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[Aahlia]

I guess I'm not the only one who's had trouble sleeping, lol.

Gosh, I've been such a mess these past few days, this is mentally and emotionally exhausting. I just want know the truth regardless of whose side it favors.

 

 

 

Same, I was looking at updates on my phone and then it suddenly died. I took at as a sign to lay off the updates and get some much needed rest.

You are not the only one. I have trouble sleeping and eating. Today I ended up leaving work early after I read about the recent developments in the case. I almost teared up.

 

And I just ended like a 3.5 hour hard workout session and even that can't help me feel any better. I am afraid to go to sleep because every day I am waking to a nightmare. I am so lost...I don't even know what to think and who to believe. I love Yoochun so much and this disappointed me so much. I am hurt and sad and angry and if I didn't have a punching bag to take my anger out on...I would have punched someone. I am even making mistakes at work...this is not okay. I shouldn't be this bloody affected...but I am.

[Aahlia]

I can so understand you T-T

Yoochun isn't my first bias (Jaejoong is). He is like in same place of Yunho/Changmin/Junsu (so 2).

I didn't know that he cared so much about DB5K. I'm really stress. 

But, I'm still better than 13...

Eurgh... Even if I know that police have only til june 20 to talk about 1 case, I'm stress. And we have to wait for second after. I don't have break T-T

I'm 'feed' myself of TVXQ (duo), Yunho (military), Jaejoong (solo stuff) and others videos to destress. And I avoid NB and others site. I only follow new updates on twitter of paulisteu and yunjaery and wait. He came here only to PM with some people or read DB5K and JYJ thread.

 

I am just trying be unbiased and I have one thread at akp that I am trying to collect all the confirmed facts at and all the news that's coming in. I am going to just keep to that. I am disconnecting myself from everywhere else...except twitter of course because I can't survive this without Ele and Nicky.

[Aahlia]

I do a neutral thread about this case in french community too. So I translate all claim of girls, police and C-Jes.

It's really hard to me. And when I saw that people drag Jaejoong and Junsu in (mostly Jae because he is still my UB), my heart really break. 

I knew that Jaejoong wasn't really love in Korea but still T-T

I want support. A hug :(

I trying to listen Jaejoong voice (solo and all) to relax myself but it's still hurt so much. I want just leave this case some days and comeback when it'll be end but I have responsabilty towards french community now that many people wait my updates. 

It's fucking hard to be a DB5K fan. I thought be strong because I'm in fandom since 2008 and we lived many things but... 

Let's just end this fuck. Arrest Yoochun or clear him!! Why is it so long? 

 

I am a hypocrite lol. I am cursing those people for dragging Jae's ass but in reality, I have that fear deep in my heart. YC and JJ are known to be drinking buddies...so if YC is convicted, I will have a lot of questions I need answered. I don't think my love for JJ will be the same...that is if YC's conviction doesn't already break me enough to retire from kpop completely.

 

I am distracting myself with my Thai loves for now. 

[Aahlia]

Just before I leave for work...I just want to say. What. The. Fuck.

It keeps getting worse.

The third accusation though...I am doubtful of it a little. He brought the girl home?? With his mom and brother there?? They still live together...I don't know honestly. But well maybe some men are fine with bringing a casual sex partner to the family home...

[Aahlia]

So what I am reading is...the initial date for 4th victim was Feb 13th but Yoochun left for a fan meeting in China about five hours before the alleged date/time. The date being reported now is Feb 22nd. I am not sure if the victim changed the date in her claim or the first one reported was an error on the reporters part.

[Aahlia]

I am taking a hiatus from the forums. I am not sure if I will return or not...so if I am not back once Yoochun's thing is dealt with. Feel completely free to take the OP of this thread if you want to. 

 

If anyone wants to keep in contact x

 

Goodluck to all parties involved!

