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[mistressnicey]

I don't see the problem having a group of talented people.... tbh if even one member was not able to sing (except the rappers I guess), I would have dropped them by now...   But hey that's just me talking as someone who likes Cube groups more specifically their boy groups wherein.... everyone in Beast as well as BTOB can sing and yeah they have much lesser numbers... but I don't see the need to complain about having a group where all people can hold a note... Obviously some people are going to get shafted despite having decent skills if CLC is anything to take an example of where Sorn doesn't even sing as much (in their title tracks specifically) when she's basically lead vocal. But whoever is going to get shafted... that ain't Jinho nor Hui.. the rest probably coz I think some members' voices might suit certain genres.

 

If you can't support a group just because everyone can be vocalist, that's up to you.

Edited July 3, 2016 by Mistressnicey_CrystalB2uty

[mistressnicey]

2. Hui and E Dawn are 2nd and 3rd best dancers in the group, while Yeo One and Shinwon are the worse dancers (they dance well but not as well as the others), so why would Cube let them be in the vocal group but not dance group?

 

I beg to disagree. ^^ We just haven't seen much of it but I think he's definitely way so much better than Shinwon. Personally he seems to be their 5th best dancer after Kino, Yuto, E'dawn and Wooseok. He has smooth and clean moves...

 

 

Edited July 3, 2016 by Mistressnicey_CrystalB2uty

[mistressnicey]

So IF they are a 10 member group....

 

They'd have

 

1 weak vocal (Shinwon)

3 weak dancers (Yan An, Shinwon and Hongseok)

 

Not bad....

[mistressnicey]

now that you put it that way bby shinwon seemed like a deadweight alongside them

 

but then again arent most visuals like that

 

Well, he has one of the best variety sense in the group... that should count for something. lol

[mistressnicey]

well,yes

 

They could give him a screaming part in their songs since he's great at it 

[mistressnicey]

Pentagon is a visual group #fact

Hooo  You reminded me of someone 

 

I wonder who that is 

[mistressnicey]

LOL You totally forgot Hui. We have 10 members in the group, and Yeo One ranks 6th in terms of dancing (behind Kino, E Dawn, Hui and Wooseok), which means he is in the "weaker" dancers half of the group. I know that he is a decent dancer (Jinho is a clean dancer, Hongseok, Shinwon and YanAn are the 3 weak-but-not-that-weak dancers in the group). But if Cube has to divide 10tagon into 2 groups 5vs5 Vocal vs Dance groups in terms of dancing skills, Yeo One will definitely fall into the Vocal group instead of the Dance group like the one I quoted from said (it's a matter of who dance better, not just who dance well). 

 

ahhhh prob coz I don't find Hui's dancing that strong... but that's just my opinion lol which is why I put Yeo One as 5th 

[mistressnicey]

Hui's dancing skills are strong, or at least Cube finds him strong because they gave him a 4 for his Dance category since the beginning and have always kept him with E Dawn and Kino as the 3 main/lead dancers at the front line (and Cube is the only one matters in terms of forming sub-units). Maybe it's because he hasn't shown much of his dancing skills (he only focused on competing with Jinho for the main vocalist spot) that you don't find his dancing strong. I can understand this cuz it's hard to rank the members when most of them are strong and people have different tastes.

 

 

Visual wise, I think it depends on personal interests. I don't really think Shinwon ranks first in Visual category, but Cube and the boys keep referring him as #1 so I think if Shinwon makes it to Pentagon, he'll get the Visual position (tbh that's his only specialty in the group). Yeo One is on and off depending on his styles, cuz on stage, esp "See you again" perf, he made me think "Damn, is he even human?" but off stage, because of his styles, his visuals are somehow off. But then, Pentagon get me confused for their visual games as much as their vocal/rap/dance abilities since everyone has super visual. Personally, I would rank Wooseok and Kino in my top 3 with Yeo One either be 1st or last depending on his styles.

He's def a strong dancer. I just find his moves a little bit over the place especially after seeing his performance in that Green Concert one they did. He def is more confident doing freestyle than Yeo One but it's just preference I guess that I like a more cleaner dancing. Prob why lets say in Beast I prefer Kikwang's over Hyunseungs dancing because of the same reason. In the end, I think it's nice that the group has a good number of good to great dancers and even the weaker ones can keep up with choreography without standing out like a sore thumb.

 

Yeah Pentagons visuals are awesome too.

 

To conclude, Pentagon is a great group and hopefully Cube manages them well.

[mistressnicey]

We just need to save Kino right from being worse member next week. That shouldn't be too hard...

 

Now I think Hongseok, Kino, Edawn will def get those online points... Yan An is in trouble. What happens if he gets to fill his pentagram before the elimination or at the same time?    What if he actually accumulates enough points this week to fill it but then... his team loses on the performance battle... is that possible... ughhhh I think I can live without Shinwon but cutting any of the current remaining members...I'm not sure.

