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Over the past few months I have seen a lot of people ignoring the important factors and simply saying male idols have the advantage over female idols overall and today I ran into another case of this.  Why do so many people insist that male idols have the advantage over female idols when its clear as day that most girl groups have more public recognition, higher digitals, CFs, variety show appearances and photoshoots,  Their are higher cases of individual members that reach popularity from girl groups and they usually become brand names in korea while most boy groups remain with decent to large fandoms but little public popularity and individual members usually remain largely unknown to the public.   I have only seen a select amount of male idols on the level of Suzy, IU, Yoona or Taeyeon,  Going strictly by my memory I only remember Nichkhun and in a complety different way GD.  Even now rising female idols such as Hani, Hyeri and Seolhyun have no male idol equivalent. 

 

Male groups have bigger fandoms most of the time but groups like SNSD, Apink, 2ne1 and Fx have proven girl groups can also posses big fandoms and recently girl groups such as Twice and RV are also walking this path so why do people still think male idols have the advantage.  The public prefers girl groups and supports them more while male groups are usually limited in their growth with few exceptions yet this myth seems to never die.

 

What do you think of this. 

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1. Because most of the time, the people saying this are girl group stans to put their unnirs in a ''better'' position.

2. As they don't live in Korea, these people are prone to lacking some k-public perspective. Most of their knowledge about Korea comes from kpop (the fandom aspect, what fandoms can affect, what fandoms can do and prevent). This is why they tend to be highly disillusioned about the kind of impact kpop tracks have on SK (because, again, their knowledge of SK comes from the fandom aspect of kpop).

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Agreed. 

 

I have to agree for most part. But I think Girl group are on harsher review from public. But once a member/group get past certain stage, they are well received from public.

And I think it's also like the girl groups seem like they're under harsher review from the public because simply *more* of the public actually gives a shit about them. so like the more popularity you have, the more haters that come with it. 

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Agreed. 

 

And I think it's also like the girl groups seem like they're under harsher review from the public because simply *more* of the public actually gives a shit about them. so like the more popularity you have, the more haters that come with it. 

I think it is much more than that. Korea being a patriarchal society, women generally are viewed harshly for little things. We have seen so many double standards. But once they reach certain  popularity or status, they are tend to be treated better than man.(SOMETIMES. Happens to minority)

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Most of the time girl groups popularity isn't the easiest to sustain due to Korea's sexist society. One fuck up and it could jepordize your career where as boy groups can get away with more shit and still have a fandom backing them up. Also it's harder for girl groups to make money off of touring and money in Japan.

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Agreed. 

 

And I think it's also like the girl groups seem like they're under harsher review from the public because simply *more* of the public actually gives a shit about them. so like the more popularity you have, the more haters that come with it. 

This is also my theory, the more hate they get the more popular they are, so articles filled with hate most of the time translates to more public recognition Seolhyun for example is popular but judging from articles people would say she is a media play flop meanwhile she is all over Korea same as IU who's career was declared over but she is still filling up concerts as for boy groups most are only getting praises on Pann which I guess causes people to think boy groups have are more popular or have the advantage.   

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hmm...i think the answer is pretty much similar with your previous thread about giving male group a chance.

the stereotype about male/female audience:

 

Male audience only listen or stan girl group

Female audience listen and stan both

 

so i think it's the reason why Girl Group get more public recognition, but it is not getting them easier too, for some factor maybe it's easier, like some user above mentioned, that Girl Group get more harsh reviews.

i don't think i saw Boy group get hate as many as girl group :derp:

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Totally agreeing with you. I can only think of a few boy groups with public recognition in SK. Boy groups usually have a big fandom whereas the public often supports girl groups more. Just look at how many CFs Aoa is racking for example. You have to be Bigbang who are a rare case of big fandom and public recognition. Even male solos don't get as much attention. I was pleasantly surprised to see Zico up there on the charts because a male idol catching the public's attention is a crazy feat. GD is too obvious so yeah. I can't agree more...

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Girl groups get more love from the general public, but boy groups have a lot more fans. I'd argue that the amount of fame they get is equal.

 

Both boy groups and girl groups get into scandals, but I've yet to see a male idol get into a scandal that's destroyed their careers whereas with girl groups such as KARA, T-ARA, and Girls Day simply being rude can put their careers in danger.

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Most of the time girl groups popularity isn't the easiest to sustain due to Korea's sexist society. One fuck up and it could jepordize your career where as boy groups can get away with more shit and still have a fandom backing them up. Also it's harder for girl groups to make money off of touring and money in Japan.

This is true, its harder to maintain but the key factor is that they even have that popularity in the first place.  Boy groups dont reach that level of public recognition because they are mostly fandom-reliant and outside of that most dont go any farther.  The reason one fuck up could jepordize most female idols career outside of a group like SNSD is because they depend on the public instead of a big fanbase, this is the double edged sword, they have more popularity but they dont have the fall back option that boy groups develop.  