Edited June 17, 2016 by zsadist

[Aahlia]

I'm just fucking sad now. Like, I try to 'neutral' in this matter because DB5K are the one who took me out of my depression and help me when I was suicidal. But, people can't understand that even if they don't know us, they helped some of us and they are like a family far away that you can only see some time. And some people just labeled me as a 'supporter' of a possible rapist without know me or know what I lived (like, I'll the FIRST person to leave him and I'm not even sure if I'll stay in Kpop world because my little sister of 14 almost be raped by a old fucking **** at 9 and she know that I love JYJ/DBSK (even if she don't really care about Kpop and all). I'm feeling so lost about all this. 

Fuck... Sorry If it's hard to read me (I'm crying).

 

Yoochun really don't know what he do... !!!!!!!!!!!! 

Sorry, I'll just sleep.

 

Edit: Yes, Jae is my bias. And REALLY, I hope he isn't and will not be involved in a case like this or I think I'll just die here. 

Like... when people who helped you kill you after.

 

I wanted to say this to you.

 

Don't take their words to heart...there are a lot of us who are just the same as you. Neutral but in no way willing to support a rapist. I personally as a rational human being am not comfortable with withdrawing support without knowing for a fact that he is a rapist. I would never ever forgive myself if I did that and he turned out to be an innocent. 

 

Seriously, loads of hugs for you!! I wish I could make you feel better. 

 

Let's just take it one day at a time and try to ignore all the bs and concentrate on the police reports. 

 

 

<3

[Aahlia]

Well C-Jes just claimed that they have evidence of Yoochun's innocence. Let's see what that is...I really hope they don't bring the victims' profession and/or character into this because that will be plain distasteful. I am still waiting on some concrete evidence rather than all the speculations media is throwing at us. Even police is just exploring all possibilities right now and not really confirming anything. However, if it's true that one victim has the therapy records and everything...then I think Yoochun might really be guilty. No one would go to such lengths to frame someone; that's just wishful thinking. Still..let's see what tomorrow brings us.

[Aahlia]

 

Guys, are you interrested to change Yunjae badge?

I can try to be OP. For now, Aearom is interrested. I need 4 more people to do a request.

 

Btw, it would be fine to create a Jaesu badge. Since the time ><

The deadline is july 25th.

 

Is it good if we change DB5K badge too?

 

 

keep the DB5K badge. Not a YJ shipper but if no one signs up...I will help. JaeSu badge is a big ass YES!!

[Aahlia]

some of us are planning to attend a JJ concert in Japan next year!! Saki, Me and Nicky...I hope we all actually can. Since my cousin lives in japan now, I won't even have to spent money for hotel. I really hope this works out!!

[Aahlia]

some of us are planning to attend a JJ concert in Japan next year!! Saki, Me and Nicky...I hope we all actually can. Since my cousin lives in japan now, I won't even have to spent money for hotel. I really hope this works out!!

[Aahlia]

good luck with it. I believe larger Japanese concerts are usually lottery based so maybe your cousin can help you with ticketing as well

 

Nicky has contacts. I think she will be in charge of tickets. This isn't her first time attending.

[Aahlia]

cool, I haven't attended a Japanese concert yet (besides western ones/punk bands who don't play arenas) but I'm anticipating the discharge era, I'll definitely be first in line come the day.

 

I want to compare it to the Korean concert I attended, out of curiosity. I couldn't buy those tickets myself (my friend spoke to Korean fans and helped me find them) but I'm confident I could manage to get tickets on my own here, especially as I'm surrounded by convenience stores lol

 

tbh I just hope they come to damn Toronto one day.

 

I know it will be a hassle to attend the concert in Japan. My brother works long ass hours and won't probably have time to take me too and fro from the concert location (I hate taking any form of public transport in foreign countries thanks to bad experiences)..in any case, it will be a heck of an experience.

[Aahlia]

in which city are you planning to attend a concert? Japanese trains are honestly great, they're so clean, safe and easy and outside of peak hours they're not crowded at all despite common impressions of them haha (I've only had to do the squeezing on thing like... twice ever). that goes for both the underground and above-ground systems. the only challenge is being absolutely sure of your route, but if you plan ahead it's no problem. all the stations have signage in English and the ticket machines have English options as well.

