A question for the Muslims of OH

[DocumentaLy]

Do you separate yourselves based on where you are from? Like if you see someone talking shit about Muslim migrants doing bad things in Europe, if you're from South Asia or Southeast Asia, would you make it a point to say "They're from the Middle East though..." Because I know that a lot of Muslims in the Middle East do separate themselves from non-Middle Eastern Muslims and look down on them, especially Muslims from South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. Or do you really believe that all Muslims are united, even though we are often shown otherwise, such as how the Gulf states want nothing to do with the migrants.

[Deâ„“phina]

My parents do not separate themselves from others by region in the way that they don't consider say a SEA Muslim much different than a sub-Saharan one religion-wise. They just call all the terrorists "American/West-supported fake Muslim lunatics".

Also, #mess at you forgetting North Africa.

 

EDIT : Also, what is this double-standards about identifying Muslims by their religion first and everyone else with their ethnicity/nationality ? No one would ever ask something like "Christians of OH, do you differentiate yourself from Christians living in countries thousands of miles away and who have different languages, cultures and opinions from you ?". Well, of course fucking yes. Religion is just one facet of one's identity.

[Gondry]

I don't separate each country's muslims because I look down on them, but because of the way islam is practiced in different countries.

For exemple, Saudi Arabia are overly strict, so if someone speaks shit about how muslim women aren't allowed to drive (for example), I'd separate myself for them because my country doesn't treat women like that and give them a higher position (although still not very good but we're more free)

[Kuu-sus]

all religions self-segregate tbh

 

in America seperate churches, in Israel....they is a huge rife between European/American descent Jews and Arab/African/Persian Jews, Buddhism is like totally different depending on the region

 

its kinda of ironic tbh 

[nedenben]

I wouldn't do that to look down upon other Muslims. But I agree with @candyg about what they said. I am from a matriarchal so in subjects like that I separate myself.

[bluecottoncandy]

Nah, I feel united with all Muslims, I'm an Indian Muslim but I grew up in a neighbourhood that was mostly filled with Arab and Pakistani Muslims and I never felt any "wall". 

[DocumentaLy]

My parents do not separate themselves from others by region. They just call all the terrorists "American/West-supported fake Muslim lunatics".

Also, #mess at you forgetting North Africa.

 

But what do you do?

 

And I also didn't mention Central Asia, but I don't see them complaining...

 

 

I don't separate each country's muslims because I look down on them, but because of the way islam is practiced in different countries.

For exemple, Saudi Arabia are overly strict, so if someone speaks shit about how muslim women aren't allowed to drive (for example), I'd separate myself for them because my country doesn't treat women like that and give them a higher position (although still not very good but we're more free)

 

Where are you from?

[hilmanelric]

Do you separate yourselves based on where you are from? Like if you see someone talking shit about Muslim migrants doing bad things in Europe, if you're from South Asia or Southeast Asia, would you make it a point to say "They're from the Middle East though..." Because I know that a lot of Muslims in the Middle East do separate themselves from non-Middle Eastern Muslims and look down on them, especially Muslims from South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa. Or do you really believe that all Muslims are united, even though we are often shown otherwise, such as how the Gulf states want nothing to do with the migrants.

not really...but we do different with the "cult" muslim like ahmadiyah and syiah because the syahadat is different

they more worship their imam than God, even though they do the same praying

even if you are non syiah and pray in their mosque when you leave every place you touch will be wiped by them like we are a plague (my brother in law experienced it)

[SAYAKA]

i separate them based off of culture rather than religion because the culture of a good chunk of Muslims (if not all) from certain regions influences they way they conduct themselves along with religion. For example, Arabs (from certain countries) tend to be a little more restrictive culturally so if they do things a certain way it's important to note that I am Muslim as well but we aren't nearly as restrictive. 

 

With your example of the migrants it's not an issue of me saying that they are "Middle-Eastern Muslims though" it's more accurate to just note that if they fuck up in Europe that's on their character them being Muslim doesn't really mean much to me. 

 

I still feel more united with Muslims in a sense. I don't feel different around them even though we all hail from different parts of the world. 

