of KPop fans see JPop and all they can really name are AKB48, Arashi, Perfume, BABYMETAL, Kyary, and Namie. That is the main problem.

 

And I think that more and more JPop fans are getting out of that mindset that following American trends is the best thing to do. I think it's part of why a lot of female soloist fans are being left behind.

 

 

That is exactly what I am saying, they don't use the label to avoid getting in the way of AkiP who wants a virtual monopoly on the J-Idol business.

 

It's more because they want to avoid the idol stigma.

 

And et's not act as if AKS is like Johnny's because they're not. It's a really odd thing to say when you see that groups like Perfume, Momoclo, Morning Musume, BABYMETAL, BiS, Dempagumi.inc, and the like are actually allowed to have careers.