 

if you have any wonderings about getting around in Japan feel free to hmu because it's basically all I spend my time doing now, lol. actually I've been intending to write some OH blog posts about things in Japan of interest to hallyu/jpop fans once I'm settled properly here, so hopefully they'll be useful for people coming to visit in future...

 

not sure. My brother lives in Tokyo and I have family some where near Osaka too so either or is fine. I think my brother might arrange transport for me. He is a total spoiler but I am just really wary of taking public transport in foreign cities. Once I got lost really bad in New York...since then I have decided I will rather spend on taxis than risking getting lost ever again!

[Aahlia]

lmao Teru, I have no beef with you (well I think I don't) but even I think you dislike JaeJoong a lot. I did use to follow your twitter and though I never said anything...your twitter feed solidified my belief. I don't really care though...there are those who will love JaeJoong and those who will hate him. 

 

That said, if someone is being objective in their opinion...I don't think one should hold their bias against them. JaeJoong is not the best vocalist in SM. But that contest was just a popularity contest (or which fandom is relentless when it comes to voting contest) and imo it should be treated as such and nothing more. Those who like to listen to him and love it...vote for him and he won. That's about it.

Edited October 23, 2016 by zsadist

[Aahlia]

lol, I honestly don't though. certainly, his music isn't to my taste, but as a person? he's harmless. it's not as if he's committed any crime or said or done anything I thought was an unforgivable slight against anyone. there are plenty of idols who sit a lot lower in terms of my personal respect for them. it's just an unfortunate majority of his loudest fans that get on my nerves and make me feel like being shady sometimes. can you ever say you haven't felt the same about any other group/artist when their fans have been especially irritating?

 

I won't pretend I can't be shady and obnoxious, I definitely can. but I didn't realise that making jokes and harmless remarks on your personal account dooms to you being stalked by people and harassed wherever you go forever, which is apparently what's been happening to me. even now I can't just make a mundane post (I even try to be extra nice so that people can see I'm not trying to be a dick, but I guess it doesn't work) in a thread barely related to him without people gossiping about me and negging me and shit talking me in public and private. and tbh, that itself is even fine, but I can't pretend it doesn't hurt when I see it coming from people I thought were my friends and who claimed to be above catching feelings over fandom. (not directed at you, but we have some former mutuals who are guilty of this tbh.)

 

I guess I just can't relate to being so dedicated to an idol I'd feel compelled to cut off friendships due to them, because kpop just isn't that big of a deal to me. I like talking to people whether we have the same taste or not. yeah I get annoyed when I see people mocking or bashing Yunho & Changmin, and I might comment on it or retaliate, but to the point where I follow people around and gossip about them and cut them off for not having the same opinions as me about them? man, I don't have the energy for that. unless people are being particularly nasty, I live and let live because their opinions really make no difference to me or how I feel about the artists I like and they're allowed to feel however they want as well.

 

hatred for an idol is too strong. I don't hate anyone, or even really strongly dislike anyone. I like Jaejoong better than plenty of other idols out there and I think it should be obvious that if I really had some sinister ulterior motive against him I'd take the time to say worse things than "he's good at drawing" or "he's a good vocalist."

 

the poll is just another internet poll, ofc it's not a big deal. but the thread just goes to show that you can't say "I think he's good but not the best" without fans jumping down your throat about it because you're a "salty Homin fan with talentless favs." but hey, I guess I deserve it, for being a Homin fan and all.

 

I only reserve those negative feelings for celebs who have committed serious crimes, like KHJ. now there's an idol who's deserving of everything he gets and more...

 

eta: to add, I never thought we had beef either, in case you think I have anything against you. I don't at all! I won't force someone to be friends with me if they don't want to.

 

honestly, I have no celebs I hate...especially because of their fans. I will agree I am indifferent to Yunho but it's more because I can't connect with him on anything rather than his fans. Same with KHJ, his actions finished any love I had for him but I don't bother with his fans either.