[DocumentaLy]

all religions self-segregate tbh

 

in America seperate churches, in Israel....they is a huge rife between European/American descent Jews and Arab/African/Persian Jews, Buddhism is like totally different depending on the region

 

its kinda of ironic tbh 

 

This is true. Like I don't feel a connection with Evangelicals because they're pretty much all white, so my Christian experience is very different compared to theirs. 

 

The question arose because I see a lot of Muslims here saying "not all Muslims" a lot in regards to things like terrorism, so it makes me wonder, if you're not of Middle Eastern descent, why associate yourselves with these people just because you have the same religion? Why not say "That's a Middle Eastern Muslim issue..." instead?

[Deâ„“phina]

But what do you do?

 

And I also didn't mention Central Asia, but I don't see them complaining...

 

 

 

Where are you from?

I'm not a Muslim.

Or South-East Europe btw. It's just an interesting choice of examples you had.

[Bitchcraft]

I'm from North Africa originally, and in my social sphere back when i used to live there, everyone drank, smoked weed, had sex etc.

I feel like my original country is just muslim in name tbh with the shit going on there. From my experience, poor people are more likely to be strict tbh (just my opinion of my country ok)

 

 

I do separate myself from muslims from other places, because i feel like most muslim countries are way too strict, i really couldn't live there at all, i already hate going back to my country in north africa because of this, when it's a pretty liberal country, i think I wouldn't step foot in any country in the middle east ever, i don't agree with the way they see islam and women and basically everything.

 

 

Turkey is cool though, i wanna visit.

 

Oh wait, did i go off topic

I think i did

Sorry

[DocumentaLy]

 

i separate them based off of culture rather than religion because the culture of a good chunk of Muslims (if not all) from certain regions influences they way they conduct themselves along with religion. For example, Arabs (from certain countries) tend to be a little more restrictive culturally so if they do things a certain way it's important to note that I am Muslim as well but we aren't nearly as restrictive. 

 

With your example of the migrants it's not an issue of me saying that they are "Middle-Eastern Muslims though" it's more accurate to just note that if they fuck up in Europe that's on their character them being Muslim doesn't really mean much to me. 

 

I still feel more united with Muslims in a sense. I don't feel different around them even though we all hail from different parts of the world. 

 

 

But if you made the point of saying that they're Middle Eastern and you're not, wouldn't that just be easier than having to defend your religion?

[DocumentaLy]

I'm not a Muslim.

Or South-East Europe btw. It's just an interesting choice of examples you had.

 

So what are you?

 

I just picked random places...

[Gondry]

But what do you do?

 

And I also didn't mention Central Asia, but I don't see them complaining...

 

 

 

Where are you from?

Morocco (North Africa)

[SAYAKA]

This is true. Like I don't feel a connection with Evangelicals because they're pretty much all white, so my Christian experience is very different compared to theirs. 

 

The question arose because I see a lot of Muslims here saying "not all Muslims" a lot in regards to things like terrorism, so it makes me wonder, if you're not of Middle Eastern descent, why associate yourselves with these people just because you have the same religion? Why not say "That's a Middle Eastern Muslim issue..." instead?

 

because the world doesn't see it like that. Also it's an understanding that Islam is one between Muslims from every part of the world. So when one group fucks up it's seen as every follower fucks up. You are right that the terrorism we see with ISIS and Al Qaeda and all the other networks in that region is a Middle Eastern problem since religion isn't always the agenda behind these terrorist groups. But because of backlash we aren't able to treat it and see it as a separate region problem. 

[Deâ„“phina]

So what are you?

 

I just picked random places...

Agnostic.

 

No choice is random.

