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"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a

non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor

does a black have any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that

every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one




Prophet Muhammed is truly the best and greatest example! He is very inspiring and I love reading quotes from him. Such a kind hearted man.

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My favourite being before my mother, my father, my siblings. ♥♥

Me too. Honestly, if it wasn't for Prophet I would've stronger doubt about my religion.



- I'm 19 years old and when I first entered puberty I encountered many of the problems with my religion and my lifestyle. Like many others at my age, I wanted to try many experiment things that my religion didn't allow so I was always conflicting. My mum is a very strict religous one and we always argued. I did all of those "experiment" things and I doubted a lot on my religion. It wasn't until then I began studying, reading and educating myself on Islam. It's been kind of slow, but I'm doing my best. I've completely given up on alcohol and boyfriends and I fasted the Ramadaen og for the first time I read the Quran entirely. I'm proud of myself haha. I've just come to realize that this life is nothing but a short life. This life doesn't matter imo. Alhamdulillah


The world is a prison for the believer and a paradise for the unbeliever. â€

- Prophet Muhammed (SAW)



Anyways, I think before leaving the Islam you should atleast study. At least knowing what you're leaving behind.

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MashaAllah. May Allah grant you steadfast iman and may He pleased with you. Ameen.







Thank you :) And you too inshallah!


Quotes Woman:


“The rights of women are sacred. See that women are

maintained in the rights assigned to them.â€


"God enjoins you to treat women well, for they are your mothers, daughters, aunts.â€


“Shall I not point out to you the best of virtues It is your doing good to your daughter when she is returned to you having been divorced by

her husband.â€


“Whoever doeth good to girls, it will be a curtain to him from hell-fire.â€


“Women are the twin halves of men.â€


“A Muslim must not hate his wife and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, then let him be pleased with another that is good.â€


“Admonish your wives with kindness.â€


"The best among you is the one who is the best towards his wife "


"Paradise lies at the feet of your mothers. "


Prophet Muhammed (SAW)


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle as saying: He who

believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good

terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib,

and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will

break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards



"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you

should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr you

have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with

them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah

brings through it a great deal of good."


- Surar Al Nisa

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Hello to the new users ^.^


I want to discuss a topic that is considered the greatest and unforgivable sin yet many muslims don't realize it.




In Islam , shirk ( Arabic : ﻙﺮﺷ širk) refers to the sin of practicing idolatry or polytheism , i.e.

the deification or worship of anyone or anything other than the singular God. Literally, it

means the establishment of "partners" placed beside God. It is the vice that is opposed to

the virtue of Tawhid ( monotheism ).



This is one of the vers that talk about shirk being an unforgivable sin:


Translation: Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him,

and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates

anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin. (Surah Nisaa, verse 48)



Examples of Shirk:



(Found this on Yahoo Answers. Thought I should share)


Three major forms of shirk:


1) Shirk in Rubūbīyah (Lordship)

Shirk By association - This can be either associating Allah(swt) creation with his creation as his equal or near equal (polytheism)


Shirk by negation - This is denying the existence of Allah(Swt) (Athiesm)



2) Shirk in al-Asma was-Sifat (the names and attributes of Allah)

Shirk by humanization - This is giving god human or animal characteristics. Such as painting god in the image of a man.


Shirk by deification - This is giving something else Allah(swt) name or attribute.


Shirk In al-'Ibadah (Worship)

This is basically directing your worship to things or people other than Allah(swt) it can including asking for help, guidance and admittance to paradise all of which only Allah(swt) can provide.



Minor shirk

There is also minor shirk which the Prophet (SAW) warned us about. It can be best described as pride or showing off.

Another forms of shirk include swearing by those other than Allah(SWT)


Also believing karma i.e. another worldly power or force punishing or rewarding

you for your deeds when only Allah(Swt) can do so is considered shirk.

And believing in good or bad luck through other means (Such as lockets or stones) can be a form of shirk as in something other than Allah(swt) bringing good or bad tidings.




