Briar Rose 7,488 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 starts 9:20 she speaks about how fucked up it is being in any entertainment industry especially when you started as a kid and have no solid foundation of who you are outside of the industry and what higher ups tell you being abused is a regular occurance - but we don't see it because what they seem like on the outside seems glamorous and amazing She says sometimes you have to know your own worth, but she specifically points out that especially when you are contractually obliged to do whatever people tell you it's kind of a living hell because you can't refuse it's interesting because we only see the outside and how pretty these stars look in this dress or that hairdo and we have no idea how much they're probably suffering. Your fave may be getting so many opportunities in Korea, Japan or China, but who knows if they've been fucked up in the head since childhood because of the star system or if they're being pimped here and there to get those opportunities. It's sad and scary to think about. Maybe that's why people cling to the fantasy. That's it. It's nothing new but I just thought it was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeIie 850 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 who's Mya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deâ„“phina 14,904 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 who's Mya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 when you are contractually obliged to do whatever people tell you Shocking! Sounds like... a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briar Rose 7,488 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 who's Mya? 90s R&B star She actually talks about the fact that because she turned down opportunities (which had gross, disgusting strings attached) it had consequences - being blackballed and shitted on. Some ppl will sell their souls to predators to get to a higher level of celebrity but that leads to a dark path. And sometimes even if you're never huge, being empowered and educated can leave you in a better mental, psychological and physical state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briar Rose 7,488 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Shocking! Sounds like... a job. Not when your agency tells you that you need to crack it open and sleep with these producers/directors etc. just to get a role in a drama. Let's not forget what happened to Jang Ja-Yeon - what her company forced her to do and what that led to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Not when your agency tells you that you need to crack it open and sleep with these producers/directors etc. just to get a role in a drama. Let's not forget what happened to Jang Ja-Yeon - what her company forced her to do and what that led to. when you are contractually obliged to do whatever people tell you it's kind of a living hell because you can't refuse I'm pretty sure that such contracts don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thigh-high feminist 15,771 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 who's Mya? She's an American singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromiscuousBunny 3,686 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 this is nothing new, but sad nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiyu 2,891 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 this is nothing new, but sad nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briar Rose 7,488 Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'm pretty sure that such contracts don't exist. You ring up that poor woman's grieving parents or better yet call her ghost and ask her what was in her contract. Or you can read the news that blatantly said that she was forced to by her company and had no choice in the matter because that's what happens when you're owned by your label. You seem to be doing the most in order to deny the truth about your faves. Well that's why fantasies exist. By all means continue to live in yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 You ring up that poor woman's grieving parents or better yet call her ghost and ask her what was in her contract. Or you can read the news that blatantly said that she was forced to by her company and had no choice in the matter because that's what happens when you're owned by your label. You seem to be doing the most in order to deny the truth about your faves. Well that's why fantasies exist. By all means continue to live in yours. You seem to be the one in denial. I commented on a specific phrase which described what pretty much every job is - being contractually obligated to do what you're told by superiors. You bring up a victim of battery and other criminal acts that was forced to prostitute herself via force and intimidation, not a contract. Logic? Reading comprehension? Ability to lead a conversation? - Not detected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taemway57 688 Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It's not likely to be in anyone's contract that he/she has to render sex on demand if the company deems it expedient (I'm pretty sure that's illegal). But there are probably clauses in some contracts that state said contractee must "put in an appearance" when called to "help promote" the label, or seal a deal. That leaves loads of room for wide interpretation of whatever "help promote" may entail, especially if coercion is involved. Once you sign on the dotted line and your career is in their hands, the entertainment company basically holds all the cards. Since you can't go anywhere else, they can put your career on ice if they decide you're uncooperative or non-compliant, in which case, you have no recourse. I actually often wonder how often this happens in KPop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeZee 1,603 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 You seem to be the one in denial. I commented on a specific phrase which described what pretty much every job is - being contractually obligated to do what you're told by superiors. You bring up a victim of battery and other criminal acts that was forced to prostitute herself via force and intimidation, not a contract. Logic? Reading comprehension? Ability to lead a conversation? - Not detected. The snark is beyond immature, but you're right. Although, it can absolutely be implied... It's not likely to be in anyone's contract that he/she has to render sex on demand if the company deems it expedient (I'm pretty sure that's illegal). But there are probably clauses in some contracts that state said contractee must "put in an appearance" when called to "help promote" the label, or seal a deal. That leaves loads of room for wide interpretation of whatever "help promote" may entail, especially if coercion is involved. Once you sign on the dotted line and your career is in their hands, the entertainment company basically holds all the cards. Since you can't go anywhere else, they can put your career on ice if they decide you're uncooperative or non-compliant, in which case, you have no recourse. I actually often wonder how often this happens in KPop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semisomniac 3,852 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 this is nothing new, but sad nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenaeum 81 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 this is nothing new, but sad nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 It's not likely to be in anyone's contract that he/she has to render sex on demand if the company deems it expedient (I'm pretty sure that's illegal). But there are probably clauses in some contracts that state said contractee must "put in an appearance" when called to "help promote" the label, or seal a deal. That leaves loads of room for wide interpretation of whatever "help promote" may entail, especially if coercion is involved. Once you sign on the dotted line and your career is in their hands, the entertainment company basically holds all the cards. Since you can't go anywhere else, they can put your career on ice if they decide you're uncooperative or non-compliant, in which case, you have no recourse. I actually often wonder how often this happens in KPop. Where have you seen such contracts? What kind of labour code do you have where you live? Where I live prostitution does not qualify as "put in appearance" and "help promote". Once you sign on the dotted line, you're obligated to act withing the contract and law, nothing else. They won't promote you if you refuse? So? It's not the end of the world. You can make money some way else. Usually the contract says that the company has an obligation to promote their artists, so if they stop it's grounds for a lawsuit actually. What I'm saying is: don't confuse Mya and Jang Ja Yeon. Mya had some producers and CEO's imply what she should do and still was free to chose to do it or not, 'cause it's not in the contract and it's illegal and in worst case scenario they won't promote her. Jang Ja Yeon was beaten and threatened to do it - contract had zero influence on her actions, it's the fear and violence. Companies using violence to their artists happens very often in kpop - Kim Jong Kook, Kwon Sang Woo, Open World Ent. for example. But contracts have nothing to do with it, it's just mobsters doing their usual thing. The snark is beyond immature, but you're right. Although, it can absolutely be implied... See above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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