Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whenever the question, "is JYP in the BIG3 anymore" arises, K-pop fans are quick to say, because of their influence of course, which is true however opposing K-pop fans are quick to reply "VAT ABT DSP!11!!11" Today I will (try) to explain why DSP dropped so fast and why JYP wont, at least soon If I get any facts or shit wrong then @ me because humans make mistakes fam A Timeline of DSP vs JYP Pre-Idol JYP Park Jin Young [1994] First Generation DSP Sechs Kies [1997] Fin.K.L [1998] JYP G.O.D [1999] All of these groups were majorly successful and will always be known as legends DSP Click-B [1999] They debuted under DSP but attained little to no success and certainly did not compare to G.O.D who were million-sellers and the "Nation's Boy Group" at the time DSP Lee Hyori [2003] JYP Rain [2002] Though both of these solo acts were equally or similarly successful in korea, Rain had more of a global influence because he had two sold out performances at Madison Square Garden in 2006 and he was also the first K-pop idol to perform at Tokyo Dome in 2007, he also starred in a Hollywood movie Second Generation DSP SS501 [2005] SS501 were extremely successful in South Korea and attained loyal fans globally however there was no actual impact globally JYP Wonder Girls [2007] DSP KARA [2007] Both of these groups are legendary and contributed equally to the Hallyu Wave Wonder Girls are the first and only South Korean girl group to chart on Billboard and their song 'Nobody' created waves all over the world, they became Korea's national girl group with other hits like 'Tell Me' and 'So Hot' whilst KARA were/are the number 1 Korean girl group in Japan and performed in Tokyo Dome, paving ways for future Korean ventures. JYP 2PM [2008] 2AM [2008] DSP AST'1 [2008] 2PM were a top boy group at their peak through the success of songs such as 'Heartbeat' 'Again and Again' 'Hands Up', even their debut song '10 out of 10' was well-received 2AM were also a popular ballad group through the success of songs like "Cant Let You Go Even If I Die" and others 2PM also have a huge global influence as they are one of the top Korean boy groups in Japan, as this 2015 year-end chart shows: whereas AST'1.... yall decide.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 JYP miss A [2010] DSP Rainbow [2009] Miss A are the fastest girl group to win #1 on music shows and digital charts upon debut, they also won a daesang UPON debut. After their debut, they were successful with songs such as 'Good Bye Baby' 'Breathe' and 'Touch' although 'I don't need a man' and 'Hush' were not received as well as their previous tracks, Only You achieved a perfect all-kill making miss A the only 5 groups in Korea to attain it and surpassed a million or two million downloads Rainbow..... #SupportWHOO2k16 Third Generation DSP A-JAX [2012] Puretty [2012] JYP 15& [2012] A-JAX are still struggling whilst Puretty failed to fulfill their purpose of being popular in Japan and disbanded Meanwhile, 15& were received well at debut due to K-pop star and amazing vocals, their 2015 single 'Love is Madness' reached #1 on the charts and an all-kill as well, Park Jimin's solo debut charted in the Top 10 whilst Baek Yerin's solo debuted in the Top 10 and remains comfortably between the Top 30 or Top 20 despite being released in November DSP April [2015] JYP GOT7 [2014] TWICE [2015] DAY6 [2015] yall can decide for this one, who had the bigger impact and who is more popular nationally and internationally, I'm just gonna drop some receipts and Fineapples can argue against me with other receipts if they wish http://www.allkpop.com/forums/discussion/484310/twice-tops-music-charts-in-hong-kong-taiwan-singapore-and-malaysia-with-like-ooh-ahh http://www.helloasia.com.au/news/rookie-rock-group-day6-to-hold-first-fan-meeting-in-usa/ https://sg.celebrity.yahoo.com/post/135166571369/day6-to-successfully-put-an-end-to-showcase-in They're all obviously rookies yet and the future is uncertain but as of now... TL;DR: DSP dropped the ball too quick and JYP were/are relevant to the point that previous successes cannot be and have not been replicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICETERO 9,070 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whenever I see AST1 I have to think of poor inkyu who passed away rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussySlayedByTzuyu 7,430 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 This is one long as thread. WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Whenever I see AST1 I have to think of poor inkyu who passed away rip oh never knew someone passed away, rip.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceprince 2,268 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 DSP's groups have been flops after Kara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICETERO 9,070 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 oh never knew someone passed away, rip.. don't want to ruin this thread but he died young at 24 bc of cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Lipington 3,562 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Dang I didnt even know DSP debuted some of these groups and I considered myself such a stan of KARA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeandfries 1,300 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I've never really heard any say DSP is JYP replacement in the Big 3. Usually I hear names like Cube, or starship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deea 6,754 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wait,I had no clue G.O.D was in jype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 I've never really heard any say DSP is JYP replacement in the Big 3. Usually I hear names like Cube, or starship basically, people say that jyp can be replaced with someone like fnc, cube etc lmao because dsp dropped