I'm sharing this because, not only is this an unforgiven sin, but it's a sin I've seen been commited here.


Example when fans refer their bias as "Goddess, Gods, Lords, Divines and any other supernatural creatures" they are in fact commiting the sin.


So what can you do if you commited shirk?

Unlike drinking, lying, stealing etc where you may be forgiven once your dead (Allahu a3lam), dying as a shirk (without repentance) is considered unforgivable


So you should repent:


Repentance from shirk means giving it up and submitting to Allaah alone, regretting one's

neglect of Allaah’s rights and resolving never to go back to it. Allaah says (interpretation

of the meaning):


“Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief), their past will be


[al-Anfaal 8:38]


“If they cease†means, give up their kufr, by submitting to Allaah alone with no partner or

associate. Tafseer al-Sa’di.


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Islam destroys that which

came before it†– i.e., of sins. Narrated by Muslim 121.


The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that the gate of

repentance remains open so long at the death rattle has not reached a person’s throat. He

(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:


“Allaah will accept His slave’s

repentance so long as the death rattle has not yet reached his throat.†(Narrated by al-

Tirmidhi, 3537; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1425.




Finally I want to share this Dua from our Prophet (SAW):




Allaahumma innee ‘aoothu bika an ushrika bika shaiann wa anaa a’lamu, wa

astaghfiruka limaa laa a’lamu.



Translation: O Allah, I seek refuge in You lest I associate anything with You knowingly,

and I seek Your forgiveness for what I know not.



- May Allah be pleased with us all!

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Mashallah it's really long, haha. But I really hope for the muslims to take out 5 minutes of your life to read this very important message!!!

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Loved it! Thank you~


I totally agree with this:

Example when fans refer their bias as "Goddess, Gods, Lords, Divines and any other supernatural creatures" they are in fact commiting the sin.


I've been in Kpop since 2007; I've also been a Yoona bias since 2008 and people often call her and other SNSD members 'Goddess' etc. Alhamdulillah I realised as I became more aware of my deen that those type of comments were shirk. I've never actually said those things online, even before. However, then, I never really saw anything wrong with it when others would write those type of comments but of course now I do.




Speaking of shirk, there were these stupid bracelets/necklaces I saw in Turkey on holiday in Istanbul last year, that supposedly protected people from 'the eye' (3ayn). Blatant SHIRK!

Only Allah can protect us.


To be honest, I was really shocked at how widespread it was, so many shops sell it over there... I've also heard it's pretty big in Morocco too. :unsure:


But yes, thank you for bringing up the topic! May Allah reward you <3



We should have topic of the week or something...

I've seen a lot of muslims do it (not only kpop fans) and it's really heartbreaken they don't know it will infact make you a disbeliever. I wasn't aware of those things and did commit shirk, but Al hamdulillah I've found the will to educate myself about Islam.


Thank you, May Allah reward you too for joining this thread. <3


Yeah we should have topics and make this thread more organized. For example one week we could discuss Judgement day, the other week about our Prophet Muhammed (SAW), The third week about the 5 pillars of Islam, 4th week about gender roles and so on. We could mention a couple of ahadeeths each week, because Islam is a very broad subject.


It's a shame that once the thread disappears from the "Recent Threads" it becomes inactive


We should try our best to keep this thread active even if it's just you and I :)

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sorry dp :/

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i've been wondering about this recently! whether its okay or not to used it. thanks for your reminder! i've used the word goddess so many times but only for fun. but now i know better :smile: will refrained myself after this.

and for my introduction I'm from Malaysia. Full name is Zulaika.

Hello and welcome ^.^


I'm very happy to know it gained you knowledge and it helped you. Hopefully we'll get more information in this thread :)

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are u tryin to shade me cuz i believe kanye west is a God, i will ether u


I'm not trying to shade you girl, I was refering to the fandom (I even bolded that part)

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qurl whatever.