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Male's are topping top 10 digital chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping most list of 100 physical chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping top 10 most viewed kpop music videos for youtube

 

idk what you're talking about saying GG have more digitals

 

Boy groups have desperate fangirls all over them... fangirls are like 70-80% of kpopers.. they have the advantage... they always did.

 

Only thing GG are getting more than BG is hate

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Girl groups get more love from the general public, but boy groups have a lot more fans. I'd argue that the amount of fame they get is equal.

 

Both boy groups and girl groups get into scandals, but I've yet to see a male idol get into a scandal that's destroyed their careers whereas with girl groups such as KARA, T-ARA, and Girls Day simply being rude can put their careers in danger.

This is very unlikely to happen because of the support from their loyal fanbases that male idols receive,  

 

The Nichkun scandal may not have destroyed his career but it definitely wounded his public popularity dramatically making him fall from being probably the top male idol at one point to where he is now,    The only females I have seen gain a supportive and large fanbase to the size of male groups, get into scandals and come out virtually clean are IU, SNSD, 2ne1 and Fx and the key factor to these is marketing.  

 

IU  has gotten into 2 scandals that are probably some of the biggest in kpop overall but she has managed to survive thanks to the removing off the idol tag and a focusing on music as her main selling point as for SNSD, Fx and 2ne1 YG and SM were quite smart to establish good sized fandoms for them early on and it looks to have paid off. 

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This is very unlikely to happen because of the support from their loyal fanbases that male idols receive,  

 

The Nichkun scandal may not have destroyed his career but it definitely wounded his public popularity dramatically making him fall from being probably the top male idol at one point to where he is now,    The only females I have seen gain a supportive and large fanbase to the size of male groups, get into scandals and come out virtually clean are IU, SNSD, 2ne1 and Fx and the key factor to these is marketing.  

 

IU  has gotten into 2 scandals that are probably some of the biggest in kpop overall but she has managed to survive thanks to the removing off the idol tag and a focusing on music as her main selling point as for SNSD, Fx and 2ne1 YG and SM were quite smart to establish good sized fandoms for them early on and it looks to have paid off. 

 

Yeah, but girl groups being able to get away with these things is still the exception, not the norm.

 

SM groups always have huge fanbases, and well 2NE1 is legendary.

 

I'd like to note though, that post scandal KARA and T-ARA's physicals went down as well as their digitals. And pre-scandal T-ARA was very successful, well onto the likes of SNSD and 2NE1. So I don't think it's that fanbases are just loyal no matter what.

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Yeah, but girl groups being able to get away with these things is still the exception, not the norm.

 

SM groups always have huge fanbases, and well 2NE1 is legendary.

 

I'd like to note though, that post scandal KARA and T-ARA's physicals went down as well as their digitals. And pre-scandal T-ARA was very successful, well onto the likes of SNSD and 2NE1. So I don't think it's that fanbases are just loyal no matter what.

Fanbases are indeed not loyal all the time but groups like T-ara in their height were doing digitals that were absolutely legendary numbers and their physicals were growing as well, they were headed down the path of becoming a top group but unfortunately the scandal happened. the thing about the scandal that is always been something that is quite strange to me is the way it was handled, it could have honestly been buried easily but the company and members did not do a proper job, going on twitter was a huge mistake and Hwayoung never really addressed the issue either a lot of fans left ship and the whole thing blew up/ 

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Male's are topping top 10 digital chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping most list of 100 physical chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping top 10 most viewed kpop music videos for youtube

 

idk what you're talking about saying GG have more digitals

 

Boy groups have desperate fangirls all over them... fangirls are like 70-80% of kpopers.. they have the advantage... they always did.

 

Only thing GG are getting more than BG is hate

If you check the charts over the years the only boy groups getting near and sometimes exceeding girl groups on digitals are BB, Exo recently, Ikon with My Type,  formerly B2ST and sometimes Shinee besides these no other boy groups do really well digitally.  

 

Those fangirls you speak off also listen and like girl groups not just boy groups as you can go check groups like SNSD and 2NE1 and even 4minute have a good amount of female supporters.  

 

The only thing most boy groups have over girl groups is fandom you totally ignored my point which was girl groups are more popular with the public which results in more CFs and other opportunities.  If you speak strictly of international fans then Its a different story, groups like EXO, BTS and BB are extremely popular but so are SNSD who arguably used to posses the biggest fandom of any group, groups like 2ne1 were also selling physical copies just as well as most boy groups while being digital monsters.

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Most of the time girl groups popularity isn't the easiest to sustain due to Korea's sexist society. One fuck up and it could jepordize your career where as boy groups can get away with more shit and still have a fandom backing them up. Also it's harder for girl groups to make money off of touring and money in Japan.

 

100% this

 

Girls groups don't enjoy ongoing success with their fandoms and physical sales the same way boy groups do.

 

Just look at Super Junior. Like the public could not care less but they're still topping album charts and selling out arenas.