too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katoe 5,170 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 AST1 But yeah after KARA, DSP has really lost their footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 the point of this thread is, jyp havent gotten to the point of floppage like dsp that they need to be replaced like dsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphine 20,871 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Well, this was a great insight into the history of both companies. I wish there was more in depths history of all current companies like this one, would put a lot of thing into a new light. As for DSP... Yeah,, it hurts that after Kara, they pretty much stopped being relevant. I wonder if this was due to a change in leadership style, change in CEO, change in vision for the company, or just complete lack of luck. Either way, it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortex 7,015 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 dsp used to be able to compete with sm, but they have really lost a lot they still produced some of the most legendary groups/soloists in kpop but now i don't even they can compete w/ some of the smaller agencies hope all of these groups can gain success. jype definitely has been stable and produced a lot of legendary groups in kpop i don't think they can be replaced as easy. i don't think people think dsp would take jype spot. dsp used to be in the big 4 (sm yg jyp dsp) until around the mid 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 dsp used to be able to compete with sm, but they have really lost a lot they still produced some of the most legendary groups/soloists in kpop but now i don't even they can compete w/ some of the smaller agencies hope all of these groups can gain success. jype definitely has been stable and produced a lot of legendary groups in kpop i don't think they can be replaced as easy. i don't think people think dsp would take jype spot. dsp used to be in the big 4 (sm yg jyp dsp) until around the mid 2000s. people dont think dsp can take jyp's spot but people think that jyp's spot can be taken easily because dsp's spot was taken oh so many years ago before the hallyu wave peaked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yume 3,886 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 DSP dropped out of being one of the top kpop companies since Kara, all their other groups since haven't done well. Also SS501 are second generation, groups that debuted in the 90's are generally considered first generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 DSP dropped out of being one of the top kpop companies since Kara, all their other groups since haven't done well. Also SS501 are second generation, groups that debuted in the 90's are generally considered first generation. thanks, lemme just edit that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyk 299 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was only a fan of Kara but because of Fin.k.l i remember they were considered a top company YG still wasn't there. DSP, I feel like it relied to much on Kara which is kinda bad since Rainbow was neglected and now they don't have a top idol group, well as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oodles 13,187 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat of The Canals 8,842 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wow that's a lot of work OP, thanks for the history lesson! It's funny how people think that JYP is easily replacable. As you have shown, having good sales is a factor of being in the big 3 (it has always been) but what's important is the influence. JYPE has produced so many influential artists and even their new gen groups seem to be rising, with Twice having quite the impressive debut sales. GOT7 has a huge international following and if they only got a hit to get that public recognition/ korean fanbase growing.....Even JYP, himself, continues to have some influence in the industry. People know who he is; the name of the company carries a certain presence that other companies outside of the big 3 don't. But I await another "why is JYP in the big 3" thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jisootney Kimuston 127 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 So? what are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyk 299 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wow that's a lot of work OP, thanks for the history lesson! It's funny how people think that JYP is easily replacable. As you have shown, having good sales is a factor of being in the big 3 (it has always been) but what's important is the influence. JYPE has produced so many influential artists and even their new gen groups seem to be rising, with Twice having quite the impressive debut sales. GOT7 has a huge international following and if they only got a hit to get that public recognition/ korean fanbase growing.....Even JYP, himself, continues to have some influence in the industry. People know who he is; the name of the company carries a certain presence that other companies outside of the big 3 don't. But I await another "why is JYP in the big 3" thread That's true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder. 4,181 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 So? what are you trying to say? the point of this thread is, jyp havent gotten to the point of floppage like dsp that they need to be replaced like dsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Is there a problem? 1,000 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 jyp is pleb taste. and comparing it to a company with unsuccessful talents lol anything to making a pile of shit look good i guess. how about comparing them to YG or SM? lets see how they compare then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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