Hi guys! I'm not a a muslim I was raised a catholic, but I kind of consider myself to be agnostic. I would like to ask you what do you guys think about bisexuality ? if you are bisexual or lesbian how do you guys deal with that? I'm half Italian and Hispanic and of course my family think is wrong. I live in Miami and homosexuality and bisexuality are not a big deal here but that doesn't happen everywhere. I was wondering your views about that since most of you are young and probably less judgmental.

Honestly, such topics are controversial. It is clearly stated in the Quran that a homosexuality act is punished (by killing).

I think being gay or lesbian is something, while performing the act is something else.


Personally I don't believe you can choose being homosexual, thus I don't believe that there is a cure for it. If you're gay/lesbian you are and you can't change that. I don't see them as less of human beings nor do I disrespect them.


It's problamatic for the religous homosexual person, because it's times like these where you have to choose your priorities. If I was ever in that position I think I'd choose religion i.e supress my sexual and romantic desire for the same sex and marry someone from the opposite sex regardless of my feeling. I know people, espically non-religious would say "oh wow it sucks" cause it do. It does suck not being able to be with a person you love but I place my religion above everything and don't believe this life on earth is compared to "after life."


BTW, welcome ^.^ You should visit this thread more often

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Everyone just ignore frogy :rolleyes:



<333333 my love for the Quran is infinite! Saad Al Ghamdi's voice is beautiful mashaAllah.


Do any of you have favourite reciters?

Mine are Al Ghamdi, Nasser Al Qatami & Al Afasy.

They all have beautiful voices <333


Every Friday it's recommended to read surat al kahf:


1. From Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, who said: “Whoever reads Soorat al-Kahf on the night of

Jumu’ah, will have a light that will stretch between him and the Ancient House (the


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What's up you guys? I forgot this thread, because homework and such lol..


But I really wanna keep this thread alive, so what do you suggest we do?? We could educate ourselves and the members on this thread or have certains topics to discuss and such

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@Qui; I like the idea you suggested a few pages ago - i.e topic of the week. But in an organized way. like for example we could talk about the basic of Islam like the 5 pillars of Islam, how Islam started, why we are here and so on.. Then we could talk about islamic marriage, islam in the west, sharia law etc and like @Ariya suggested - giving our opinions in regard to those things.


but this is just my opinion. I'd love to hear what you got :)

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Daily reminder: Narrated Abu Huraira (ra): Allah’s Apostle (peace and blessings be upon him) said,

“Whoever says, ‘Subhan Allah wa bihamdihi,’ one hundred times a day, will be

forgiven all his sins even if they were as much as the foam of the sea.â€

Source taken from: Sahih Bukhari, Volume VIII (8), Chapter 67, Hadith 414


Just use 5 minutes everyday saying this, and your sins will be forgiven :)

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Don't Muslims celebrate Christmas? Jesus is one of our prophets, we just don't hype it up as much as Christians do, so i don't think it's wrong to say Merry Christmas to someone.

Jesus is one of our prophet, that's correct :)

Christmas is celebrated because according to Christianity, Jesus was born as Gods son that day. In Islam, it's the sin called Shirk (I wrote about it a few pages ago), which is the biggest and unforgivable sin. Long story short, Shirk is putting someone or something next to God i.e polytheism. We, muslims, do not worship other than God (hence we say: "La illaha ila Allah" -> There is no other than God) so saying something like Jesus is Gods son is haram!! Because there is only God and no other is derserving of being put up in such pedestal (like Christians do with Jesus).


I know thar if some muslims said it, it wasn't due to ill intention. Like, I'm pretty sure no muslims think Jesus is Gods son, but it's just those small things as muslims we have to take of.


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Greeting the kuffaar on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs

is haraam, by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ahkaam Ahl al-

Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to

them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their

festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy

your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from

kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for

prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that.

It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or

murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of

those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do

not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a

person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the

wrath and anger of Allaah."

Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the

extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or

approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those

things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr

or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept

any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): " If you

disbelieve — indeed, Allah is Free from need of you. And He does not

approve for His servants disbelief. And if you are grateful, He approves [i.e.

likes] it for you. . ." [Quran 39:7]

". . . This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor

upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. . ." [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues

at work or otherwise.