 

The only GGs capable of doing that right now are SNSD and 2NE1. Not sure about KARA since they've effectively disbanded but they did get large concert attendance for a long time. 

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Male's are topping top 10 digital chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping most list of 100 physical chart on gaon yearly chart

Male idols are topping top 10 most viewed kpop music videos for youtube

 

idk what you're talking about saying GG have more digitals

 

Boy groups have desperate fangirls all over them... fangirls are like 70-80% of kpopers.. they have the advantage... they always did.

 

Only thing GG are getting more than BG is hate

 

If by male idols you mean only BB and EXO, then yes. Because no other male idol is in top 10, infact there's only 5 male groups in top 100 vs 12 female groups. So public actively listens to female groups more than male groups.

 

Excluding solos and colabs:
 
1. Big Bang 
2. Big Bang
4. Big Bang
7. EXO
29. Big Bang
33. Big Bang
37. iKon
40. EXO 
41. SHINee
42. Big Bang
43. Big Bang 
66. Big Bang
90. BTS
 
11. Miss A
12. Sistar 
19. AOA
24. EXID
27. Mamamoo
28. EXID
38. GFriend
44. SNSD
46. Red Velvet
52. APink
59. SNSD
69. APink
75. Girl's Day 
77. Red Velvet
79. Wonder Girls
89. AOA
94. 4Minute
95. GFriend
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If you check the charts over the years the only boy groups getting near and sometimes exceeding girl groups on digitals are BB, Exo recently, Ikon with My Type,  formerly B2ST and sometimes Shinee besides these no other boy groups do really well digitally.  

 

Those fangirls you speak off also listen and like girl groups not just boy groups as you can go check groups like SNSD and 2NE1 and even 4minute have a good amount of female supporters.  

 

The only thing most boy groups have over girl groups is fandom you totally ignored my point which was girl groups are more popular with the public which results in more CFs and other opportunities.  If you speak strictly of international fans then Its a different story, groups like EXO, BTS and BB are extremely popular but so are SNSD who arguably used to posses the biggest fandom of any group, groups like 2ne1 were also selling physical copies just as well as most boy groups while being digital monsters.

 

I only agree with CF's since most of the time CF's are endorsed by girls.

as for public recognition they were just as many boy groups as girl groups that got popular with the public.

 

Female idols are always the target of hate.. and if they make a little mistake Knetizens(which also consists of mostly girls) will eat them up... but when it's about a male idol... fan gorilas do all to cover them and everyone's always like "oppa didn't mean it"

 

as for overall point... take an example of seventeen a rookie boy group that almost did nothing in term of struggling.. they just looked handsome and got a HECK of a fandom already? selling 100k outselling most veteran male groups and after that people easily get into them which will eventually result in public notice

 

it's a lot easier for male groups in the end

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It's pretty fair if you consider the fact that while female items can shoot to fame quicker there are muccccccccccccccch higher standards placed on them for things like looks and behavior

Like just look at dating scandals females always get the short end of the stick when they're revealed than the men do.

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I only agree with CF's since most of the time CF's are endorsed by girls.

as for public recognition they were just as many boy groups as girl groups that got popular with the public.

 

Female idols are always the target of hate.. and if they make a little mistake Knetizens(which also consists of mostly girls) will eat them up... but when it's about a male idol... fan gorilas do all to cover them and everyone's always like "oppa didn't mean it"

 

as for overall point... take an example of seventeen a rookie boy group that almost did nothing in term of struggling.. they just looked handsome and got a HECK of a fandom already? selling 100k outselling most veteran male groups and after that people easily get into them which will eventually result in public notice

 

it's a lot easier for male groups in the end

How many male idols right now are as popular as  female idols I can only think of a few, girl groups do get more hate I never denied that but that hate is also attention.  I will list an example of female groups and their most popular members with the public, these are groups that are well known more then most boy groups and posses members who are also more well known then most male idols.

 

SNSD - Yoona and Taeyeon 

AOA - Seolhyun, Choa and Jimin 

Apink - Eunji and Naeun 

SIstar - All of them to varying degrees 

GsD - All of them to varying degrees 

4minute - Hyuna 

EXID- Hani and even Solji 

Fx - Krystal and formerly Sulli 

Also other female idols like Suzy and IU are popular themselves and other female idols who were on this level were Hara and Jiyeon also Sohee

 

Besides a few amount of male idols none of them are on the level of the ones above and these are the ones who just came to my head now there are probably more that I cant think of at the moment. As for Seventeen they have great physical but they cant even crack the top 100 on melon so far while rookie girl groups like Twice and Gfriend are doing extremely well on the charts even Lovelyz has charted better and none of the members of Seventeen have as much popularity as Tzuyu or Yerin from their respective groups.  

 

It's pretty fair if you consider the fact that while female items can shoot to fame quicker there are muccccccccccccccch higher standards placed on them for things like looks and behavior

Like just look at dating scandals females always get the short end of the stick when they're revealed than the men do.

 My point is that they are indeed more popular that was all not that they dont have things to go through as well. 

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