Do you think Twice can become a mainstream Kpop girl group in Japan like Kara and SNSD?

[Hyooga]

Three Japanese members in the band, not to mention Tzuyu who I think fits the aesthetic taste. 

 

Their sound is pretty fresh when pitted against the music fare right now in Japan and would definitely appeal to the younger crowd. I wonder though if they have what it takes to be mainstream?

 

For one, I definitely see Sana in those bangumis as one of the panellists. I feel she and her personality will be very appealing over there.

[snsdJM]

well they do have 3 japanese members so they do have a legit shot imo

[Carefree]

Having three Japanese members is a game breaker I think

[dante.]

maybe?  as long as they aren't marketed as a kpop group

[kimchi]

No, K-pop girl groups are done in Japan.

[Kimberly Lipington]

As long as they go full on jpop at some point like KARA did then yeah. I think twice can end up like Kara due to the jtrinity. Besides having good music kara really excelled in the language department in japan which i think bought many fans.

[k8oboi]

the music scene in Japan is different now compared to 5 years ago.... unless Twice can have "the song" and slay everyone right off the bat 

[aldrin_only]

Yes. Since they have the Japan-line they have a huge chance of making it big there. If they can have the other members speak Japanese at least in a conversational manner, then it would be better.

[ramkissoon]

I think so if they leave korea and concentrate in japan for a year or so.  If... they are willing to sacrifice their popularity in korea.

[ღBelle Ame�]

i mean with 3 japanese member, they can/will definitely succeed.

[LaJetée]

i think the days of kpop groups getting that big in japan are long gone.

[raniari]

If JYPE plays their cards right, they have the potential to make it big in Japan I think

[Hyooga]

i think the days of kpop groups getting that big in japan are long gone.

 

a lot of things go in cycles tho

[Mischo]

Having japanese members wont gurantee anything though.. I mean.. it's definitely an advantages, but there's lots of japanese ggs with full japanese members that dont do well..

 

However, I do believe they'll do better than most kpop groups and could perhaps be the top among the new gen..

[LaJetée]

a lot of things go in cycles tho

 

well isn't kpop kind of being actively suppressed in Japan though? A kpop group can get popular in Japan but I don't see it happening at the level that kara snsd and tvxq achieved where they were able to actually become relevant amongst the Japanese public, i just dont see that happening again any time soon.

[likedatlikedis]

idk if they can reach snsd's or kara's achievement in japan, but having 3 japanese members is def an advantage.

[SoOnceVelvet]

Just create a J-trinity subunit and send them off to Japan then you're all good.

[looks]

No, K-pop girl groups are done in Japan.

nope, this guy knows what he's talking about, the scene is dead for k-pop girl groups in japan for years, not even snsd themselves can be as big as what they were before, the glory days were 2011~2012.

[sgt_flex]

i heard kpop was dead in japan, but the data doesn't reflect that.

some impressive numbers posted by tvxq, bb, exo, and 2pm.

but not sure why snsd or kara aren't on here.

http://onehallyu.com/topic/241601-nikkei-unveils-their-concert-mobilization-power-ranking-for-2015/

 

there is effectively a korean cultural blockade under the nationalist abe administration in conventional channels.

but younger people rely more on internet content anyway, and they're the core audience.

although my knowledge of jpop is limited, there don't seem to be major acts that compete directly with twice (especially including production value).

i'd imagine twice will fare very well in japan once they seriously start promoting there.

while some japanese will consider the j-line traitors, i'd imagine the core audience is more about entertainment than bigoted politics.

[looks]

i heard kpop was dead in japan, but the data doesn't reflect that.

some impressive numbers posted by tvxq, bb, exo, and 2pm.

but not sure why snsd or kara aren't on here.

http://onehallyu.com/topic/241601-nikkei-unveils-their-concert-mobilization-power-ranking-for-2015/

 

there is effectively a korean cultural blockade under the nationalist abe administration in conventional channels.

but younger people rely more on internet content anyway, and they're the core audience.

although my knowledge of jpop is limited, there don't seem to be major acts that compete directly with twice (especially including production value).

i'd imagine twice will fare very well in japan once they seriously start promoting there.

while some japanese will consider the j-line traitors, i'd imagine the core audience is more about entertainment than bigoted politics.

no, girl groups are dead, boy groups are still able to maintain

oricon anual album physical sales for korean acts in japan, 2011 and 2012 were the glory days for those 2 girl groups, even outselling tvxq, after that, the sales dropped fast for them,

http://onehallyu.com/topic/270382-japan-oricons-yearly-sales-ranking-of-kpop-artists-2010-2015/

[hetappina]

To be successful in Japan like the older groups did, they need to focus on the market, it's not even enough that they have 3 Japanese members, the other members must have at least limited control of Japanese language. KARA was even bigger than SNSD there because the members were able to immerse themselves in the settings, not just sitting there with a translator.