[mistressnicey]

If Yuto didn't get confirmed, i would have thought they are trying to drop Kino to be the leader of Japan team (since most of the Japan team are in the lower half and only Yan An is behind in the China line team, assuming they have been divided up like that hehe).... then you get all the China line people to be the confirmed members but wait the minor pentagon inside the double pentagon is the Japan line and they will debut too LOL

 

/sorry I just want all to debut.

[mistressnicey]

They need Yan An's voice in Pentagon. idk how you describe his voice but it reminds me somewhat of Yoseob, like a really "clear" tone? I'm not a music expert.

 

Pretty sure Wooseok will get his mind point tomorrow... Wooseok has to be the member who has won a lot of challenges the entire show. He only lost once for the performance battles which was for Good Luck. Dawn will probably fill his pentagraph too as well as Wooseok.

[mistressnicey]

There's no way they'll cut Yan An just for the sole fact that he is from China.... he is essential to the group.

 

And Cube is obviously saving Hyojong by putting him in Hongseok's team.

 

We don't know what will happen but I still think the hope for OT10 is still there.

[mistressnicey]

How the remaining members' pentagraph look like:

 

 

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What if there's a final showdown of the members who didn't get to complete their graphs? Wooseok seems like he's going to complete it tonight.

 

A final showdown with revival chance between Yan An, E'dawn and Shinwon... 

[mistressnicey]

so.... they didn't give out free offline points right? 

[mistressnicey]

Individual Videos

 

Jinho

 

 

Hui

 

 

Hongseok

 

 

E'dawn

 

Edited July 5, 2016 by Mistressnicey_CrystalB2uty

[mistressnicey]

Yeo One

 

 

Yan An

 

[mistressnicey]

Yuto

 

 

Kino

 

 

Wooseok

 

[mistressnicey]

These two are so funny. I love them lol 

 

 

 

 

btw.. how da hell was Hongseok so good at that aegyo guessing game or whatever it was? O.o I was chuckling at how they were so surprised with the last one 

[mistressnicey]

Did he really say that? LOL! That crazy cutie.

 

I like his voice as well and true. Though to be fair, I've noticed the opposite being true as well. In the Tiger JK song for example, you can hear Hongseok going for certain notes and then Yan An attempting the same notes with a similar amount of "power" and struggling a bit. In a lot of ways, his voice reminds me of like a male version of a soubrette (though nor nearly to the same extent as someone like Yugyeom from Got7). Definitely unique and a lot more potential than most think, in my opinion

 

But I like Yeo One's leg hair :(

 

I think it was from this clip: @1:15

 

 

 

LOL

[mistressnicey]

It's not surprising because most Pentagon fans are ifans, so the views on Naver only increase for streaming reason.

 

Btw, I heard Kfans say that Pentagon will debut all 10 members if their concert get 2k fans to come.

I'm kinda worried cuz it's a big number for a rookie.

 

They have 2 weeks till then. It seems like they are working on getting their name out there by doing guerilla events today and prob next week too. I think they're gaining a couple fans from the MV as well. Hopefully they can gather that many people.

[mistressnicey]

On one hand I want to applaud their scheming, on other I'm ready to brick them. 

 

This is some next-level predebut fanbase/demand-testing.

 

 

I think a mixture of 1. PTG isn't taking off the way P101/WIN/idk I'd even argue No Mercy did 2. OT10 outrage post-elimination is making them want to test out how badly fans want OT10 to happen, and how worth it is it for them to debut all 10 as opposed to 7?8?9???Idon'tknowlmao. It's really interesting.. Has anyone watched/read/heard of something similar before? I.E. If X fans do/do not turn up for a live event then Y members will be brought back/eliminated. I only (vaguely) rmbr 'you need X fans to turn up at Y event in order to debut' scenarios before.

 

 

It is pretty demanding but maybe it can be achieved. It's a free concert after all. I heard they at least have a turnout rate of almost 500 in their performance recording for Pentagon maker. People who aren't in Seoul have time to plan to travel there as well as anyone who wants to go can invite people to come with them for a free event.

 

 

 

I have no idea about survival shows. I only really watched a few clips at the beginning of Produce 101 and just their performances. I think when people say "survival" show, it's already expected to eliminate people so I'm guessing this is a first. I personally like how Pentagon Maker has never been about... "x member is bad.. I'm better... I deserve the spot" and any major drama involving between members except once which was that small JinHongseok conflict part which wasn't entirely big.

 

With this, I guess having a united fandom is being built and everyone is gearing for everyone to debut and help... or I'd like to believe it's that way from what I've seen so far since even kfans are already buying OT10.

 

 

[mistressnicey]

Like I said, next level demand-testing. It's basically a miniature simulation of Pentagon holding their concert 1~2years in the future. If it's a free concert there's a good chance they might hit 2k or close enough to 2k for CUBE to fudge the numbers since I bet there'll be non-fans who might be curious enough to go check it out... 

 

 

Hahaa, I'm totally into the concept of survival shows in general (RIP me following Boys24 and trying to rmbr my biases names). The way PTGMaker was at the start, like a regular group variety, is well and good from an entertainment and team-building perspective... But I don't get the sense of limit-breaking(?) that comes from a 'if I don't do well, this is the end' desperation, in their performances* So as a selfish viewer, I prefer survival shows.