 

As far as friendships go...apart from Ele and Lina, I don't think I have any friends that are JaeJoong fans. I never let music tastes dictate my friendships but I can't stand fandom drama, shadiness and all that stuff. I rather separate myself from it. I have been there, done that and I have no wish to go back tbh. 

 

I don't know lol...I sometimes don't remember my 'active' forum years. I know there were instances where we didn't agree but yeah I got no issues with you. We aren't friends but we ain't enemies either...

Edited October 24, 2016 by perawats

[Aahlia]

that makes sense imo. certainly no one is obliged to love or even like anyone, so I don't get the pressure in fandom to constantly be as complimentary as possible. so long as you're not being an abusive asshole, what's the big deal if someone doesn't really like an idol or likes someone else better? I for one love TVXQ but I have no problem criticising their music or management or appearance or etc... or affectionately making fun of them because that's part of the enjoyment of fandom for me. 

 

I thought I was avoiding it too and I certainly don't try to seek it out, but it seems to have its way of finding me. even just this week I've been getting harassed by a kpop fan simply for living in Japan, having a Japanese boyfriend, etc... all because someone just has a bizarre personal grudge against me because we disagreed about something on this forum. I don't understand the fixation really. who am I to them but a stranger online?

 

to me, discussing kpop stuff isn't personal. it's fandom and it exists to be talked about. if everyone agreed on everything all of the time, what would there be left to say? just because we disagree about something in fandom doesn't mean we can't be friends on a personal level, or at least be civil to each other. once you start taking kpop personally I think you're in too deep and need to take a step back.

 

tbh I don't think you've ever been involved in anything that affected me in this way so I respect you for that. keeping your distance is definitely the safest option, though imo it's a pity I even have to say that there's a need to be "safe" in a fandom where any discussion should be fine and nobody should feel a need to constantly tiptoe around people who are supposed to be their friends...

 

unfortunately I tend to be naive and overly trusting of people and so I find myself in trouble because I assume friends of mine aren't quietly judging me for saying something I've presumed to be innocuous. I just like to talk to everyone and often it's too late that I realise they're not talking to me because they just want to chat or be friends.

 

lmao I have never found me agreeing with the fandom. Most jaeharem regard me as a jaejoong hater. I have just never understood the whole concept of fandom...sure it's fun to talk about music but there's only so much things about music that I can talk about. I can't fault kpop though. It has brought me some awesome friends...whether they are a jaejoong fan or not is secondary. 

 

As far as personal insults go, I overlook them. I have never been affected by what people say to me online and I never will be. Enjoy life and fuck the haters...

 

[Aahlia]

well if even you can be deemed a Jaejoong hater I guess there's no hope for me, lol...

 

I'm grateful that kpop has brought me some great friends as well, though I have to say it's the first fandom in my 20 years of being a major nerd online that I've encountered so much drama, especially personally directed at me. I'm not sure what it is about it that gets people in such a tizzy.

 

I don't mind it so much but like I said, when it's friends rather than randos it can be hurtful and it is difficult to avoid. I don't even know what I've done to earn the ire of so many people around here except be myself and try to partake in discussions civilly and honestly, but what's the solution to that - not be myself? not say what I really think (nicely ofc)? never say anything? I don't think so...

 

regarding my current fan, I also think attacking my SO is crossing a line somewhat. I actually ignored it for months because it was petty and silly and not worth a response, but she seems so desperate for my attention she'll even stoop to such lengths as using my boyfriend's race as a tool for her hatred against me and I think that's taking it too far. it's very bizarre. she's been criticising my every move for actual months... and why? my life really isn't that interesting.

 

it doesn't upset me beyond hoping that she can let go of having such negativity in her life, because that much constant bad juju is no good for anyone, especially not herself. I get that the grass is always greener and all, but harassing strangers online brings nobody any happiness.

 

I realise you prob have no clue what I'm on about so I'm just rambling now, but eh, I just felt like saying it somewhere. you came under her judgmental gaze once before as well, quite recently, as you may recall, haha.