 

To focus on the market, they need songs that appeal with the market, not just direct readaptation of their songs from Korea. It's risky too unless their Korean and international fandom are very loyal to them and won't leave them when they are focusing on Japanese market.

 

Without it, they are only going to be popular mostly with the existing market that already likes K-Pop, but might not be huge in general public eyes. It's still A WHOLE lot of money though and that's what a lot of companies nowadays chose to do

 

Also, just making a subunit of J-trinity won't be a walk in the park either, Japan has A LOT of girl groups, most of them aren't even known outside of idol fandoms beyond MomoKuro, Perfume, AKB groups and E-girls

 

Tl;dr they ofc can, and they may have bigger chance to do so with Japanese members compared to other groups, but might not be as easy as some people thought

[sgt_flex]

no, girl groups are dead, boy groups are still able to maintain

oricon anual album physical sales for korean acts in japan, 2011 and 2012 were the glory days for those 2 girl groups, even outselling tvxq, after that, the sales dropped fast for them,

http://onehallyu.com/topic/270382-japan-oricons-yearly-sales-ranking-of-kpop-artists-2010-2015/

 

kpop doesn't have the physical sales of 2011 in korea.

that's a trend worldwide for all genres, including west-pop.

in other words, it's silly to measure twice by the standards of 2011 snsd or kara physical sales.

metrics like concert attendance or overall sales (including digital, ring tones, etc.) are more appropriate now.

 

the original question is whether twice can become a main-stream kpop group in japan.

it seems quite possible given their age, concept, marketing structure, resources, and group members.

but it is highly unlikely that they'll ever match snsd or kara's level of recognition.

kpop girl groups aren't novel enough anymore to capture the broader public's attention like they did years ago.

[snsdreceipts]

SNSD has 0 Japanese members (Sooyoung being the only member who could speak acceptable Japanese when they debuted there) and made it. I don't see why Twice will have much of a problem lmao

[sgt_flex]

To be successful in Japan like the older groups did, they need to focus on the market, it's not even enough that they have 3 Japanese members, the other members must have at least limited control of Japanese language. KARA was even bigger than SNSD there because the members were able to immerse themselves in the settings, not just sitting there with a translator.

 

To focus on the market, they need songs that appeal with the market, not just direct readaptation of their songs from Korea. It's risky too unless their Korean and international fandom are very loyal to them and won't leave them when they are focusing on Japanese market.

 

Without it, they are only going to be popular mostly with the existing market that already likes K-Pop, but might not be huge in general public eyes. It's still A WHOLE lot of money though and that's what a lot of companies nowadays chose to do

 

Also, just making a subunit of J-trinity won't be a walk in the park either, Japan has A LOT of girl groups, most of them aren't even known outside of idol fandoms beyond MomoKuro, Perfume, AKB groups and E-girls

 

Tl;dr they ofc can, and they may have bigger chance to do so with Japanese members compared to other groups, but might not be as easy as some people thought

 

agreed. mainstream vs mainstream kpop are very different.

twice doesn't need to do much differently (save jp versions of current songs) to be recognized within the communities that already follow kpop (including many ordinary kids).

broader mainstream recognition is entirely different, and twice will have to retool drastically to cater to that segment.

but it may not even be worth the effort.

japan is a much older society now (average age is ~46 iirk), and that demographics isn't core to pop music.

[looks]

kpop doesn't have the physical sales of 2011 in korea.

that's a trend worldwide for all genres, including west-pop.

in other words, it's silly to measure twice by the standards of 2011 snsd or kara physical sales.

metrics like concert attendance or overall sales (including digital, ring tones, etc.) are more appropriate now.

 

the original question is whether twice can become a main-stream kpop group in japan.

it seems quite possible given their age, concept, marketing structure, resources, and group members.

but it is highly unlikely that they'll ever match snsd or kara's level of recognition.

kpop girl groups aren't novel enough anymore to capture the broader public's attention like they did years ago.

those were figures in japan, and those people buy physical albums like crazy, japan is the worlds largest music market regarding physical sales, so bringing up sales in korea doesn't make sense, and you can see in the chart that boy groups are able to maintain figures of what they have been selling in 2011 up to these years.