 

*Same criticism holds for Dance or Band. No verdict yet on Boys24; they're undoubtedly lacking as whole but I need to keep reminding myself that a good number of the contestants are randoms and not (ex-)trainees.

 

 

 

 

True... they don't have that desperation feel, at least on how they are being portrayed on the show. It makes me really think if Cube has even intended a "survival" show setting initially coz it feels like they just named it as such because of all the P101 hype & the success of Sixteen... when in fact it seems like they've already finalized the group to be 10 as early as December last year and most likely already dropped every other male trainee who were on the running for a spot when they did... so who is there to eliminate now? O.o (I heard most Cube trainees now are female and a few younger male trainees)

 

 

[mistressnicey]

2k is a neither big nor small number. I mean it's somehow achievable but high-risking at the same time, even if it's a free concert. 

For example: Astro - which is more popular in Korea than internationally (unlike Pentagon which is more popular with ifans because of Hongseok, Jinho and 2 foreign members). Fantagio had been constantly promoting Astro for 2 years predebut, they held guerilla concert almost every month @ Lotte, had a widely-known webdrama and fanmeetings during 6 months predebut and shoved Astro members onto a lot of shows. Their fancafe alr had 10k fans at that time. But then they only aimed for 1500 fans for their debut showcase (remember Seventeen made an article for "attracting 1000 fans for their showcase predebut"?). Every 500-fan variance is a small number for top groups but a really huge difference for a rookie group.

I know Cube is putting a lot of hope into Pentagon - tbh Pentagon is their last hope to revive their difficult situation at the moment, so they have to take risks, but still.... 

But then, would they really take 2 members out if they couldn't achieve 2k fans? I think no, they wouldn't waste a lot of time and money for their trainees just to do that. Rather than that, I think they would still write a shocking headline like Pledis did "Pentagon garnered 2k fans just for their showcase predebut". Noone can really verify its liability tbh.

 

Yeah I said sth on twitter like at least they should gather more than 1k fans so it would look believable if Cube would say 2k in their articles LOL

 

Yeah most of Pentagon fans atm seem to be ifans. Although I do see a small piece of Beast fans moving on to Pentagon since the fanbase took a hit after what happened to the group tbh. It's unfortunate but anw... fans who are currently checking on Pentagon rn seem to either be Melodies or B2uties esp in Korea, for those who aren't there for JinHongseok that is. Yeah they only have 2k members in their fancafe :/ And a part of that are ifans. -.- Cube does really set up high expectations for their groups as of recent years which make me think if they actually know the status of their groups and just give them unrealistic goals.... sigh

[mistressnicey]

The problem is that a lot of so-called Cubeholics hate Pentagon (and CLC) because of what Cube did to their sunbae groups (just like how Cubeholics hated BtoB because Cube debuted them but not focused on Beast). I can understand what Pentagon will have to face after debut because their situation is almost close to my faves Sonamoo. Their most popular member is Hongseok, who has lost most of his old fans since M&M (ofc there are still fans like me that stay "loyal" to him, but not that many compared to his former popularity), and most of them are international fans. Tbh I thought that this kind of survival show would hit daebak in Korea, but somehow due to Cube's promotions, it turned out to be the least popular compared to other survival shows.

It's not that I don't believe in the boys, it's just that Cube sets a too high bar for them, which is pressing and high-risking. But then Cube can totally fake it (1k or 2k is still a crowd of fans afterall), and when Pentagon debut, with the help of ifans, they will totally sell >2k albums LOL. (Hongseok fans are somehow...... "crazy" in terms of dedication anw).

 

I hope that Cube will promote them thoroughly in Korea, China and Japan (it's okay if Cube drain them the first few years after debut ) , please don't waste their potentials like they did with BtoB and CLC 

 

I think 2k is really low... lol even CLC got to sell almost 5k of their debut album with barely any hype and being a girl group. And I think most Cube fans are boy group stans so I think there's gonna be some of them who will support Pentagon since some of them can't resist (like me LOL). Ofc there will be retaliation from really dedicated stans from the groups who won't like it but it won't be as bad as CLC... I hope. -.-

[mistressnicey]

Album sales are easier to achieve though, no? I mean turning up for a concert firstly eliminates the involvement of any ifandom (apart from the super hardcores who'll travel to korea -- basically a handful of Hongseok stans?). Secondly it's a direct 1:1 ratio -- one person can buy many many albums but is only one person at the end of the day. And then album sales are cumulative...calculated over a period of time with multiple opportunities for people to say "yes, I will support them" whereas a concert is a one-time thing -- if at that point in time someone decides not to go, but changes their mind later... well too bad, what's done is done.

 

Agreed with the point about boy group stans though. Overall I'm still optimistic for a 1.2~1.5K turnout with Cube fudging the numbers up to 2K.

 

ooooops I seem to have missed the part where the 2k mentioned first was about the concert attendance on the post I replied to OTL But yeah 2k is hard for a crowd.... maybe the desperation can at least get them to 1.5k with the condition Cube has given the fans.

 

Wooseok pls tell everyone in SOPA to go.... LOL