 

that girl is a hypocrite. I think I went to her twitter once and all her tweets were about degrading other people. I honestly pity her. She must live a sad life if the only thing she can do is spread hate. Ignore her.

 

Love is something beautiful and it should be celebrated no matter what. You and your boyfriend are cute as fuck together.

[Aahlia]

thanks dude. like I said I have been, but I was surprised to see she was -still- harping on about me after all this time (when was the last time we even interacted?). I guess my move sent her into overdrive. I can only think it's caused by jealousy bc I'm not sure how me emigrating affects anybody but myself.

 

in all honesty, as fun as it can be to see her struggling to find things to hold against me (I'm homophobic, anti-feminist, Islamophobic, racist because I live in Japan with my Japanese bf, and I even got kicked out of Bigeast apparently - news to me) I really do feel bad for her. I noticed that all she seems to do is belittle and complain about other people, and while we all bitch about things sometimes, it's not healthy to have such obsessive disdain for absolute strangers, let alone over a disagreement over an idol.

 

all it really says is that she must have some deep insecurities to be constantly pointing the finger at others, and I find that sad.

 

ofc there'll always be people we innately dislike, and nobody can be bestest pals with everyone so there's no point in trying to be universally likeable, but fandom really isn't that serious. it's such a pity to be so full of displaced anger and negativity that you preemptively ruin what could be some really great and formative relationships.

 

If ever someone came close to tempting my inner bitch, it was her. 

 

 

 

edit: it's so sad since I wanna be friends with an Indian jaejoong stan (talking in hindi like I see people talk in their native language about kpop...I want that!!). someone who likes bollywood and kpop...aargh why did she have to be like this?? We could have been a dynamic duo in an very alternate universe!!

Edited October 24, 2016 by perawats

[Aahlia]

Hey guys long time no see, i missed ya ><

Im sad to see how dead thing thread have become though D:

 

 

But really, hi everyone :')

 

 

don't worry people will be back when the boys will come back from army.

 

*hugs*

[Aahlia]

I cant wait  *hugs*

 

Like... how... lol, off all insult in the world they could use, jaejoong hater is the one they pick?    thats a bit hilarious to me because youre obviously a stan  

 

 

because lol I actually recognise faults and criticise him where he deserves it. And I choose to be more realistic about his talents. idk...most harems have like zero tolerance for that. 

 

I think one jumped on me because I said that JaeJoong isn't like handsome to me cause his looks are so not my type but his personality endeared him to me and I look at his face now and I melt - This somehow made me a hater because I said JaeJoong isn't handsome. give. me. a. break. 

Edited October 27, 2016 by perawats

[Aahlia]

those OT5 videos...the emoshinki in me cried a lot.

[Aahlia]

JaeJoong looks hot as hell in the recent photos. Gorgeous! I can't fucking get over him.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 9, 2017 by kurinn

[Aahlia]

I wonder how are fans reacting to this whole ordeal with Yoochun. His scandal, his sudden wedding, the backlash from the public...I was a really close to some chunsas back in the day. I wonder how did they react to this stuff...

 

I am not sure what I am feeling.

 

I am happy that he is getting married, sad that he is retiring and confused about the whole timeline of their love life/scandal etc.

 

Basically I don't know what I am feeling.

[Aahlia]

But the whole thing about Yoochun retiring is a 'rumor' no?

Still, I think he should take a break for a while. Fans and him through a lot lately.

For me, Yoochun wasn't my first bias (in fact he always be my last of TVXQ) but I was really shock and shaken by this story and really involved. I just hope he'll be happy and that he'll act in a mature way now. For accusations, I'll trust police and said it was a one night stand for the first girl and other jump on this situation to said bullshits (I hope police will catch these 2 girls still running)

 

For a DB5K reunion... I still have hope but... really, it'll be harder than it was already. And say it happens just when Yunjae was in good term and everyone in DB5K was ready to go to next page of all these shits --' You talk about a timing for a fucking scandal...

 

I don't think it's a rumour.