When will Winner fans and iKon fans stop being in so much denial?

[kxjay]

First off all, iKon has had the most lackluster debut in 2015. Yeah, some groups may have not even charted anywhere in the Top 100, because they are from nugu companies no one has literally ever heard of. While on the other hand, iKon is from YG, one of the top companies in Korea and one of the biggest shareholders in the Kpop industry. There is literally no excuse for how bad they did!

 

iKon were expected to do well...YG promoted them so much that you can't help but expect them to do well...but that's not what happened, they flopped badly!

Yeah, My Type did well because people were hyped for that release, which is comparable to a big Blockbuster movie release. Of course it's expected to do a lot better on its release week/month than any subsequent months following it. Not only was iKon's album negatively received by critics, but it was panned by majority of Kpop fans.

iKon fans wanna keep going on about how they had many MV releases and many promos, but shouldn't THAT actually help their songs to actually chart higher than they did? Rather than fall off the Top 20 the following day it's released? 

I mean, that hasn't stopped YG's previous acts of having their unpromoted b-sides stay on charts just as much as their title tracks before....so idk why fans even use that excuse anymore.

 

Which then leads me to Winner's situation.

YG literally killed all the hype Winner had by locking them up and rejecting the songs the member's make one after another. Many of their fans have branched out to different groups after constantly being let down by Satan himself (YG) with the long unnecessary hiatus. Which is the sole reason for why 'Pricked' is doing so horribly on the charts. But then the same excuse pop-up from Winner fans, how it's just a pre-release track. But then, exactly tell me why KSY's solo 'It Rains' did so well on the charts..?

 

I for one foresee the demise in YG...

If they don't change up their tactics, people and the general public will devalue their acts..

And how these "staggered" releases actually do nothing but harms their idols..

 

This is not even a bashing thread, as I'm simply just trying to understand why iKon fans and Winner fans seem to ALWAYS have an excuse for everything. Every little thing you disagree with or perhaps even criticisms you might have about why both YG's "supposedly" future bread winner boy groups are doing so horrendously with their music.

Especially with how YG has managed to brand themselves as a company who prides their acts with high quality music and have been known to kill in the digital aspects of things.

So what I hope to get out of this topic is to help enlighten some fans by actually detailing the reason why their biases are the sole reason for why YG's digital sales and net value have seem to declined since October of 2015..

 

 

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So what are y'all's thought on this matter?

Share and discuss..

 

 

EDIT: And before some other people posts their actual sales and deals or tours both iKOn and Winner have, let me ask you this...if they weren't with YG would they even have those connections? NO!

And their sales are still weak compared to YG's past releases

[bb4]

First off all, iKon has had the most lackluster debut in 2015.

 

 

op cancelled

 

 

[HugeBoi Minos Wife]

[kxjay]

op cancelled

Tell me WHO exactly (with all the amount of hype, with all the amount of promotions) was the group who debuted in 2015 was the biggest disappointment?

[Elly_]

[Catlixle]

tldr

 

 

 

- Winner have 7 CF 

- iKon have 4 CF

- WINNER get to make fanmeeting in olympic arena and will held concert soon

- IKON is going to make 2 days concert in olympic arena

- Winner and iKON is planning to appear on a bunch of variety shows

- iKon (1 album) = (125,752 albums sold + 3.1 million digital singles sold)

- Winner (1 album) = (124,919+ albums sold + 3.7 million digital singles sold)

 

lol i guess op is too lazy to google about the achievements that winner and ikon already made

 

 

[Baby Don't Cry]

That's like the tenth thread about the exact same topic...

[Mees Madds]

My god, I have not seen so much delusion in one single post in a long time 

[Fandomwar]

Thank you for your interest in iKON and Winner. Please keep giving attention to them. As their fan, that's all we can ask for. Thank you.

[bailarclava]

Stay pressed.

[KUMA-MON]

Go to the bashing thread sis

[Eggbin]

Stream Pricked! And also Dumb and Dumber!

[sudsy]

[kxjay]

 

tldr

 

 

 

- Winner have 7 CF 

- iKon have 4 CF

- WINNER get to make fanmeeting in olympic arena and will held concert soon

- IKON is going to make 2 days concert in olympic arena

- Winner and iKON is planning to appear on a bunch of variety shows

- iKon (1 album) = (125,752 albums sold + 3.1 million digital singles sold)

- Winner (1 album) = (124,919+ albums sold + 3.7 million digital singles sold)

 

lol i guess op is too lazy to google about the achievements that winner and ikon already made

 

 

 

of fucking course youd say that shit, did you even read what i wrote? of course you didnt, why should i even expect anything more from you?

[Catlixle]

of fucking course youd say that shit, did you even read what i wrote? of course you didnt, why should i even expect anything more from you?

 

but they are doing well.. so? 

[GirlCrush:Joy]

Tell me WHO exactly (with all the amount of hype, with all the amount of promotions) was the group who debuted in 2015 was the biggest disappointment?

Are you seriously saying for a rookie group they were overpromoted? Are you seriously saying they have been on the scene as iKON for only 4 months and what they achieved wasn't good enough?

[Taiga]

Ain't nobody got time to read all that but i am pretty sure that even if  you wrote it in a 'polite" way you  are still low key bashing both groups

[Catlixle]

Are you seriously saying for a rookie group they were overpromoted? Are you seriously saying they have been on the scene as iKON for only 4 months and what they achieved wasn't good enough?

 

javen will never feel satisfied.. 

[kxjay]

Are you seriously saying for a rookie group they were overpromoted? Are you seriously saying they have been on the scene as iKON for only 4 months and what they achieved wasn't good enough?

The entire group (sans Chanwoo) have been promoted since 2013....2 years before they actually made their debut...and in between that, have had multiple featurings and have had multiple variety apperances....

So yes

[cheese2]

hmm...you should bring up their sales numbers, i mean did ikon's album overall have only 300,000 downloads or 1,000 physicals or something.

[Fandomwar]

The entire group (sans Chanwoo) have been promoted since 2013....2 years before they actually made their debut...and in between that, have had multiple featurings and have had multiple variety apperances....

So yes

By that logic, SM rookies should slay their debut left and right.

[bb4]

Tell me WHO exactly (with all the amount of hype, with all the amount of promotions) was the group who debuted in 2015 was the biggest disappointment?

 

 

 

ikon = biggest disappointment

ikon = best selling boy group after bb

 

[fantasticBaby]

They did bad??? hhhmm okay~~

 

[Lycan]

thanks, keep the promo girl

 

 

Keep believing what you want to believe

and stop trying so hard to make your irrelevant opinion as fact

[PanShip]

The entire group (sans Chanwoo) have been promoted since 2013....2 years before they actually made their debut...and in between that, have had multiple featurings and have had multiple variety apperances....

So yes

lol.... 

does this mean... ikon and winner should have had twice the digital sales they had ..so ... 7 mil.. which is basically bigbang level..... 

 

why do people expect rookie groups to sell like the nations boygroup only because they are from yg