If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not

respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not

festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations

in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed

formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which

Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to

the whole of mankind. Allaah Says (what means): " And whoever desires

other than Islam as religion-never will it be accepted from him, and he, in

the Hereafter, will be among the losers. " [Quran 3:85]

It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions,

because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part

in their celebrations.

Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties

on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or

taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of

Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them."

Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-

mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem: "Imitating them in some of

their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and

practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity

to humiliate and mislead the weak."

Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of

politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for

whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because

it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.

Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their

religion, to help them adhere steadfastly to it, and to make them

victorious over their enemies, for He is the Strong and Omnipotent.


cr: http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=156439

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That's not true. Christmas is celebrated because Jesus was born. Period. (I know what Shirk is, im Muslim lol, but no one is saying Jesus is God's son (istagfurallah), they're just saying merry christmas)

It may be haram to say merry christmas if you're thinking about it the same way the Christians are, but i dont think it is shirk to acknowledge that one of our prophets was born that day or near that day. Merry is happy, christmas is 'day jesus was born', so basically you're saying happy day that jesus was born, and there is nothing wrong with that. But i wouldnt really say it, because it might be taken the wrong way. But if im obviously Muslim, im not saying anything wrong or saying i dont believe in God (Istagfurallah) just by saying that. Christmas doesnt belong only to Christians, it is the day that Jesus, Isa (SAW), was born. We dont really celebrate because most Muslims dont celebrate birthdays of anyone, but some hang reefs and stuff. It's not that big of a deal to us, but i dont think its haram to acknowledge that Isa (SAW) was born that day.


So i guess most Muslims dont say merry christmas or have big holidays, but it is okay to acknowledge the day, correct? :smile:

First of all, about the bold part: Yes and no. These days Christmas has become a tradition more than a religous celebration right? However, it IS a Christian holiday. True, our prophet Isa was born on that day, but we don't or never did celebrate our prophets birthdays thus this holiday is not ours. And yes, our prophet was born on this day, but again this is a Christian belief and according to Christian Jesus was born on this day too BUT he was born as Gods son. It's true that they don't exactly celebrate him as Gods son, but when he was born that day - he was born as Gods son (Istagfurallah).

I'm sorry, I don't know if it's okay to acknowledge. But I hoped my answer helped haha :)


I saw a lot of my muslim friends on facebook writing "Merry Christmas" and such a while ago so I did a lot of research and just came to this conclusion that muslims can only celebrate our two holidays (which is the Eids) and saying merry christmas is haram because you're congratulating the kufr on their belief. It was a little hard for me, because I live in an European country where 95% of my classmates are non-muslims and celebrate Christmas. They invited me to Christmas and such but I just said I had to visit my other family haha. It's kind of tough, because I don't want to seem rude so when Christmas holiday is up I'm just going to say: "Gonna miss you all!" so I wont sound rude lol.

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I said or around that date...


i also heard that in some arab countries they hang reefs around that time...


Also, there may not be a point in celebrating or acknowledging it, i just dont think its haraam to do so


Yea but only Christians celebrate it as if he was born as "god's son", we dont have to believe that or think that when Muslims says merry christmas (isnt this kind of stuff judged on what the person's intention was?)... its just a phrase/not a bad phrase, and it doesnt mean anything haraam at all... Thats all im trying to say.

You were asking, what do you think about Muslims saying merry christmas and i dont think its haraam or shirk, thats all lol.


Idk though, maybe you're right, allahooh ahlam... i never said it anyways lol :smile:





Btw where r u guys from? Does it say it in the OP?

Also has anyone been to hajj and wanna share their experience? :ninja:


just casually sneaking topics in here


I don't say it either (anymore), just to be on the safe side lol xD


I was born & live in Denmark now, but I'm Palestine from Lebanon (if that makes sense lol)


I've never been to Hajj :( Inshallah one day

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Actually I've been long wanting to ask opinions from muslim (especially women) about the different roles in marriage.