[kween♡slayna]

I don't mean to offend any Middle Eastern person but Arabs from the ME are really rude and obnoxious. They look down on anyone who isn't Middle Eastern or White and are really rude in general(Obviously not all but the vast majority are, and I'm speaking from experience so don't shove the old "we r not like dat tho!!1!1111" excuse down my throat). Arab people have a superiority complex or something, they think they're superior when in reality most Muslims have a really bad name because of them. Anything the Middle Easterners do, all Muslims get blamed for it. I feel like their way of thinking is very different from that of other Muslims. People may not agree but the Muslims of India, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines etc can be VERY open minded and accepting while it's not the case with Arab states in the ME. There have been documentaries made on the poor treatment of other Asians in Middle Eastern states such as the Khaleeji states and Lebanon. I also came across this post and thought it would be appropriate for me to share it here:

 

I think Arab Supremacy is not talked about enough and it is something I feel strongly about. Racism in Arab countries against South Asians and East Asians, as well as black people is seen as common and expected. It is normal for staff to treat customers who aren’t white or Arab themselves poorly, and not to mention the horrific treatment of the domestic workers and construction workers, who are completely ignored and basically have very little rights once they start working for Arab families. Racism in Arab countries is swept under the rug and tolerated. Arabs adopt a mentality similar to white people and develop superiority complexes, this has a lot to do with their skin colour, as anti blackness is rampant in Arab culture as well. It is so common to see blatant racism from Arabs openly on twitter and there seems to be little to no backlash. Why are they excused from their racist views?

There are documentaries made about racism in Arab countries, Lebanon being infamous for it’s racism as well as the Khaleeji states (U.A.E, Qatar, Bahrain) whose ugly truths are hidden behind their attempts to constantly show off their country as luxurious resorts. White people visiting these countries (especially Dubai) will LOVE the way they are treated, because they come only second to Arabs and retain their white privilege. However, people with more melanin (especially Asians) will find their situations are not the same.

 

 

I myself am Kashmiri and have spent most years of my life living in the ME and I can't say I enjoyed it, I'm not going to imply that ALL Middle Easterners/Arabs are the same but the reality is that MOST of them are even though there are those that are more positive, accepting and not very hateful. And I'm sure if you were to ask any South Asian/SE Asian who has lived there or currently lives there they'll tell you that they've had to face racism/hate speech atleast once in all the years/months that they've spent living there. And even though there's a huge amount of Asians living in the ME with countries like USE having more than 53% South Asians, the conditions don't really seem to improve.

[kween♡slayna]

I'm from North Africa originally, and in my social sphere back when i used to live there, everyone drank, smoked weed, had sex etc.

I feel like my original country is just muslim in name tbh with the shit going on there. From my experience, poor people are more likely to be strict tbh (just my opinion of my country ok)

 

 

I do separate myself from muslims from other places, because i feel like most muslim countries are way too strict, i really couldn't live there at all, i already hate going back to my country in north africa because of this, when it's a pretty liberal country, i think I wouldn't step foot in any country in the middle east ever, i don't agree with the way they see islam and women and basically everything.

 

 

Turkey is cool though, i wanna visit.

 

Oh wait, did i go off topic

I think i did

Sorry

 

This, tbh. Where I'm from, k think people are Muslim only in name because most of what they do, doesn't really reflect what Islam teaches but then again, I wouldn't call myself a Muslim so I don't think I can speak lol

[DocumentaLy]

 

because the world doesn't see it like that. Also it's an understanding that Islam is one between Muslims from every part of the world. So when one group fucks up it's seen as every follower fucks up. You are right that the terrorism we see with ISIS and Al Qaeda and all the other networks in that region is a Middle Eastern problem since religion isn't always the agenda behind these terrorist groups. But because of backlash we aren't able to treat it and see it as a separate region problem. 

 

 

But do you have wear anything that identifies you as a Muslim? Because wouldn't it just be a non-issue if you were a Muslim of non-Middle Eastern descent who didn't wear anything that gave you away? 

 

 

Agnostic.

 

No choice is random.

 

They were random.

[dementia]

Islam is the religion of peace; that's the main idea of it, to create a balanced and harmonized life.

 

So, as long as a muslim takes islam as a guidance for having a peaceful and happy life, I won't separate myself from them, no matter what race they are, where they live, and etc.

 

But I do separate myself from muslims who use Islam as their shield to justify their violent actions.

[SAYAKA]

I'm from North Africa originally, and in my social sphere back when i used to live there, everyone drank, smoked weed, had sex etc.