(This is long)


The Islamic Sharee'ah stresses that the wife is under the obligation of obeying her husband. This remains unless he commands her to disobey Allaah

The Exalted. She is required to

obey him and exert her utmost effort to fulfill his needs in a way that makes him satisfied

and thankful. This is supported by the Hadeeth where the Prophet, , said :“If the woman performs the five daily prayers, fasts the month of Ramadan, maintains her chastity and obeys her husband, she will enter the Paradise of her

Lord.†Likewise, Allaah The Exalted Says (what means): { But if they obey

you [once more], seek no means against them. } [Quran 4:34] Moreover,

the Prophet, , said: “Were I to order anyone to prostrate himself before anyone else, I would have ordered the woman to prostrate

herself before her husband.â€


Obedience is the first right that Islam acknowledges for the husband over his wife. She is required to obey him in everything unless he

commands her to do an act of disobedience. The Prophet, , said: “No creature should be obeyed when it comes to disobeying the



Consequently, she is required to obey him when he commands, fulfill his request when he orders, abstain when he forbids and respond when

he advises. If he commands her not to allow a certain person, whether he is a relative or not, a Mahram or non- Mahram , to enter his home

when he is absent, she is required to obey him. The Messenger of Allaah, , said: “Indeed, you have a right over your wives, and your

wives have a right over you. As for the right that you have over them, it

is to disallow anyone whom you dislike to enter your houses.â€


Obeying the Husband is Equal to Jihaad


There are many Sharee'ah texts indicating the greatness of the husband's right over his wife. In a Hadeeth on the authority of Ibn

‘Abbaas it was mentioned that a woman came to the Prophet, ,

and said, “ O Messenger of Allaah, I am a delegate [from a group of]

women and there are none of them, whether she knows or does not

know that I would come to you, except she would want me to come to

you. Allaah The Almighty is the Lord of both men and women and their

God, and you are the Messenger of Allaah, for both men and women.

Allaah has prescribed Jihaad for men only; if they are victorious, their

reward is great, and if they die as martyrs, they are alive with their Lord, receiving sustenance. [For women], which act of obedience is equal in reward to this?†The Messenger of Allaah, , replied:

“Obeying their husbands and (being aware of and) fulfilling their rights; and few of you do that.†[At-Tabaraani and ‘Abdul-Raaziq] Here, the

Messenger of Allaah, , equated the reward of making Jihaad to that of the wife obeying her husband.


Obedient Wives

The wife who knows her religious duties towards her husband is fully aware of the importance of obeying her husband. Mrs. Maha Jaabir

says, “In order to provide the family with an atmosphere of security,

protection, stability and affection, the wife is required to obey her husband in everything that is useful and beneficial. This would help to

create sound humans who would go through life far removed from disturbances or imbalances. In return, Islam gave the woman her full

right and made it obligatory on the husband to honor his wife,

safeguard her rights and provide an honorable life for her in order to be

obedient and loving."



Mrs. Khadeejah Hijaazi says,


One may find obedience a heavy burden; however, the wife is rewarded according to the extent of her readiness to be

obedient and her sincerity in fulfilling the obligations of such obedience. The Messenger of Allaah, , praised women and

clarified that the services they perform and the sacrifices they make in terms of their emotions and energies can be made by

no one else. They were created to perform a sublime and important duty, and in return Allaah The Exalted Has prepared a

great reward for them. This reward would not be completed except with the wife’s obedience to her husband, satisfying him

and avoiding what he dislikes.


Mrs. Hanaa‘ As-Saalih says, “The man is in charge of the family. He takes care of it and observes the morals of its members and its affairs.

Hence, all the members of the family are required to obey him. He is charged with the burdens of the family and working to provide for it

and fulfill its needs. In this way, the family is organized on the basis

that there is a caretaker and a commander, on one hand, and subjects

who listen and obey on the other.â€


However, the obedience that is obligatory on the wife to her husband is

not blind obedience or obedience without restrictions, conditions or

limits. Rather, it is the obedience of the righteous wife to the righteous

and pious husband whose personality she trusts and believes in his

sincerity and righteousness.

Obedience that is based on consultation

and mutual understanding promotes the entity of the family and its

conditions and reinforces its foundations and strength.


The spouses are advised to consult each other with regard to all family

affairs. Indeed, there is no consultant better than a faithful and

truthful wife. She supports her husband, guides him with her emotions,

protects him with her instinct and provides him with her opinion. The

Messenger of Allaah, , would consult his wives and follow their

opinion in important matters. He consulted his wife, Umm Salamah

in a most critical situation. Her consultation and wise opinion were

important in putting an end to that crisis and returning matters to




The wife is financially independent from the husband. Islam has protected woman’s

independent personality and ensured her full capability to be financially independent

from her husband.


The husband is financially fully responsible for his wife. Poor or rich, her living costs

are estimated in proportion to her husband's financial ability. The Qur'an puts it thus:"

Let the rich man spend according to his means". (Surah 65:7).


He is obliged to provide her with food, clothes, a place to live and medical treatment

according to his environment, conditions and income. Muslim scholars said that if a

man does not support his wife financially then she has the right for a divorce.

The Prophet, greetings and peace be upon him, said stating the rights of women, "You

are obliged to provide them with food and clothes honourably". Honourably here means

what is conventional according to people of faith and honour, without extravagance or


( Transmitted by Abu Dawud (1905); Ibn Majah (3074); Al-Doramy in Kittab Al-Mannish

p.440 on the authority of Jabber; Ahmad 5/73 on the authority of Abu Gara Al-Raqashi's




This is ofc not all, but it's late and I'm tired haha.


I want to adress this misunderstood issue in Islam: wifw beating. But I feel like my post has gotten too long.


source: http://www.alsiraj.net/English/misc/women/html/page14.html and http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=articles&id=149397

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you placed in us, and we

implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.


The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived by many people who focus merely on

its surface meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the setting is not taken into account,

it isolates the words in a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning. Before dealing with

the issue of wife-battering in the perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the original

Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the

translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it.

Commenting on this issue, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of

North America, states:

"According to Quran the relationship between the husband and wife should be based on

mutual love and kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you

mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love

and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum



The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says: “Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a

dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal

of good.†(Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

It is important that a wife recognizes the authority of her husband in the house. He is the head

of the household, and she is supposed to listen to him. But the husband should also use his

authority with respect and kindness towards his wife. If there arises any disagreement or

dispute among them, then it should be resolved in a peaceful manner. Spouses should seek the

counsel of their elders and other respectable family members and friends to batch up the rift

and solve the differences.


However, in some cases a husband may use some light disciplinary action in order to correct

the moral infraction of his wife, but this is only applicable in extreme cases and it should be

resorted to if one is sure it would improve the situation. However, if there is a fear that it

might worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then he should avoid

it completely.


Quran is very clear on this issue. Almighty Allah says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers

of women, because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they

support them from their means. Therefore, the righteous women are devoutly obedient and

guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them to guard. As to those women on

whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share

their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them

means (of annoyance); for Allah is most High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach

between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family and the other from hers. If

they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full knowledge and is

acquainted with all things." (Quran: An-Nisaa 34-35)


It is important to read the section fully. One should not take part of the verse and use it to

justify one's own misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor condones it. It guides us

to ways to handle delicate family situation with care and wisdom. The word "beating" is used in

the verse, but it does not mean "physical abuse".


The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) explained it "dharban

ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that leaves no mark". He further said that face must

be avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is no more than a light touch by siwak,

or toothbrush.