I feel like my original country is just muslim in name tbh with the shit going on there. From my experience, poor people are more likely to be strict tbh (just my opinion of my country ok)

 

 

I do separate myself from muslims from other places, because i feel like most muslim countries are way too strict, i really couldn't live there at all, i already hate going back to my country in north africa because of this, when it's a pretty liberal country, i think I wouldn't step foot in any country in the middle east ever, i don't agree with the way they see islam and women and basically everything.

 

 

Turkey is cool though, i wanna visit.

 

Oh wait, did i go off topic

I think i did

Sorry

 

also if war occurs in their country. you always hear about Muslim countries who were once pretty liberal about everything but after a civil war they became more religious. My home country was like that as well. 

 

I agree with not wanting to live in a Muslim country (except for UAE for me). I do find that they are more restrictive especially on how a woman should conduct herself. I remember going back to my home country and i wore pants in our house and my relatives BITCHED at me for days because a girl shouldn't be wearing pants. They were lucky that my language skills were limited because i would have told her to mind her damn business 

[Deâ„“phina]

I don't mean to offend any Middle Eastern person but Arabs from the ME are really rude and obnoxious. They look down on anyone who isn't Arab or White and are really rude in general(Obviously not all but the vast majority, and I'm speaking from experInce so don't shove the old "we r not like dat tho!!1!1111" excuse down my throat). Arab people have a superiority complex or something, they even think they're superior when in reality most Muslims have a really bad name because of them. Anything the Middle Easterners do, all Muslims get blamed for it. I feel like their way of thinking is very different from that of other Muslims. People may not agree but the Muslims of India, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Malasia, Indonesia, Phillipines etc can be VERY open minded and accepting while it's not the case with Arab states. There have been documentaries made on the poor treatment of other Asians in Arab states such as the Khaleeji states and Lebanon. I also came across this post snd thought it would be appropriate for me to share it here:

 

I think Arab Supremacy is not talked about enough and it is something I feel strongly about. Racism in Arab countries against South Asians and East Asians, as well as black people is seen as common and expected. It is normal for staff to treat customers who aren’t white or Arab themselves poorly, and not to mention the horrific treatment of the domestic workers and construction workers, who are completely ignored and basically have very little rights once they start working for Arab families. Racism in Arab countries is swept under the rug and tolerated. Arabs adopt a mentality similar to white people and develop superiority complexes, this has a lot to do with their skin colour, as anti blackness is rampant in Arab culture as well. It is so common to see blatant racism from Arabs openly on twitter and there seems to be little to no backlash. Why are they excused from their racist views?

There are documentaries made about racism in Arab countries, Lebanon being infamous for it’s racism as well as the Khaleeji states (U.A.E, Qatar, Bahrain) whose ugly truths are hidden behind their attempts to constantly show off their country as luxurious resorts. White people visiting these countries (especially Dubai) will LOVE the way they are treated, because they come only second to Arabs and retain their white privilege. However, people with more melanin (especially Asians) will find their situations are not the same.

 

 

I myself am Kashmiri and have spent most years of my life living in the ME and I can't say I enjoyed it, I'm not going to imply that ALL Middle Easterners/Arabs are the same but the reality is that MOST of them are even though there's those that are more positive, accepting and not racist. And I'm sure if you were to ask any South Asian/SE Asian they'll tell you that they've had to face racism there even though there's a huge amount of Asians living in the ME with countries like USE having more than 53% South Asians.

Middle Eastern or white. As a North African person, I can tell you they act just as gross towards us (well, maybe a bit less cuz we run their countries ).

[kween♡slayna]

Middle Eastern or white. As a North African person, I can tell you they act just as gross towards us (well, maybe a bit less cuz we run their countries ).

Sorry sorry, I meant that. I hope I didn't cause any offence, I think I had a "brainfart" there and got confused lol, I'm going through the essay and I see I've made many mistakes, I'll just edit that.

[SAYAKA]

But do you have wear anything that identifies you as a Muslim? Because wouldn't it just be a non-issue if you were a Muslim of non-Middle Eastern descent who didn't wear anything that gave you away? 

 

 

you would think that but with the way media pushes this image of what a stereotypical Muslim looks like (with skin color, etc) and having a rather unique name im pretty much a dead giveaway that im most likely Muslim. And no i don't wear anything that identifies me as Muslim.