Generally, the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) used to discourage his followers from taking even this

measure. He never hit any female, and he used to say that the best of men are those who do

not hit their wives. In one Hadith he expressed his extreme repulsion from this behavior and

said, "How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace

(sleep with) her?†(Al-Bukhari, English Translation, vol. 8, Hadith 68, pp. 42-43)


It is also important to note that even this "light strike" mentioned in the verse is not to be used

to correct some minor problem, but it is permissible to resort to only in a situation of some

serious moral misconduct when admonishing the wife fails, and avoiding from sleeping with

her would not help. If this disciplinary action can correct a situation and save the marriage,

then one should use it."


Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a

cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management,


"If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, the husband may exhort her and appeal for

reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient. In cases where the problem

persists, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a

separate bed from hers. There are cases, however, in which a wife persists in bad habits and

showing contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations. Instead of divorce,

the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some

cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on

the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one.



It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness

and good treatment. Based on Quran and Hadith, this measure may be used in the cases of

lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's

reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then, other measures, such as

exhortation, should be tried first.


b. As defined by Hadith, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm or

even be harsh. What the Hadith qualifies as "dharban ghayra mubarrih", or light striking, was

interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of siwak! They further qualified permissible

"striking" as that which leaves no mark on the body.


c . The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction

does not imply its desirability. In several Hadiths, the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) discouraged this

measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard:


"Do not beat the female servants of Allah";


"Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These

(husbands) are not the best of you."


In another Hadith the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) is reported to have said: “How does anyone of you

beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?â€


d. True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) who never

resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.


e. Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of

diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and

cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a

"permissible" act is neither required, encouraged or forbidden. In fact it may be to spell out

the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted or

unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may

interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.


f . Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any "Muslim" can never be

traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Quran or Hadith). Such excesses and violations are to

be blamed on the person (s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic

teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (p.b.u.h.)."


Allah Almighty knows best.




I wanted to share this with you, because I feel like this is a very misunderstood subject. In Islam, wife "beating" simply means a "gently tap." Nothing more, nothing less. You can't cause any physical harm in the face or in the body, so no bruises. Also this type of measure should only be used in extreme.situations. Many scholars agree that the it should feel like being hit by a tooth brush. Our Prophet Muhammed (SAW) discouraged his followers in "beating" their wife and he never once hit a wom

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^ thank you so much hun for clearing it all up, I get so frustrated when non-muslims bring up this particular topic. They misinterpret verses to fit their opinions.


Have you seen this video vero moda?


I swear, I thought I posted a reply to this :lol:


Anyways, I really love video like these. I'm going to watch some more his, really gives me strenght. thanks for sharing Qui <3


So let us keep this thread alive :-)


How many of you live in a western country? And how do you feel being a muslim is like these days? (wether you live in a Islamic, Christian etc country)


I live in Scandinavia (Denmark) and there a lot of Islamophobes here. In the news, they always report about the bad thing muslims or people with another ethnical heriage do. The media around the world have done a great job painting a perfect picture of muslims being terriost and doing so much harm in this world! Unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant people that get their only sources (about muslim) from the media and use it against us. What's worse is when you wear a hijab you just feel everyone staring down on you it's so uncomfortable.

Also I feel like this country is purposely trying to make the life of a muslim UNNECESSARY hard. For example a few years ago they draw our prophet saw (astargfaruallah) and they keep on insulting our religion and then turn around and call it "freedom of speech." Really? So trash talking a very sensitive topic for many is considered freedom of speech? It's extremly ridiculos. Also we had our first moseque recently and you get this huge opposition.


Thankfully I've learned to deal with it. Our Prophet Muhammed (saw) warned us about this world being a prisoner for us believers and a paradise for dibeliever.


/sigh, I usually don't like ranting about stuff like that, because I know everyone get hate. It's just I feel like we get so much unnecessary hate for no reason.

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Salaam! My name is sitara!

I'm afghan-american. :)

I'm new to these forums. I'm really glad I saw this thread

Welcome to this thread :)

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Name:Muhammad Adnan

Age: 20

Nationality/Ethinicity: Pakistani.

hello everyone and assalam-alaikum, :smile: ............i'll just lurk here from time to time,lol :ninja: ,btw thanks for making this thread,its very knowledgeable :smile: .

OMG Heeeeeeey! :)

You're muslim???! :0 I never knew that lol!

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Too busy with dat OH kpop life to actually show it.lol :._.:

lol it's just that I see you a lot here posting abot Miss A so I was a little suprised xD

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Salaams. ^^



W ralikum A Salam :) Tell us about yourself?




Yesterday night things were going horribly wrong for me. You see back in November, I got out a contract out for a friend of mine and she wasn't able to afford to pay for it anymore so she stopped paying for it, I was the one getting in trouble for it, the one all her debt was going to, I was told I had to pay up. I felt so wronged. It was like this since December and I couldn't find a way out nor a solution but just yesterday, I asked for Allah subhana wa ta'ala's guidance.


I was awake until 3 or 4 in the morning just crying and praying that God would help me because this whole situation was taking a huge toll in my life. I wasn't able to sleep or eat properly for so long, I'd gotten so depressed and sad and I had lost all hope because I was getting in debt and my parents were getting stressed and I felt so so bad.


Yesterday night, I honestly cried my heart out and then I thought to myself how could Allah ever answer MY callings? I hadn't prayed properly for almost two years, I said I hated Islam, I said that the Quran contradicted itself, even on the first page of the forum I expressed my dislike towards Islam and how strict it was. I said many horrible things and committed so many sins, theft, disobedience against parents, lying and the list goes on. I thought it was impossible for Allah to answer the prayers of a person like me, that Allah would refuse to answer my prayers. I was angry at myself for even having the nerve to ask. I couldn't believe I only thought of Allah when I needed help but this didn't stop me. I stumbled across these and they gave me hope so I continued to pray to Allah.





And the most incredible thing happened to me, what I was after for so long, the only thing I wanted all this time, the only way I could resolve this matter Allah gave it to me, I can't exactly put it in to words but Allah gave me EXACTLY what I was looking for. And after this day I will never ever doubt Islam or the Quran. I know I probably don't make much sense but I guess what I'm trying to say that person as crappy as me prayed to Allah and Allah answered my prayers when I thought it was so impossible. Allahu Akbar, I really feel so touched by this. I vow to become a better Muslim


Allah really is the greatest.


Subhanallah. This is such a beautiful story, I'm very happy for you. <3<3<3<3 I've been in the same situation and I felt so uncomfortable asking God for anything whenever I needed it. Alhamdulillah this year I became a much better muslim.


- Allah is indeed the greatest, the merciest and the most forgiven!


" Yusuf Ali : When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen

to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen

to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way." 2:186


I think it's good to have events like these to change our lives and inforce our belief in God. I'm really happy for you. The best thing to do is to make tawba and ask for forgiveness.


"In fact, He loves to pardon and forgive, ‘Allah loves those who do repentance ‘Tawba' [2:222]



The Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him (disbeliever), and he will dwell

therein in ignominy,- unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will

change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And

whoever repents and does good has truly turned to Allah with an (acceptable) conversion.

—Quran , Sura 25 (Al-Furqan), ayah 69-71


Allah's Apostle said, "Allah is more pleased with the repentance of His slave than anyone of

you is pleased with finding his camel which he had lost in the desert."

— Sahih al-Bukhari , 8:75:321


Prophet (saw) said "Whoever says 'Subhan-Allahi wa bihamdihi' (Allah is free from imperfection and to Him belongs all the praise) 100 times a day, all his sins will be wiped out even if they are equal

to the extent of the foam of the ocean.''

[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

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Congrats habibte :*


- @ The NXT Sentinel: Sorry, I did not see your post earlier, but like @mae and @ss_xogen said, we are only suppose to celebrate 2 holidays. Actually my cousin sent me video clips from Lebanon where men were holding flags and yelling "Allah" and singing anasheed for our prophet (saw). I asked my mum about it and she said it's not permissible.


And hello to all the new muslims members, really happy knowing we have this many muslims around here :)

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